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02-26-2013, 09:03 PM
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Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
van Riemsdyk-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-Grabovski-Kulemin
Mclaren-McClement-Orr
Brown-Steckel

MacArthur traded somewhere or rotating in and out of the lineup.

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02-26-2013, 09:15 PM
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Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
van Riemsdyk-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-Grabovski-Kulemin
Mclaren-McClement-Orr
Brown-Steckel

MacArthur traded somewhere or rotating in and out of the lineup.
Nearly with you.

Trade JVR and Lupul.

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin - really, really want to see this line. Think it could be great

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02-26-2013, 09:18 PM
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Isn't frattin a lock to play LW?

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02-26-2013, 09:21 PM
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Lupul slots back with Kessel IMO, Jvr on a line with Kadri and one of Kulemin/Frattin is not going to reduce JvR's impact to the game.

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02-26-2013, 10:02 PM
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Lupul slots back with Kessel IMO, Jvr on a line with Kadri and one of Kulemin/Frattin is not going to reduce JvR's impact to the game.
Agreed. It would be nice to have someone feed Kessel for a change. JVR is great and all, but he is no Lupul...yet.

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02-26-2013, 10:10 PM
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Lupul and Kessel will definitely go back together. Another guy who can really handle the puck at speed and make plays on Kessel's line will give Phil more room to work with.

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02-26-2013, 10:12 PM
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The only thing I'm worried about for Lupul's return is that he won't be up to speed for a few games. He'll take him time to pick up again.

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02-26-2013, 10:22 PM
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The only thing I'm worried about for Lupul's return is that he won't be up to speed for a few games. He'll take him time to pick up again.
That is why JVR will stay on the first line and Lupul will be on Kadris wing! JVR and Kessel have some magic going on right now why break it up for what used to be magic? Maybe Lupul and Kessel gel again but there is no guarantee that happens. Our first line is playing very well right now.

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin
Kulemin-Grabo-Komarov

Damn Macarthur on the 4th line? Are the Leafs a top 5 team in the league in regards to winger depth? We're up there for sure!!!!

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02-26-2013, 10:24 PM
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Projecting a lineup as totally healthy isn't realistic... by the time Lupul comes back, probability dictates that somebody else will be hurt.

That being said... in a hopeful world, I don't see sufficient reason to break up Kessel/JvR, I just don't think Lupul/Kessel can have the same success offensively that they did last year under RW.

To me, the ideal lines look something like this:
JvR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-Grabovski-Kulemin
MacArthur-McClement-Orr/McLaren

To me, Kadri's biggest problem this year (beyond his atrocious faceoff ability), is that he hasn't always been given the opportunity to play with a guy who can put the puck in the net. Mac has struggled, and Kadri has played much better when Frattin's in the lineup. I think if you give Kadri a set of wingers like Lupul/Frattin, they could quite easily be one of the most dangerous secondary lines in the league.

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02-26-2013, 10:29 PM
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I don't get why people continually line stack, this isn't a video game. Having 3 lines able to score is better than 2.

I've stated it before but a line-up of:

JVR/Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
JVR/Lupul-Grabo-Kulemin
Frattin-Kadri-Komarov
Orr-McClement-McClaren

All have a winger that can score(not counting the 4th), a winger that provides physicality and are defensively responsible that will provide a net pressence and all centers have shown to be good 2-way players.

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02-26-2013, 10:33 PM
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I don't get why people continually line stack, this isn't a video game. Having 3 lines able to score is better than 2.

I've stated it before but a line-up of:

JVR/Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
JVR/Lupul-Grabo-Kulemin
Frattin-Kadri-Komarov
Orr-McClement-McClaren

All have a winger that can score(not counting the 4th), a winger that provides physicality and are defensively responsible that will provide a net pressence and all centers have shown to be good 2-way players.
Either of JvR/Lupul are going to be wasted on a Grabovski checking line. By going up against the opposition's best, they just don't get the quantity of chances to support having a 3rd offensively gifted player on that line. We're better off getting that talent on a line which can take advantage of it. In terms of Komarov, he's probably a guy you want on the ice against the other team's best.

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02-26-2013, 10:34 PM
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I don't get why people continually line stack, this isn't a video game. Having 3 lines able to score is better than 2.

I've stated it before but a line-up of:

JVR/Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
JVR/Lupul-Grabo-Kulemin
Frattin-Kadri-Komarov
Orr-McClement-McClaren

All have a winger that can score(not counting the 4th), a winger that provides physicality and are defensively responsible that will provide a net pressence and all centers have shown to be good 2-way players.
I actually like this line up a lot.

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02-26-2013, 10:41 PM
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Either of JvR/Lupul are going to be wasted on a Grabovski checking line. By going up against the opposition's best, they just don't get the quantity of chances to support having a 3rd offensively gifted player on that line. We're better off getting that talent on a line which can take advantage of it. In terms of Komarov, he's probably a guy you want on the ice against the other team's best.
JVR was placed on that line earlier in the year and started to catch fire playing there.

Edit: I'm not flat out disagreeing with you, just something that could be tried. Having an offensively gifted player like a Lupul or JVR who also have a good cylce game could make it easier to gain the offensive zone and sustain offensive pressure.

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02-26-2013, 11:32 PM
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gotta put lupul and kessel back together. they were one of the best lines in hockey last year.

JVR-Kadri-Frattin would be a sweet KID line, with two guys with great speed, size, and shots on the wings of our best playmaker.

The Mac-Grabo-Kuly line is a no-brainer to reunite. A fantastic two-way 3rd line that would be a 2nd line on most teams.

And then McClem and Komarov together on the 4th line and on the PK gives us 3rd-line quality checkers playing in reserve on the bottom line. Stick Orr on there to fight.


no-brainer lineup, IMO.


Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Kadri - Frattin
Mac - Grabo - Kuly
Komo - McClem - Orr

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02-26-2013, 11:41 PM
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By the time Lups gets back I highly doubt the Leafs are FULLY healthy. Good problem to have if it happens though.

If JVR is scoring like he has been in 3 weeks when Lups comes back then I'm sure Carlyle won't mess with that chemistry. If he slows down, easy decision...

JVR on a line with Kadri and Frattin would have been a nightmare defensively before the season started but they would look damn good together now...

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02-27-2013, 02:08 AM
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We need Lupul back


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02-27-2013, 03:15 AM
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Curious to see what Carlyle will do with his lines when Lupul returns.
I'd like to see something like this

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
Komarov - Grabovski - Kulemin (2a/checking line)
vanRiemsdyk - Kadri - Frattin (2b scoring)
McClaren - McClement - Orr

Bye bye MacArthur?
What? No. Why get rid of MacArthur but keep McLaren in?

JVR/Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
JVR/Lupul-Grabovski-Kulemin
MacArthur-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-McClemment- Orr

top line aint broke, don't fix
2nd line, grabo and Kule are playing good defense and have been scoring of late, swapping Lupul/JVR for McClemment or Komarov will only improve that. If all else fails re-unite Mac with them.
3rd line was clicking, MacArthur and Kadri seem good together.
Nasty ass 4th line to play against with Komarov being a pesky hitter, Orr being a bruiser who can take on anyone, and McClemment being a good 4th line center who can be reliable.

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02-27-2013, 03:34 AM
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its so sick to have 3 legit NHL lines for the first time in a long time. their average age must be pretty low too!

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02-27-2013, 05:10 AM
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In a perfect world I'd like to see:


Phil Kessel - Tyler Bozak - Joffrey Lupul
Matt Frattin - Nazem Kadri - James Van-riemsdyk
Clarke MacArthur - Joe Colborne - Nikolai Kulemin
Frazer Mclaren - Jay McClement - Leo Komarov

Dion Phaneuf - Korbinian Holzer
Michael Kostka - Jake Gardiner
Mark Fraser - Cody Franson

James Reimer
Ben Scrivens


Compliance Buyout:
Mike Komisarek

Trade:
Mikhail Grabovski
Mike Brown

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02-27-2013, 05:51 AM
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its so sick to have 3 legit NHL lines for the first time in a long time. their average age must be pretty low too!
Orr and Steckel are the old timers of the forward group at the ripe old age of 30

Average age on the team is 26.7 which I believe makes the Leafs, yet again, one of youngest teams in the league. That doesn't even include a guy like Gardiner either who'd obviously drop the average even more.

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02-27-2013, 05:55 AM
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In a perfect world I'd like to see:


Phil Kessel - Tyler Bozak - Joffrey Lupul
Matt Frattin - Nazem Kadri - James Van-riemsdyk
Clarke MacArthur - Joe Colborne - Nikolai Kulemin
Frazer Mclaren - Jay McClement - Leo Komarov

Dion Phaneuf - Korbinian Holzer
Michael Kostka - Jake Gardiner
Mark Fraser - Cody Franson

James Reimer
Ben Scrivens


Compliance Buyout:
Mike Komisarek

Trade:
Mikhail Grabovski
Mike Brown
I'd like to see Colborne up here too but he's just not ready yet. I think he may need another year under Eakins. The point production just isn't there yet. The guy should be a PPG in the AHL, or close to it, at this point.

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02-27-2013, 06:24 AM
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Most of these lineups predict a healthy team moving forward. Injuries happen and they will happen. You need to be prepared for injuries.

If you look at the teams that win the cup or advance in the playoffs -- they have depth. Detroit used to have a 4th line of Draper, Maltby, & McCarthy.

When Vancouver went to the finals they had 8 NHL dmen and tough decisions every night. But even that wasn't enough once they reached the finals and injuries and suspensions piled up.

L.A. had a serious amount of depth last year.

Looking back at Chicago when they won they had tons of depth.

While it seems like a great idea to send McArthur and JML packing for a 2nd round pick -- it's important to remember you have about a 3% chance of getting a significant player out of the second round. If you are lucky you'll get another McArthur.

This team needs to develop an identity and winning attitude. Lupul, Frattin, Orr & Reimer are all injured and this team has kept winning. That's important. More than they need a 2nd round pick -- they need to change the psyche around this franchise.

This team might not have a number one center but having depth will help. I don't think you destroy that for a 2nd round pick in the hopes that you'll be 100% healthy the rest of the way. Players play better when they are being pushed. I'm going to go out on a limb and say JML and Komi will play real hard next time they are in the lineup. We probably won't see Tim Connolly float again (this year) at least until he signs his next contract. This is a big advantage for a coach.

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02-27-2013, 07:04 AM
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Who on the current roster can be sent down without having to clear waivers? Is it just Hozler?

While its pretty easy to trade players for an acceptable return here on the boards, it's not always quite so easy in the actual NHL.

That said, when Lupul and Frattin return, two players have to come off the 23 man roster. (Let's assume no long term injuries)

So who are the two players you would risk waiving or basically trading away for nothing?

For me, it would be Steckel and Brown.

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02-27-2013, 07:45 AM
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Lupul/JVR-O'Reilly-Kessel
JVR/Lupul-Grabo-Kulemin
Komarov-Kadri-Frattin
McLaren-McClement-Orr
Steckel

Yup, I'm saying that we will trade for O'Reilly before Lupul comes back.

I'm also saying that Macarthur and Bozak will be gone too.

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02-27-2013, 07:56 AM
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I'd like to see Colborne up here too but he's just not ready yet. I think he may need another year under Eakins. The point production just isn't there yet. The guy should be a PPG in the AHL, or close to it, at this point.
7-13 for 20 in his last 20 played, the wrist is finally 100%

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