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02-20-2013, 09:55 PM
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Has this board gone full Brian O'Reilly?

Martin Havlat is the most one-dimensional player we ever had, and he has a whopping 3 goals and 2 assists this year. Greening costs a fraction of the price, has 2 goals and 3 assists, and was credited with more hits last night than Havlat will throw all year.

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So we're basing Havlat as a player on a 15 game sample size, and ignore the fact that he's never had a season in which he as under 0.73ppg since 2002?

And we'd rather keep a low-scoring grinder on a team full of low scoring grinders and not address the fact that we were thin in our top 6 even before Spezza and Michalek got hurt?

That's good talent assessment right there.


... Greening would be a pittance to pay for Havlat.

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Has this board gone full Brian O'Reilly?

Martin Havlat is the most one-dimensional player we ever had, and he has a whopping 3 goals and 2 assists this year. Greening costs a fraction of the price, has 2 goals and 3 assists, and was credited with more hits last night than Havlat will throw all year.

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02-20-2013, 09:59 PM
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Okay, let's say Melnyk gives the okay on adding a couple guys to keep the team afloat in the playoff race.

Greening for Havlat.
Could we even get Havlat for Greening? I'm not really a fan of adding another injury prone player to our roster, but at the very least Havlat is a hell of a player when he is healthy.

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Daugavins for MA Bergeron.

Claim Cody McCormick.

Havlat gives us a needed skilled left shooter up front. Bergeron helps our Karlsson-less PP and plays as the 12th forward on most nights. McCormick is basically just a body to replace Daug.
I like that trade but I would try and get PC Labrie in that deal as well. Labrie and McCromick are pretty similar players in terms of playing style and NHL upside but Labrie is 3 years younger. Also there is a good chance that a team like the Oilers claim McCromick before we ever get the chance.

Daugavins is expendable and won't likely be re-signed if he finished the season here anyway.

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Silfverberg-Turris-Alfredsson
Havlat-Da Costa-Condra(Michalek if he returns)
Dzuirzynski-Smith-Neil
McCormick-O'Brien-Bergeron (Condra)

Hopefully, Stone and Hoffman return in a few weeks. Regin? Latendresse? I don't know.

Methot-Gryba
Wiercioch-Gonchar
Phillips-Benoit/Lundin

Anderson
Bishop

Could this group scratch and claw their way to 8th/9th until April when Spezza returns (fingers crossed)?
My propsoed lineup would be the same as yours except Labrie would take McCormick's spot. I would also like to see what Sdao can do on the third pairing. His season is down the first week of March and he is another big physical defensive d man with some puck skills. Maybe we luck out and he makes a similar impact to Gryba out there this season.

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02-20-2013, 10:07 PM
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I would replace Condra with Stone, Daugavins with DD, Regin with Grant, Benoit with Gryba & Lundin with Boroweicki.
I would look to replace Lundin with Sdao. Sdao has more puck skills than Borowiecki. He will likely be joing the Sens early March and could get a look in Ottawa before the Sens decide if he needs some seasoning in Bingo.

Also we are going to need to have more than one offensive d man in the lineup. Gonchar will be get traded and if Benoit isn't in then we would only have Weircioch. If Benoit isn't going to play regularly then we need to acquire another offensive d man. MA Bergeron or Ryan Whitney could both possibly be acquired for a relatively cheap price. Acquiring one of those guys could be worthwile.

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So we're basing Havlat as a player on a 15 game sample size, and ignore the fact that he's never had a season in which he as under 0.73ppg since 2002?

And we'd rather keep a low-scoring grinder on a team full of low scoring grinders and not address the fact that we were thin in our top 6 even before Spezza and Michalek got hurt?

That's good talent assessment right there.


... Greening would be a pittance to pay for Havlat.
I think the major risk is that Havlat is injury prone. If we acquire him and he can't stay healthy then he won't be helping us much from the sdielines. With that said, we desperatley need some high end skill up front. So if Greening is the asking price then it likely would be a good idea to pull the trigger. At Greening's age I don't know if he has much more upside than his performance last season and even then there is a chance that he simply over acheived.

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02-20-2013, 10:11 PM
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Sdao will go to Bingo, not Ottawa. We will have 2-3 of Bingo's D as is, and we won't bring him from NCAA straight to the NHL, especially someone like Sdao. He will go to the AHL like everyone of our NCAA drafted prospects have.

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02-20-2013, 10:16 PM
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Sdao will go to Bingo, not Ottawa. We will have 2-3 of Bingo's D as is, and we won't bring him from NCAA straight to the NHL, especially someone like Sdao. He will go to the AHL like everyone of our NCAA drafted prospects have.
He was one of our best d man during the scrimmage at the prospects development camp. He has NHL size and strength and he also has good mobility and puck skills for a defensive d man.

The senators are very high on Sdao, I think he gets a look in Ottawa first. At the very least they may have him just practice with the Sens to see if he is ready for some NHL time.

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02-20-2013, 10:17 PM
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Bruise, I doubt Sdao will get any consideration for NHL games. Gryba was a better NHL prospect when he graduated from BU and it took him 2 1/2 years in the minors plus a slew of injuries to get his first call up.

Sdao would at the very least have to get a few games in Bingo and prove he's better than Claesson and Boro. And this is all assuming he doesn't want to wait before signing so he can finish his degree at an Ivy league school. He's not exactly a guy who has a guaranteed future in hockey.

He's probably not the level of prospect you're making him out to be.

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02-20-2013, 10:18 PM
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Havlat is playing on the 4th line for a reason. He’s too expensive for what he brings nowadays, there are better options that Murray should save for in the off-season.

I also hate these MAB/Whitney rumours. No trade will replace what Karlsson brings, and I would much rather go with the Bingo call-ups for the next little while before making any move (buy or sell). MAB and Whitney are Oiler rejects - they are that bad.

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You mean Bill O Reilly?

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I think the major risk is that Havlat is injury prone. If we acquire him and he can't stay healthy then he won't be helping us much from the sdielines. With that said, we desperatley need some high end skill up front. So if Greening is the asking price then it likely would be a good idea to pull the trigger. At Greening's age I don't know if he has much more upside than his performance last season and even then there is a chance that he simply over acheived.
See, now THERE is a valid criticism of Havlat.

If someone thinks Havlat is a bad play for us to make because of the injury concerns, I can at least respect that opinion (and in general I agree about the injury concerns, though if the price is nothing more than Greening then you make that deal regardless of his injury history).

Not wanting to trade for him because he has 5 points in the past 15 games, while ignoring the other 660 games he's played, is not a sensible argument whatsoever.

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Havlat is playing on the 4th line for a reason. Heís too expensive for what he brings nowadays, there are better options that Murray should save for in the off-season.

I also hate these MAB/Whitney rumours. No trade will replace what Karlsson brings, and I would much rather go with the Bingo call-ups for the next little while before making any move (buy or sell). MAB and Whitney are Oiler rejects - they are that bad.
Murray also recognizes that we are a Sergei Gonchar injury away from being in the ****.

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02-20-2013, 10:26 PM
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You mean Bill O Reilly?
Nope, he means O'Reilly's dad Brian.

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See, now THERE is a valid criticism of Havlat.

If someone thinks Havlat is a bad play for us to make because of the injury concerns, I can at least respect that opinion (and in general I agree about the injury concerns, though if the price is nothing more than Greening then you make that deal regardless of his injury history).

Not wanting to trade for him because he has 5 points in the past 15 games, while ignoring the other 660 games he's played, is not a sensible argument whatsoever.
Agreed.

Regardless, the idea is to buy low.

Re: MAB. Our PP sucks. There's really no way around that. Even if Anderson plays Hart calibre for the entirety of the shortened season, we'll sink in the standings with a PP that scores once out of every 25 or so tries. Say what you want about Bergeron, but he's a fantastic PPQB. He wouldn't need to play a second even strength as a defenseman if Maclean wanted and still bring something we lack.

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02-20-2013, 10:28 PM
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Bruise, I doubt Sdao will get any consideration for NHL games. Gryba was a better NHL prospect when he graduated from BU and it took him 2 1/2 years in the minors plus a slew of injuries to get his first call up.

Sdao would at the very least have to get a few games in Bingo and prove he's better than Claesson and Boro. And this is all assuming he doesn't want to wait before signing so he can finish his degree at an Ivy league school. He's not exactly a guy who has a guaranteed future in hockey.

He's probably not the level of prospect you're making him out to be.
Maybe your right. I just remember another poster on here was saying that the Senators are very high on Sdao and they wanted him to play in the AHL this season. He also said that the Sens managment felt that he could possibly play some NHL games as soon as this season and that the Sens took a lot of precautions to ensure that they didn't have a Justin Schultz situation with Sdao. Now that could all be BS. I don't know the poster and have no way of veryifying the credibility of their statements. I guess we will have to wait and see.

I personally thought he was the best d man on the ice during the prospects scrimmage. but maybe some other posters saw something different from me. Did you manage to check out that scrimmage? and if so what was your assessment of Sdao's play?

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Martin Havlat was the most talented player the Sens had ever produced until Karlsson came along.

He was awesome.

Trading him for junk was a horrible move, or par for the course for John Muckler.

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Maybe your right. I just remember another poster on here was saying that the Senators are very high on Sdao and they wanted him to play in the AHL this season. He also said that the Sens managment felt that he could possibly play some NHL games as soon as this season and that the Sens took a lot of precautions to ensure that they didn't have a Justin Schultz situation with Sdao. Now that could all be BS. I don't know the poster and have no way of veryifying the credibility of their statements. I guess we will have to wait and see.

I personally thought he was the best d man on the ice during the prospects scrimmage. but maybe some other posters saw something different from me. Did you manage to check out that scrimmage? and if so what was your assessment of Sdao's play?
I liked Sdao but didn't see anything to really set him apart from guys like Wikstrand or Claesson. He's big and moves pretty well and he might have got himself onto Ottawa this season if he had gone to Bingo over Princeton with the injuries.

No reason to bring him to Ottawa yet. Luke is doing a great job with our other D, so let's let him work with him before having to throw him to the wolves in the NHL. He'll probably need a couple of seasons in Bingo.

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Hmmmm, I just wanted to bring up Bill O Reilly.

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02-20-2013, 10:42 PM
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I liked Sdao but didn't see anything to really set him apart from guys like Wikstrand or Claesson. He's big and moves pretty well and he might have got himself onto Ottawa this season if he had gone to Bingo over Princeton with the injuries.

No reason to bring him to Ottawa yet. Luke is doing a great job with our other D, so let's let him work with him before having to throw him to the wolves in the NHL. He'll probably need a couple of seasons in Bingo.
If the Sens feel that he needs seasoning in Bingo than that's where he will go. It is good though that the Senators are able to find some d men in the later rounds like Sdao, Wikstand and Claesson that actually have some decent upside.

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Murray also recognizes that we are a Sergei Gonchar injury away from being in the ****.
Does that mean we sign Edmonton/TB garbage? I would much rather play Wiercioch, Benoit, and Gryba - the organizationís assets - then trade for and play either of these Campoli/Gilroy versions of 2013.

Unless the return is for something that helps this rebuilding team now and in the future, there is no point. Letís see where this team can take us before even determining whether to add (top-6 forward/top-4 defenceman) or subtract.

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Does that mean we sign Edmonton/TB garbage? I would much rather play Wiercioch, Benoit, and Gryba - the organizationís assets - then trade for and play either of these Campoli/Gilroy versions of 2013.

Unless the return is for something that helps this rebuilding team now and in the future, there is no point. Letís see where this team can take us before even determining whether to add (top-6 forward/top-4 defenceman) or subtract.
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See, now THERE is a valid criticism of Havlat.

If someone thinks Havlat is a bad play for us to make because of the injury concerns, I can at least respect that opinion (and in general I agree about the injury concerns, though if the price is nothing more than Greening then you make that deal regardless of his injury history).

Not wanting to trade for him because he has 5 points in the past 15 games, while ignoring the other 660 games he's played, is not a sensible argument whatsoever.
That is pretty much the exact time when you want to trade for a player like that. Havlat has a proven track record so it's not like we are banking on a player who could have overachieved for a year or two.

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Martin Havlat was the most talented player the Sens had ever produced until Karlsson came along.

He was awesome.

Trading him for junk was a horrible move, or par for the course for John Muckler.
Yashin, Alfredsson, Hossa, Spezza come to mind as well, no?

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Yashin, Alfredsson, Hossa, Spezza come to mind as well, no?
Havlat has a case to make at least. Doesn't take away from the others.

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Want no part of MAB. Whitney could be a reclamation project -- he's shown a lot of talent in the past and might just be struggling on a terrible team. Paulrus could provide stability and a system in which he could work. Only 30 years old...but again, injury concerns.

But then again, Whitney and Visnovsky (he looked pretty good against Ottawa) are guys we could target in the off-season. They would help now, but I'm not sure the Islanders are willing to let go of the season yet and I'm not sure that moving assets for either of them is worth it.

I dunno...I feel like with our system, goaltending and drive we are still a threat to make the playoffs. Our chances would be increased drastically if we could add a young top 6 forward and a puck moving defenceman. Why couldn't Schultz have just signed here? That putz. He will regret that decision in a few years if he doesn't already.

My targets would be Visnovsky and Green...but I get the feeling that we aren't really going to be making any big moves. Green would look so good in Ottawa though.

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