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03-06-2013, 01:59 PM
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The celebration is brilliant. Decent goal too. What type of player is Farnham - from what I can recall he's like a better McIntyre?
Faecal whisk. He's a terrible hockey player, but he's fast and tries his tiny, tiny heart out. The day he sees an NHL roster is the first sign of the apocalypse.

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03-06-2013, 02:00 PM
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Faecal whisk. He's a terrible hockey player, but he's fast and tries his tiny, tiny heart out. The day he sees an NHL roster is the first sign of the apocalypse.
Has he also taunted you after a goal?

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Has he also taunted you after a goal?
That reference has gone way over my head.

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That reference has gone way over my head.
It's just a reference to the video and you being oddly adamant about disliking him.

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It's just a reference to the video and you being oddly adamant about disliking him.
Just being realistic, nothing against him, just not sure we should consider him a prospect!

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Just being realistic, nothing against him, just not sure we should consider him a prospect!
He's only 23 years old, and in his first pro season after spending 4 full years at college.

He's a great skater, he reads and breaks up plays well and he's physical. He makes something happen every time he's on the ice. I think the Pens' 4th line is missing that kind of spark.

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Eh. I feel if an idiot like Zac Rinaldo can make today's NHL in a 4th agitator line role, it's not out of the question for Farnham to land a spot somewhere sometime too.

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He's a fighter though isn't he?

Also. Has Kuhnhackl been injured a lot this season? I noticed that he has only played 13 games this season. 11 for WBS and 2 for Wheeling.
He had season ending surgery.

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He's only 23 years old, and in his first pro season after spending 4 full years at college.

He's a great skater, he reads and breaks up plays well and he's physical. He makes something happen every time he's on the ice. I think the Pens' 4th line is missing that kind of spark.
I like him and he's entertaining to watch, but he's such an abortion with the puck. People complain about Glass and Adams handling the puck? Fighting everyone he comes across and running around like a headless chicken are great for 4th line AHLers, not sure how that would go in the NHL.

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I like him and he's entertaining to watch, but he's such an abortion with the puck. People complain about Glass and Adams handling the puck? Fighting everyone he comes across and running around like a headless chicken are great for 4th line AHLers, not sure how that would go in the NHL.
I think he's pretty good with the puck, at least by comparison with other guys who play a similar game, he just can't finish most of the time.

He fights a ton, but generally it's to stick up for a teammate. Plus, if he's taking someone like Taffe or Miele off of the ice with him, I'll take that trade off any time. He's slowed down a bit on the fighting, but I like that he's willing to answer for the way he plays, it keeps the attention on him instead of leading to retaliation on his teammates.

I think as the season has progressed he's gotten better at picking when to respond and when not to, and he's really toned down on the amount of penalties he's taking.

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03-06-2013, 02:24 PM
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I think he's pretty good with the puck, at least by comparison with other guys who play a similar game, he just can't finish most of the time.

He fights a ton, but generally it's to stick up for a teammate. Plus, if he's taking someone like Taffe or Miele off of the ice with him, I'll take that trade off any time. He's slowed down a bit on the fighting, but I like that he's willing to answer for the way he plays, it keeps the attention on him instead of leading to retaliation on his teammates.

I think as the season has progressed he's gotten better at picking when to respond and when not to, and he's really toned down on the amount of penalties he's taking.
He may rounding into a more balanced and sane human being, but I'm still not convinced he should be anywhere near an NHL roster. Rinaldo is an aberration, not the future.

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03-06-2013, 02:32 PM
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He may rounding into a more balanced and sane human being, but I'm still not convinced he should be anywhere near an NHL roster. Rinaldo is an aberration, not the future.


I think that's where we differ, guys like Rinaldo, Kaleta, Janssen etc. will always be around. No one else is going to take the high road when it comes to employing those types of guys, so I don't see why the Pens should.

I don't see him in the same mold as Rinaldo exactly though, he's not out there making dangerous hits, running guys from behind, etc. He just hits a ton and stirs the pot.

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03-06-2013, 02:36 PM
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I think that's where we differ, guys like Rinaldo, Kaleta, Janssen etc. will always be around. No one else is going to take the high road when it comes to employing those types of guys, so I don't see why the Pens should.

I don't see him in the same mold as Rinaldo exactly though, he's not out there making dangerous hits, running guys from behind, etc. He just hits a ton and stirs the pot.
I think they will always exist, but Kaleta can at least kind of play hockey, Janssen is at least going to win a fight and Rinaldo is, well, Rinaldo. He's not the same type of player as Rinaldo, but the idea is the same. They are faecal whisks. If the Pens had a more skilled 4th line, then I could live with him being on there, but as the current grinding goes, he's no real upgrade.

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03-06-2013, 03:48 PM
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No, I know what you said, and to even talk about 30 goal upside is again, extremely optimistic. I don't think you get to say he's not a blue chipper and then say he has 30 goal potential in the exact same sentence.

I don't think that it's unfair to say that or that those concepts are mutually exclusive. I think Kuhnhackl is very much a boom or bust type of prospect. And the boom (upside) is pretty significant with this player. So if he becomes an NHLer, it will be as a top-6, or worst case top-9, forward who will play with our skilled playmakers and see PP time. It's either that or DEL, IMO.


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I'm not lumping them together. I'm merely saying, I think the shortcomings both guys have could see them not being NHL'ers. I think they could be good AHL players on natural skill alone though.

Fair enough, and thanks for clarifying. I think the main difference between these two guys is that Hanowski, by virtue of spending 4 years at college and getting a lot of time in the gym, he's a much more finished product in terms of the training/power skating type of work than Kuhnhackl. That doesn't mean to say Hanowski can't improve more in that regard, but relatively speaking, Kuhn is much more raw. It was well-known that Kuhn (like Bennett) had never really done serious off-ice training before, and this year he has been hampered with an injury.

So, IF (and again, big IF) he dedicates himself to off-ice training and works really hard, I believe he's got legit top-6 goal scoring upside because of all of his physical attributes, hockey sense & instincts, and ability to play and think the game with good players. And unlike a guy like Jeffrey or Jordan Staal before him, this guy is a natural winger who can play either side (though I like him better as a LWer) and is awesome on the PP. So he'd be a great 3rd wheel on a line with Geno/Neal, because he plays a very similar game to Neal, if he can get stronger.

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03-06-2013, 05:06 PM
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Farnham is hilarious. He just has an AHL contract with WBS though doesn't he?

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03-06-2013, 05:17 PM
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Farnham is hilarious. He just has an AHL contract with WBS though doesn't he?
Yeah, it seems like they're doing the same thing with him as they did with Sill his first year.

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Yeah, it seems like they're doing the same thing with him as they did with Sill his first year.
I wondered why the Pens let Street go, for a team that lacks some skilled centers down there, letting a guy that was fairly productive, go, seemed weird.

I hope Farnham can develop into a pk specialist or something and be a damn good agitator. I really don't want to see Adams back next season.

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I wondered why the Pens let Street go, for a team that lacks some skilled centers down there, letting a guy that was fairly productive, go, seemed weird.

I hope Farnham can develop into a pk specialist or something and be a damn good agitator. I really don't want to see Adams back next season.
One of the main reasons why hes not on our 4th line is because of the penalties he takes. 188 minutes in 46 games that ******. If he came up hed basically be like glass. I dont know if hynes considers him a prospect but i would love it if he could turn farnham into a pk player, and energy player that we an actually put on the ice without being scared

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I wondered why the Pens let Street go, for a team that lacks some skilled centers down there, letting a guy that was fairly productive, go, seemed weird.

I hope Farnham can develop into a pk specialist or something and be a damn good agitator. I really don't want to see Adams back next season.
I'd like to see Farnham get more PK time in WBS, I guess he did it a lot in college. He'll likely get more of a look there as time goes on.

As for Street, I think he wasn't retained because of his playoff performances, or lack thereof. He ranged from invisible to awful.

They are lacking in skill though, although replacing Ferriero with Kolarik was a big help.

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One of the main reasons why hes not on our 4th line is because of the penalties he takes. 188 minutes in 46 games that ******. If he came up hed basically be like glass. I dont know if hynes considers him a prospect but i would love it if he could turn farnham into a pk player, and energy player that we an actually put on the ice without being scared
90 of those minutes come from the 18 fighting majors he's had this year, and a bunch more of them come from 10 minute misconducts.

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90 of those minutes come from the 18 fighting majors he's had this year, and a bunch more of them come from 10 minute misconducts.
I'm okay with violent ******* penalties. The Big Penguins could use a line that just initiates chaos. Say... Farnham-Vitale-Sill. That would work.

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I like him and he's entertaining to watch, but he's such an abortion with the puck. People complain about Glass and Adams handling the puck? Fighting everyone he comes across and running around like a headless chicken are great for 4th line AHLers, not sure how that would go in the NHL.
Sounds like Gary Rissling. Most fans loved him.

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Sounds like Gary Rissling. Most fans loved him.
Dude, nice reference.

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I'm okay with violent ******* penalties. The Big Penguins could use a line that just initiates chaos. Say... Farnham-Vitale-Sill. That would work.
A line like that would need a closer...i.e. MacIntyre. You need someone who can finish what the other two start.

Anyway, both Farnham and Sill sound like players that Disco would fall WAY too much in love with. It's a bit scary to think about it.

Besides, Glass is under contract for another year and I'll believe we will let Adams walk when I see it.

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I wondered why the Pens let Street go, for a team that lacks some skilled centers down there, letting a guy that was fairly productive, go, seemed weird.
Calgary offered him a 2-way contract, with us he only had an AHL deal with the Baby Pens and I guess Shero didn't want to waste a contract spot on a guy who'd never crack the Pittsburgh lineup. They signed a ton of more experienced veterans instead but most of them aren't working out.

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I'm surprised Glass isn't working out better.

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