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02-18-2013, 12:59 PM
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Kostka has already been on waivers, and I dont believe there are re-call waivers. Coule be wrong. The Leafs can carry 8 D.
Kostka has not been on wavers... he would have been claimed if he was.

Seems like Kostka is the most underrated player on the Leafs for the moment well maybe 2nd to Bozak.

The most overrated is this belief of the importance of Carl Gunnarson... This guy is such a trade chip it's not even funny that people don't see it. It's not that he's not a good player, it's because he is a good player that makes him the perfect trade chip X2 this year with the fact he has to re-sign and will be a 3-4 million cap hit... At that number suddenly this belief that he's underrated will quickly dissipate. Trade him and re-sign Franson he's more important to keep around.

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02-18-2013, 01:13 PM
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Kostka brings everything Gunnarson brings to the table with the added little trait he's tougher. When you factor in Gunnarson is do a raise to re-sign he will instantly become an inflated contract on the books at 3-4 million while Kostka for the same service will be significantly cheaper...

Just noticed your 6 my goodness LOL!

No chance Holzer is out same with Frasor the way they're playing. Ranger will either be a Marlie or in another organization and Reilly until he earns it he will be in the AHL.

The only change for next year from the current 6 is a spot for Gardiner IMO.
Gunnar's footspeed is significantly better, and his offense is slightly better. Kostka doesnt "bring" everything, and hes also due a raise at seasons end. I dont forsee Gunnar commanding to much more then he earns now

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02-18-2013, 01:31 PM
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Kostka has not been on wavers... he would have been claimed if he was.

Seems like Kostka is the most underrated player on the Leafs for the moment well maybe 2nd to Bozak.

The most overrated is this belief of the importance of Carl Gunnarson... This guy is such a trade chip it's not even funny that people don't see it. It's not that he's not a good player, it's because he is a good player that makes him the perfect trade chip X2 this year with the fact he has to re-sign and will be a 3-4 million cap hit... At that number suddenly this belief that he's underrated will quickly dissipate. Trade him and re-sign Franson he's more important to keep around.
If the perception is accurate and he could bring in a needed piece, absolutely, Carl Gunnarson is a good hockey player that in a good hockey deal wouldn't hurt Toronto to move.

On a side note, I often wonder if with this present ROR situation, if Toronto shouldn't try to come in the back door with a number of our own centers and try to pry a few prospects away like Elliot and Aitokallio...And then target centes like Weiss and Bolland...

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02-18-2013, 01:35 PM
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how come no one is suggesting Dion gets traded?

Could happen, especially with his cap hit and only 1 more year after this on his contract. could see him in a package move for a center

Nonis suggested both him and Kessel could be signed or who knows

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02-18-2013, 01:55 PM
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how come no one is suggesting Dion gets traded?

Could happen, especially with his cap hit and only 1 more year after this on his contract. could see him in a package move for a center

Nonis suggested both him and Kessel could be signed or who knows
Because hes our Captain and #1 Dman? The cap is a complete non-issus moving forward. The Leafs are in a wonderful situation cap-wise thanks to Burke.

IMO theres no one who can bring what Dion brings to the table in our system right now. Rielly will likely fill that #1 role in a few years, but hes not ready.

People rag on Dion's mistakes but overlook his good plays. Hes a quality Dman and logs huge minutes.

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02-18-2013, 02:22 PM
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The Leafs have activated Carl Gunnarsson from injured reserve. He will be available tonight if Carlyle so chooses. Now carrying eight D.

Now it's official...
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02-18-2013, 02:28 PM
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Being asked a lot about Jake Gardiner. One of considerations is if he plays three more NHL games, he becomes eligible for waivers.

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Basically once they bring Gardiner back, he's staying. This stretch of games with the Marlies will be his last as they'll never waive him.

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02-18-2013, 02:30 PM
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ok, we officially have a logjam.

Holzer's likely one of the odd men out, given his replaceable play and his waiver status.

But they'll have to drop another guy to get Gardiner up here.

man they shoulda amnestied Komi this offseason.

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02-18-2013, 02:32 PM
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James Mirtle ‏@mirtle
Being asked a lot about Jake Gardiner. One of considerations is if he plays three more NHL games, he becomes eligible for waivers.

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Basically once they bring Gardiner back, he's staying. This stretch of games with the Marlies will be his last as they'll never waive him.
Might someone then conclude that he won't be coming back without a trade in place?

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02-18-2013, 02:34 PM
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ok, we officially have a logjam.

Holzer's likely one of the odd men out, given his replaceable play and his waiver status.

But they'll have to drop another guy to get Gardiner up here.

man they shoulda amnestied Komi this offseason.
Makes no diff when the amnesty him. Will count on the cap, this season, one way or the other. There was no time he could be amnestied without cap hit this year.

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ok, we officially have a logjam.

Holzer's likely one of the odd men out, given his replaceable play and his waiver status.

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The Phaneuf-Holzer pair has been very solid, I wouldn't split that just yet.. Tough call for Carlyle there.

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02-18-2013, 02:36 PM
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ok, we officially have a logjam.

Holzer's likely one of the odd men out, given his replaceable play and his waiver status.

But they'll have to drop another guy to get Gardiner up here.

man they shoulda amnestied Komi this offseason.
Holzer may no longer be waiver exempt since he just had his 25th birthday.

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02-18-2013, 02:38 PM
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Makes no diff when the amnesty him. Will count on the cap, this season, one way or the other. There was no time he could be amnestied without cap hit this year.
The amnesty wouldn't have been due to cap hit for this year but for a roster spot.

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02-18-2013, 02:39 PM
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Makes no diff when the amnesty him. Will count on the cap, this season, one way or the other. There was no time he could be amnestied without cap hit this year.
don't care about the cap hit. care about the roster spot.

now we're stuck with him clogging up a roster until the offseason.

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Holzer may no longer be waiver exempt since he just had his 25th birthday.
Pretty sure they determine age by a midsummer cutoff - Jun 31 or Jul1 or something.

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02-18-2013, 02:41 PM
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The amnesty wouldn't have been due to cap hit for this year but for a roster spot.
That is not what the poster's comment was. But thanks for your input anyway.

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02-18-2013, 02:43 PM
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don't care about the cap hit. care about the roster spot.

now we're stuck with him clogging up a roster until the offseason.
That is not what your post seemed to indicate to me. But if that is the case I don't see what the point is. Send him down. Could be a disaster move if we get a slew of injuries. If someone grabs him huzzzah!

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I love Gunnarsson but I would seriously consider moving him in a package to beef up our top 9. Perhaps a player with grit that can actually score. For example, someone like Clowe (not saying he's available, just an example).

Gunnarsson has solid value so there could be a nice return for him. Kostka would be the one traded in my opinion, but I doubt there's much value in a career AHLer with minimal NHL experience... maybe a 6th round pick?

I do believe Holzer would have to go through waive to be sent down, so that's out of the question. Plus, he's been solid so far.

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02-18-2013, 02:47 PM
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That is not what your post seemed to indicate to me. But if that is the case I don't see what the point is. Send him down. Could be a disaster move if we get a slew of injuries. If someone grabs him huzzzah!
that's the problem - we can't send him down.

he has a no-movement clause.

that's why we should have amnestied him in the offseason.

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02-18-2013, 02:58 PM
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Its actually nice to see that our defensive core actually seem rather good this season. Maybe a trade will be coming soon, you can't keep sending Holzer down all the time but you'd have to assume he goes down. I'd like to bring down Fraser beacuse I can't see him sticking with the team, he's just not that great but he hasn't really done anything wrong to deserve being sent down .

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02-18-2013, 03:00 PM
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that's the problem - we can't send him down.

he has a no-movement clause.

that's why we should have amnestied him in the offseason.
In which case I agree.

Boy that contract looks better and better every time I look. Yikes.

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Pretty sure they determine age by a midsummer cutoff - Jun 31 or Jul1 or something.
Good to know...that makes sense. Thanks.

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Kostka has not been on wavers... he would have been claimed if he was.

Seems like Kostka is the most underrated player on the Leafs for the moment well maybe 2nd to Bozak.

The most overrated is this belief of the importance of Carl Gunnarson... This guy is such a trade chip it's not even funny that people don't see it. It's not that he's not a good player, it's because he is a good player that makes him the perfect trade chip X2 this year with the fact he has to re-sign and will be a 3-4 million cap hit... At that number suddenly this belief that he's underrated will quickly dissipate. Trade him and re-sign Franson he's more important to keep around.
This makes total sense to me.

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02-18-2013, 03:15 PM
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IMO he's a clone in almost every aspect to Ken Daneyko
Not a bad comparison to a guy who had a 20 yr career in the NHL and twice was a +27 for a gritty defensive defenceman. We should be very lucky if he has a career like that for us. Nonetheless, he's in my top 6 when Gardiner comes back.

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02-18-2013, 03:16 PM
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blueline depth chart minus Liles and Komi:

Gardiner - Phaneuf
Gunnar - Franson
Fraser - Kostka
Rielly - Holzer

young, cheap, deep, balanced blueline.

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