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02-18-2013, 10:11 AM
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I don't agree..

Reilly makes the team next year because of the way RC handles his pairings and the fact certain guys are ahead of him. Gardiner has a concussion,other GM's will shy away from that. I doubt we land O'Reilly because of the cost. In order to land him we have to send Grabo back.So Grabo and Gardiner for O'Reilly? Now Col. has to sweeten the pot.

Most likely upgrade Grabo and Gunner for Statsny. We hope Statsny finds new life and they get a Center and help on defense.

Mega package Grabo.,Gunner and Komi. for Statsny and a 2nd rounder.

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02-18-2013, 10:12 AM
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Gardiner ever play any forward!

His hands couldn't be any worse than Jim Korns

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02-18-2013, 10:15 AM
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Bottom line is it's nice to have depth. Injuries are going to happen and past question marks like Kostka, Holzer and Fraser are showing they can play at a high level. Sure we can trade from the depth when there is a risk of losing someone on the waiver, but until then injuries are going to pop up and we will need the numbers. I don't see Gardiner coming up until injuries or a string of bad games come up for some current Leaf D.
Unsure who would have to clear waivers, seeing some are here as injury replacements.

I thought IRs did not have to clear waivers.

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02-18-2013, 10:22 AM
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Random Fact: Cody Franson is for Salmon Arm BC.........

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When everyone is healthy I'd go with ..

Phaneuf & Gunnarsson
Gardiner and Holzer
Fraser & Franson

as my top 6 regulars.

Which means Kostka or Liles needs to go on waivers and the other joining Komisarek in the pressbox.

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02-18-2013, 10:40 AM
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When everyone is healthy I'd go with ..

Phaneuf & Gunnarsson
Gardiner and Holzer
Fraser & Franson

as my top 6 regulars.

Which means Kostka or Liles needs to go on waivers and the other joining Komisarek in the pressbox.
You know the ins and outs Mess, who here is waiver exempt as injury call ups?

We know how the game is played, we called BB out on his "who ever earns a spot" BS, we both know decisions depend heavily on waiver rules.

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02-18-2013, 10:49 AM
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You know the ins and outs Mess, who here is waiver exempt as injury call ups?

We know how the game is played, we called BB out on his "who ever earns a spot" BS, we both know decisions depend heavily on waiver rules.
Only Gardiner is waiver exempt to the best of my knowledge of the present group, able to go up and down without waiver concerns.

Komisarek is also waiver exempt but only because he has a NMC in his contract that prevents him being placed on waivers and demoted, other than for the purpose of a buyout procedure.

Nonis hasn't let past "self entitlement" tendencies get in the way of attempting to let Leafs ice the best team possible as per coaches choice, regardless of contract terms or player age. However in terms of asset management one would think that Gardiner will be recalled as an injury replacement to a current injured Leaf dmen situation as opposed to force a waiver wire situation.

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02-18-2013, 10:49 AM
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phaneuf holzer
gardiner kostka
fraser franson

goodbye:
liles
komisarek

gunnarsson is a tough call
he could be used anywhere or nowhere
i like phaneuf holzer as the shutdown pair

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02-18-2013, 11:26 AM
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Random Fact: Cody Franson is for Salmon Arm BC.........

Random Thought: But Salmon dont have arms?.....
Yeah,and we park on driveways,and drive on parkways too.

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02-18-2013, 11:28 AM
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Only Gardiner is waiver exempt to the best of my knowledge of the present group, able to go up and down without waiver concerns.

Komisarek is also waiver exempt but only because he has a NMC in his contract that prevents him being placed on waivers and demoted, other than for the purpose of a buyout procedure.

Nonis hasn't let past "self entitlement" tendencies get in the way of attempting to let Leafs ice the best team possible as per coaches choice, regardless of contract terms or player age. However in terms of asset management one would think that Gardiner will be recalled as an injury replacement to a current injured Leaf dmen situation as opposed to force a waiver wire situation.
Well one has to weigh this "self entitlement" with asset management.

Would i send down a player who is only producing at a slightly higher level but is waiver exempt over one that is not, hell ya and twice on sunday.

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02-18-2013, 11:35 AM
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Why don't we just dump steckel when gunnarson is back and run 8 defenseman?

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I just hope it's not Fraser that gets the chop. Guy has been a really tough solid D-man so far for us. Seeing Carlyle using him on the PK shows that he's got a big vote of confidence from the coaches as well.

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I just hope it's not Fraser that gets the chop. Guy has been a really tough solid D-man so far for us. Seeing Carlyle using him on the PK shows that he's got a big vote of confidence from the coaches as well.
I agree, I've liked Fraser's game. He knows his role, and certainly adds some toughness on the blueline. If it came down to Fraser/Kostka I'd take Fraser all day. That being said I've liked all 3 of the Marlie's defensemen. (Fraser, Kostka, Holzer)

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I'd go with this:

Phaneuf-Gunnarson
Gardiner-Franson
Liles-Holzer

Extra: Fraser, Kotska, Komisarek.

*NOTE* I didnt pay attention to making them play the side they should.

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02-18-2013, 12:01 PM
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I agree, I've liked Fraser's game. He knows his role, and certainly adds some toughness on the blueline. If it came down to Fraser/Kostka I'd take Fraser all day. That being said I've liked all 3 of the Marlie's defensemen. (Fraser, Kostka, Holzer)
Fraser reminds me of Lefevbre from the early 90's. Solid d-man, workmanlike, tough as nails, unnoticeable for the most part. Testament to his solid play is the +11 he's garnered as a 5-6 d-man.

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I just hope it's not Fraser that gets the chop. Guy has been a really tough solid D-man so far for us. Seeing Carlyle using him on the PK shows that he's got a big vote of confidence from the coaches as well.
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Fraser reminds me of Lefevbre from the early 90's. Solid d-man, workmanlike, tough as nails, unnoticeable for the most part. Testament to his solid play is the +11 he's garnered as a 5-6 d-man.
He's at his best when you don't really notice him. Only when he crushes people, and fights.
I.E. Destroying Jeff Skinner in the Canes game.

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02-18-2013, 12:12 PM
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He's at his best when you don't really notice him. Only when he crushes people, and fights.
I.E. Destroying Jeff Skinner in the Canes game.
I love that about Fraser and Holzer...they are TOUGH. Also, if anyone messes with our goalie, they clear them out of there like a house on fire. Carlyle is showing alot more confidence in Fraser as well. He's using him alot more in crucial situations on penalty kill and late in games.

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02-18-2013, 12:17 PM
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Gardiner is still coming around,and when he is ready nonis will most likely move a d-man i suspect.Gardiner could start clicking immediately,but lets not get to antsy. He will be ready when he is ready.

Depth is nice to have.

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02-18-2013, 12:25 PM
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Franson bleeds scoring chances. Phaneuf needs less defensive responsibility, not more. We have so many puck movers and not enough defensive guys of the same caliber. Definitely a tough situation. Times like this I'm glad I'm not Randy Carlyle
Why? If people take there blinkers off and love affair away from the soft but positional sound Gunnarson as this underrated player and just forget about Gardiner do to he's in the AHL the decision for Carlyle is very easy STICK WITH THE 6 right now that are playing well as a 6 man D core.

From the 6 in the line up the one who's most replaceable is Lilies if Gardiner is called back up where he belongs until then Lilies is going nowhere. From all the D men in the organization right now the one who sticks out like a sore thumb and is worth more in trade to improve this team is the overrated underrated LOL! Gunnarson

If I was Nonis there's 3 guys that are on the trade block. Gunnarson, Lilies and Mac

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I don't know how this year will play out, but I think this is what we'll be looking at next season:

Phaneuf - Ranger
Gardiner - Gunnarsson
Rielly - Franson
X: Fraser, Holzer

Kostka is let go, Komisarek is bought out, and Liles is traded.

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Fraser reminds me of Lefevbre from the early 90's. Solid d-man, workmanlike, tough as nails, unnoticeable for the most part. Testament to his solid play is the +11 he's garnered as a 5-6 d-man.
IMO he's a clone in almost every aspect to Ken Daneyko

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When everyone is healthy I'd go with ..

Phaneuf & Gunnarsson
Gardiner and Holzer
Fraser & Franson

as my top 6 regulars.

Which means Kostka or Liles needs to go on waivers and the other joining Komisarek in the pressbox.
Kostka has already been on waivers, and I dont believe there are re-call waivers. Coule be wrong. The Leafs can carry 8 D.

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I don't know how this year will play out, but I think this is what we'll be looking at next season:

Phaneuf - RangerGardiner - Gunnarsson
Rielly - Franson
X: Fraser, Holzer

Kostka is let go, Komisarek is bought out, and Liles is traded.
I liked that you put Ranger in the line up, healthy and willing, Paul would be a big help on the blueline next year. I dont see the rush bringing up Reilly, let him have some more time. Leafs can carry 8 D, Kostka would be cheap to sign, Liles is important, and I wouldnt be suprised to see Komisarek traded next year.

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02-18-2013, 12:46 PM
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I don't know how this year will play out, but I think this is what we'll be looking at next season:

Phaneuf - Ranger
Gardiner - Gunnarsson
Rielly - Franson
X: Fraser, Holzer

Kostka is let go, Komisarek is bought out, and Liles is traded.
Kostka brings everything Gunnarson brings to the table with the added little trait he's tougher. When you factor in Gunnarson is do a raise to re-sign he will instantly become an inflated contract on the books at 3-4 million while Kostka for the same service will be significantly cheaper...

Just noticed your 6 my goodness LOL!

No chance Holzer is out same with Frasor the way they're playing. Ranger will either be a Marlie or in another organization and Reilly until he earns it he will be in the AHL.

The only change for next year from the current 6 is a spot for Gardiner IMO.

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