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05-05-2013, 03:44 AM
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Best thing that could happen at this point is having Morton and Liariano healthy. Plus where the hell is Contreras!? They were pimping him out, but won't use him

When we get those two back (Morton / Liariano) Locke will be moved to the BP, where he belongs. I don't trust him as a starter, but he's an excellent option for long relief. He does well in short outings.
I sure got more faith in Locke than in JMac at the moment...

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A lot of bad stuff from yesterday's game, but still the one thing that stands alone above the rest is Watson can never be used for multiple innings. He's a lefty specialist who's great when he's facing 1 or 2 batters a game but has proven over and over and over again that he's not someone who can pitch more than an inning at a time.

If you don't want to use Melancon, fine, I don't agree with that strategy but you have Contreras available and ready to go.

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Marte is going to be this year's McCutchen.

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05-05-2013, 12:56 PM
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Bases loaded, no outs.

Nat's get two straight K's.

Up to Inge.

DAMN!! No runs.

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05-05-2013, 01:04 PM
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Marte killed the rally!

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I literally can't believe Sanchez scored there. With the way he was trucking I expected him to be caught in no man's land. A perfect throw would have beaten him, but still...props for the attack.

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That's something that we could never count on as a possibility from our catcher last year, unless the Fort was on a hot streak. This year, I find myself thinking things like "Martin hasn't looked good today, but that could change," which signifies the difference at the catcher position.

I think McKenry is a very solid backup who is at his best when he's fresh, so the combo is working very well so far.

Just too bad that Alvarez continues to be basically nonexistent.

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05-05-2013, 02:40 PM
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I won't say this is an ideal situation, ideally we'd have an All Star catcher who can play 140 games, but for what we've had since Kendall fell off a cliff this is easily the best we've looked at the catcher position. McKenry can't play 3+ games in a row, but when he's used twice a week he's golden and Martin has consistently been a plus defensively & framing pitches even when he's not hitting...but he's been hitting pretty damn well since that opening stretch.

It's been a long time since I've been comfortable at the catcher position....and this could go to a real position of organizational strength soon too, we have two real nice young prospects low in the minors there and there's a really nice collegiate catcher the Pirates have apparently been scouting hard (I've seen him go as high as 4th in mocks and as low as 20th).

edit: The bullpen is absolutely killing us right now.


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05-05-2013, 03:21 PM
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This team can't go anywhere without a bullpen that has someone who is great / borderline-elite. Outside of Grilli, there is no one to depend on what so ever, except maybe Melancon.

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except maybe Melancon.
We are going to kill him. He's on pace for like 90 games and and only a few pitchers broke 80 games last season.

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seems like way too many opposing batters getting big hits after being down 0-2 in counts. supremely frustrating to see.

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05-05-2013, 04:08 PM
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Not an ideal series, but still a promising start, especially with the toughness of the schedule.

Morris is one player that they need to take their lumps with--he's more than capable of being an excellent late innings guy, especially given the other options.

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05-05-2013, 04:23 PM
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agreed on morris. he just has way more upside than hughes.

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05-05-2013, 09:13 PM
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Hurdle's got to stop thinking Brandon Inge is Super-Utility Man and ****ing play Travis Snider. Look at his career splits; there is little to no evidence that suggests he can't hit lefties. He's not some journeyman who's topped out, he's still a young bat in development. You'll never give him a shot at becoming what he could be by giving him just 5 ABs out of 70 against lefties.


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05-06-2013, 03:17 AM
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Snider may not have the power we thought he would bring right away, but he's a damn good hitter. You can be a good power hitter and not hit a ton of homers. Power can mean a lot of deep hits into the gap (or even sac fly)

Inge was dumped for a reason.

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And 2 or 3 of his doubles this year were really close to being homers, when I say close I mean like a couple of feet. Until he picked up a slight nag in the Cardinals series, he was making pretty good contact and getting some good pop of his bat and looked like he was on the verge of perhaps breaking out and getting a few of those to start going for him, and maybe hitting 15 homers or so for the year. But since the minor injury, he's only been entrusted with I think one, maybe two starts in the last eight or nine days and his momentum's been quashed.

He's still only 25 and has the potential to be a contributor at the top of the order. Now, how many guys aged 25 or younger do we possess at, say, AA or higher can we say that about?

He's a bit of a pudgy little ****er, not much of a defensive player. But the defense argument goes out the window when you compare him to Jose 'I'll Go Hard For The Ball When I Want To' Tabata and Brandon 'I Played 5 Innings of RF In 15 Years Before Clint Got His Hands On Me' Inge.

Inge at Right Field, Jesus Christ. Though this team is managed by the guy who put Josh Harrison and Drew ****ing Sutton out there last year.

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05-06-2013, 10:42 AM
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Want to guess how many games in his entire career Inge has played RF?

If you guessed 4; you win!

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05-06-2013, 10:55 PM
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I agree that Snider definitely needs to be playing.

I think expectations have to be pretty high heading into the next stretch of games. At least 4-2, hopefully 5-1. A bad or mediocre string of games coupled with 4 Brewers games could spell trouble, but a solid 7-3 over our next 10 games with 6 following against the Cubs and Astros could also pad the record nicely if things go well. Given the bullpen struggles coupled with question marks on almost all the starters, a lot of it probably rests on pitching.

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05-06-2013, 11:10 PM
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Want to guess how many games in his entire career Inge has played RF?

If you guessed 4; you win!
Almost as bad as moving Iginla to left wing.

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05-07-2013, 04:15 PM
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Gomez starting tonight -- JMac to DL. Not really surprising.

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05-07-2013, 06:28 PM
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And that is why Snider is an every day player and should continue to be.

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05-07-2013, 06:33 PM
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It'd be very nice to get a quality start from Gomez as a kind of bonus... AJ will be in the shutdown roll tomorrow, but hopefully the bullpen doesn't need to be too taxed tonight, especially since our only real long man is pitching... if he can give six solid innings, that would be outstanding.

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05-07-2013, 08:42 PM
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Raise it.


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05-07-2013, 09:07 PM
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Snider should see the majority of starts as the 3rd OF. He isn't showing pop, but he is exhibiting good patience and discipline which helps make up for it. He and Marte are probably due for some BABIP regression, but he might be able to sustain a decent OBP if he sustains the patience he has exhibited.

Using Melancon and Grilli only for save situations strikes me as stupid as Blysma's refusal to make adjustments, but the Pirates seem to have weathered a pretty rough starting schedule despite Hurdle's inane decisions. Here's to hoping that they can build off it.

I find it a little weird that Hurdle and Bylsma are so similar: good motivators and apparently terrible tacticians.


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I agree re: Hurdle, but Melancon was on pace for some ridiculous total of games, like 90 or something, not too long ago. (To this end, we could have just given Grilli the night off, especially up 3 on the Mariners).

Tonight was a nice, solid win in a sort of must-win game. I didn't realize we were going to see King Felix tomorrow, and we can't afford to do much worse than split these games. Hopefully we see AJ at the top of his game and we can eek out a close win.

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