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02-24-2013, 11:58 AM
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Been Reading thru this thread... conclusion= Red wings fans likes to whine, moan about their players, especially the Swedes. Although in reality, they + a Russian are the ones carrying the team.
I never knew Dan Cleary, Abdelkader, and Quincy were all swedish

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Kronwall is now 2nd in points in the league among defencemen. That's very good.

In the years passed Kronwall has never been great or even good defensively and it has been pointed out many times that he needs a steady defensive Dman. Can Lashoff be that? He is young and has played a very few NHL games, but this is what Babcock says/thinks of Lashoff:
lashoff may be steady in the future, but currently, his positioning is weak.

ericsson sucked a few years ago, but he is the most dependable defender now.

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02-24-2013, 12:19 PM
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The only thing that is going to help Kronwall is the Wings acquiring a true #1 Dman so Kronwall, and every other Dman on the Wings for that matter, then get slotted where they're are supposed to be.
This perfectly sums up exactly how I feel about this defense. We are expecting just about everyone to play a bigger role than they are capable, and should have to play, and it shows.

And the worst part is we knew Lidstrom was in his 40's, Stuart wanted to go back to California, and Rafalski was playing on one knee. And we were not proactive at all. Signed 0 impact free agent defensemen and made 0 impact trades. We knew it was coming and sat there and took it.

That's what happen when you are reactive and not proactive.

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02-24-2013, 12:21 PM
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And the worst part is we knew Lidstrom was in his 40's, Stuart wanted to go back to California, and Rafalski was playing on one knee. And we were not proactive at all. Signed 0 impact free agent defensemen and made 0 impact trades. We knew it was coming and sat there and took it.

That's what happen when you are reactive and not proactive.
They didn't end up getting any UFAs, which sucks, but they went after Jovanovski, Suter, Salo, and traded for Quincey.

Not sure what you're talking about.

Trying and failing is still being proactive.

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02-24-2013, 12:26 PM
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They didn't end up getting any UFAs, which sucks, but they went after Jovanovski, Suter, Salo, and traded for Quincey.

Not sure what you're talking about.

Trying and failing is still being proactive.
Yeah I guess. Not a big fan of participation trophies but whatever.

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02-24-2013, 12:35 PM
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This perfectly sums up exactly how I feel about this defense. We are expecting just about everyone to play a bigger role than they are capable, and should have to play, and it shows.

And the worst part is we knew Lidstrom was in his 40's, Stuart wanted to go back to California, and Rafalski was playing on one knee. And we were not proactive at all. Signed 0 impact free agent defensemen and made 0 impact trades. We knew it was coming and sat there and took it.

That's what happen when you are reactive and not proactive.
But putting players over their head is exactly what many of the board want. You know, to see what we have. How can we tell what we have unless we throw them in the deep end and all of that horse crap. And act like we don't scout and evaluate players.

Who would you have realistically signed? Keep us under the cap BTW and find contracts/trades that wouldn't infuriate the HF board. GOOD LUCK!

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The one thing I like about Holland is that he seems to balance short term and long term planning pretty well. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for not doing much to shore up the defense this year. I guess the short term fix was too costly for the long term.

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But putting players over their head is exactly what many of the board want. You know, to see what we have. How can we tell what we have unless we throw them in the deep end and all of that horse crap.
That is a very fair point, but it is a double-edged sword and a gamble. Also putting defenders over their head is a much bigger risk than forwards in my opinion. People want Nyquist and Tatar to play bigger roles. If they come up and don't produce points it doesn't hurt nearly as much as defenders making bone-headed mistakes that turn into goals.

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Who would you have realistically signed? Keep us under the cap BTW and find contracts/trades that wouldn't infuriate the HF board. GOOD LUCK!
Look I'm not trying to act like I am an NHL GM. I'm just saying given the cap space we have had the last 2 years and the fact that we knew 3 guys basically had a foot out the door, to have the roster we ice every night right now defensively is unacceptable. I don't doubt that he tried to make some things happen, but ultimately he didn't. And that's his job.

Even if you don't make any moves we should have played Smith all of last year, so he is a better player this year. That would have helped a bunch.

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That is a very fair point, but it is a double-edged sword and a gamble. Also putting defenders over their head is a much bigger risk than forwards in my opinion. People want Nyquist and Tatar to play bigger roles. If they come up and don't produce points it doesn't hurt nearly as much as defenders making bone-headed mistakes that turn into goals.



Look I'm not trying to act like I am an NHL GM. I'm just saying given the cap space we have had the last 2 years and the fact that we knew 3 guys basically had a foot out the door, to have the roster we ice every night right now defensively is unacceptable. I don't doubt that he tried to make some things happen, but ultimately he didn't. And that's his job.

Even if you don't make any moves we should have played Smith all of last year, so he is a better player this year. That would have helped a bunch.
Maybe Smith could have played more and it might have helped him a bit. But I think in the small sample that I've seen from him he's looking like he's on the right track. Maybe that's because he played a lot of time in GR last year too.

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Maybe Smith could have played more and it might have helped him a bit. But I think in the small sample that I've seen from him he's looking like he's on the right track. Maybe that's because he played a lot of time in GR last year too.
Playing in GR could have helped him last year, only reason I think last year would have been of a great benefit to play more games on the Wings was because Lidstrom was still there.

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For all the hate he gets you wouldnt know hes leading all the D in the league in scoring....

Hes doing alright, he hasnt had any studs to play with but maybe Ericcson will turn that around because Ericcson is a stud defensively

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02-25-2013, 12:35 AM
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Ericsson is sooooo far from being a stud defensively.
Kronwall is doing well for 3 games.

Overall this year, he's sucked. Hard.

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Ericsson is sooooo far from being a stud defensively.
Kronwall is doing well for 3 games.

Overall this year, he's sucked. Hard.
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Kronwall leads the league in scoring. 8-3 against Vancouver, "Zettwall strikes again!" as they put it in Swedish media. And now Andersson and Nyquist soon to be permanent on the team, must be tough times for thoose who hate Swedes


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I am more than happy with his game so far this season. I also think it might be good to pair him with Ericsson.
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Kronwall is now 2nd in points in the league among defencemen. That's very good.

In the years passed Kronwall has never been great or even good defensively and it has been pointed out many times that he needs a steady defesnive Dman. Can Lashoff be that? He is young and has played a very few NHL games, but this is what Babcock says/thinks of Lashoff:
Kronwall is great offensively, but there is no secret he is weak defensively.
What I think is he needs a stay at home Dman so that he can play as he likes offensively and dishes hits, then he is at his best.

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Really looking better with Ericsson now. Hopefully this continues.

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I'm not holding my breath for him to become something he's not, but he can play better defense than he's played in the first 19 games. A lot of them are just careless mistakes and has nothing to do with what type of defenseman you are.

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He plays best with Ericsson, who is much more reponsible now (amazing how he was the number 1 whipping boy last season). Lashoff isn't a top 4 defenseman let alone a top pairing defensmen. He's good as the stay at home 6th defenseman who plays the PK and can eat up minutes (kind of like Ericsson last year).

The pairings last night were the best fit IMO. Kronwall-Ericsson, Kindl-Huskins (this pairing was surprisingly good) and Lashoff-White. Lashoff goes back to GR when everyone is healthy. Do they waive Huskins then? He's actually played pretty well. I wouldn't mind letting Cola go tbh. Injured all the time and we have enough defensemen in the system that can play the exact same role.

Kronwall - Ericsson
Kindl - Smith
Quincey - White
Huskins

Maybe switch Smith and Ericsson.


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Kronwall is never going to be a shut-down or ice-controlling all-around defenseman, in the same mold as Lidstrom or even a light version of him. He's an offensive defenseman who can dish out big hits and can be beaten defensively, like Dion Phaneuf (or at least when Phaneuf was somewhat good). That's still pretty good in a league where the number of all-around stars has dwindled and there are a lot more specialists, but the weaknesses in his game are not just going to magically go away.

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I'm not holding my breath for him to become something he's not, but he can play better defense than he's played in the first 19 games. A lot of them are just careless mistakes and has nothing to do with what type of defenseman you are.

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He plays best with Ericsson who is much more reponsible now (amazing how he was the number 1 whipping boy only last season). Lashoff isn't a top 4 defenseman let alone a top pairing defensmean. He's good as the stay at home 6th defenseman who plays the PK and can eat up minutes (kind of like Ericsson last year).

The pairings last night were the best fit IMO. Kronwall-Ericsson, Kindl-Huskins (this pairing were surprisingly good) and Lashoff-White. Lashoff goes back to GR when everyone is healthy. Do they waive Huskins then. He's actually played pretty well. I wouldn't mind letting Cola go tbh. Injured all the time and he have enough defenseman in the system that can play the exact same role.

Kronwall - Ericsson
Kindl - Smith
Quincey - White
Huskins

Maybe switch Smith and Ericsson.
It will be interesting to see what Babcock does. Kronwall can't baby-sit Lashoff.

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He's been way better since getting away from Lashoff. Now it looks like Ian White is going to be dragged down by him.

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I'm not holding my breath for him to become something he's not, but he can play better defense than he's played in the first 19 games. A lot of them are just careless mistakes and has nothing to do with what type of defenseman you are.
Yeah, I agree with this. Ericsson is a top pairing d-man and I think pairing him with Kronwall is clearly working out the best.

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Yeah, I agree with this. Ericsson is a top pairing d-man and I think pairing him with Kronwall is clearly working out the best.
Who was that guy in this board who said that Kronwall should be put with a steady stay-at-home defenceman who has a good point shot? Just like Ericsson.

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I don't care what your biased Swedish media thinks.

Kronwall has sucked.

Up until 3 games ago, he was the most disappointing player on this team. Cleary got a lot of the hate-- but nobody serious has expectations of Cleary.

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Kronwall is great offensively, but there is no secret he is weak defensively.
What I think is he needs a stay at home Dman so that he can play as he likes offensively and dishes hits, then he is at his best.
Kronwall needs a competent player. Not Lashoff.
The problem is that even with Ericsson, the pairing is suspect

Kronwall is not as bad defensively as he as looked thus far. Losing Stuart hurt Kronwalll.

Before the season i said I think we're going to score lots of goals and that kronwall will replace Lidstrom quite easily on the PP>
It took Kronwall time to get going. But he's getting there.

But defensively, he's been much worse than I could have expected in this bigger role.

I expected Kronwall to suck on the PK. He always has.

What's disturbing is how be he is at even strength.

Even playing regular shifts with the Zetterberg and Datsyuk lines, he's not producing that much. And he's giving up a ton of goals.

Kronwall has 6 even strength points.
Ericsson 8.
Kindl 5.

Just like Lidstrom did in his later years, he's going to feast of a powerplay.
And people are going to see point totals and think"Wow, he's doing a great job."

Fans who watch the game and who aren't here trying to spin will know the truth.

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