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02-12-2013, 07:20 AM
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Someone will sign him to a 5 year 32.5 million dollar deal and I hope that team is the Boston Bruins.
Please no. Semin wouldnt last 5 mins in juliens system

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02-12-2013, 07:23 AM
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11 games, 3 goals, 7 assists, 10 points, +10(team leading)

Seems to be playing well enough so far, what's your opinion? Is he worth his contract? Would you extend him if you were Canes GM?
Easily. It's no risk situation for Carolina. It's only one year contract and Semin is good player.

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02-12-2013, 07:24 AM
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I believe his major flaw is that the doesn't show up in the playoffs.

nothing he did this season proves that it won't be the case anymore.
Which is fine, because our goaltender does and our top two centers do. If we make the playoffs, it'll be tougher if Semin doesn't show up, but we've got the pieces to survive if that is the case.

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02-12-2013, 07:27 AM
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Which is fine, because our goaltender does and our top two centers do. If we make the playoffs, it'll be tougher if Semin doesn't show up, but we've got the pieces to survive if that is the case.
No one can win a cup with out all their best players firing on all cylinders

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02-12-2013, 07:29 AM
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The blame he took was unwarranted. However, it's true his play has historically slacked off in the playoffs. And for a team that was looking to win cups a few years in a row, fans became frustrated in general and with him.

Maybe there's something about the playoffs that hinders his ability to succeed. Maybe he'll win a Conn Smythe in Carolina. Who knows. He's been as advertised so far and we'll see what happens.

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02-12-2013, 07:43 AM
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No one can win a cup with out all their best players firing on all cylinders
I can all but guarantee that, if the Canes go on a Cup run:

1. It'll be at least 2 years earlier than expected, so any win past the first round will be gravy in the eyes of Canes fans, regardless of who's showing up or not.
2. Our defense will likely be more of a reason for a playoff exit than Semin not showing up.

The Canes goal this year is to simply make the playoffs. That's it. And with the way Semin is playing, he's helping us achieve that goal.

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Please no. Semin wouldnt last 5 mins in juliens system
if guys like krejci and marchand can manage semin will have no problem at all

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Great deal, IMO. He is now +102 over the past 5 seasons - only 4 or 5 more players have a better +/- over that span. The Canes got a steal. That said, I'm not sure I'd do more than a 3- or 4-year deal for Semin, just to keep him motivated.

BTW, how has his defensive play been, noting that he is +10?

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02-12-2013, 07:49 AM
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if guys like krejci and marchand can manage semin will have no problem at all
You need to familiarize yourself with David krejci and brad marchand

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You need to familiarize yourself with David krejci and brad marchand
You need to familiarize yourself with Alex Semin.

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Semin is a very good player in short time frames and his defense will always be a strong point for him (very underrated).

However the tougher the game, the less factor he is. I have watched him from the day he came into the league and he will revert to form.

Most importantly, he will disappear in the playoffs like he does EVERY YEAR. This is what matters to me, 51 playoff games, 15g, 19a for 34 points and the most consistent part, 46 PIMS. He is also a minus player in the playoffs.

But if the Canes are happy with him that is all that matters. I hope some team signs him long-term for 7 million per as long as it is not the Caps.

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Great deal, IMO. He is now +102 over the past 5 seasons - only 4 or 5 more players have a better +/- over that span. The Canes got a steal. That said, I'm not sure I'd do more than a 3- or 4-year deal for Semin, just to keep him motivated.

BTW, how has his defensive play been, noting that he is +10?
He volunteered to play on the penalty kill, and we have a horrible penalty kill, and he is still a +10...

I have no doubts about his 3 way play.

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But NA media said he is garbage so he must be.

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You need to familiarize yourself with Alex Semin.
I am very familiar with his
"play when I want to" approach to the game. Like another poster pointed out, teams were fighting and falling over themself to get him last year. Right?

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Semin is a very good player in short time frames and his defense will always be a strong point for him (very underrated).

However the tougher the game, the less factor he is. I have watched him from the day he came into the league and he will revert to form.

Most importantly, he will disappear in the playoffs like he does EVERY YEAR. This is what matters to me, 51 playoff games, 15g, 19a for 34 points and the most consistent part, 46 PIMS. He is also a minus player in the playoffs.

But if the Canes are happy with him that is all that matters. I hope some team signs him long-term for 7 million per as long as it is not the Caps.
Yeah, he really shies away when the game gets tough....

Which is why he now has 3 game tying or tie breaking goals this season already, and has been one of the main catalysts in Canes coming back in games all season long. He just slumps away when the going gets tough.

Yeah, the general attitude from Canadians (media and fans alike) over this guy is what I would consider borderline racist. You wouldn't see anything like this said about a North American, but because he's from Russia, he's immediately labeled and crapped upon with no real evidence to back it up, even when his play is completely counter to all the criticisms he receives.

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02-12-2013, 08:02 AM
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I am very familiar with his
"play when I want to" approach to the game. Like another poster pointed out, teams were fighting and falling over themself to get him last year. Right?
Apparently you're not familiar, then. Because he plays hard just as much as any other player. He was a terrific backchecker in Washington, and has carried that over to Carolina. He was a terrific penalty killer in Washington, and has carried that over to Carolina. You can't be lazy and backcheck hard. You can't be lazy and kill penalties.

You're simply going off of reputation. A reputation that doesn't match the player.

He's not a flawless player, obviously. He's very emotional, and can make a stupid play in the heat of the moment. He doesn't play the body much, preferring to try and take the puck away from the opponent with his stick. And the refs aren't very forgiving towards him, so he ends up taking plenty of stick penalties. But to imply that he doesn't work hard enough for Julien's system is completely laughable.

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Great player, not $7 million dollar over several years great though. In the $5-$6 million/per range would be much more comfortable. It's strange that he gets tagged as a stereotypical Russian who doesn't play defense when he may be the best two-way Russian forward besides Dastyuk.

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Yeah, he really shies away when the game gets tough....

Which is why he now has 3 game tying or tie breaking goals this season already, and has been one of the main catalysts in Canes coming back in games all season long. He just slumps away when the going gets tough.

Yeah, the general attitude from Canadians (media and fans alike) over this guy is what I would consider borderline racist. You wouldn't see anything like this said about a North American, but because he's from Russia, he's immediately labeled and crapped upon with no real evidence to back it up, even when his play is completely counter to all the criticisms he receives.
100% agree. The way they went after Semin and Ovechkin was beyond the pale.

I love Semin and defended him almost pathologically on the Caps board. But he will disappear for long stretches and completely in the playoffs.

Try to find a goal Alex Semin has ever scored that mattered, you can't do it.

Maybe this year will be different.

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Semin is a very good player in short time frames and his defense will always be a strong point for him (very underrated).

However the tougher the game, the less factor he is. I have watched him from the day he came into the league and he will revert to form.

Most importantly, he will disappear in the playoffs like he does EVERY YEAR. This is what matters to me, 51 playoff games, 15g, 19a for 34 points and the most consistent part, 46 PIMS. He is also a minus player in the playoffs.
BS.
HFBoardly-loved Backstrom has 40 points in 50 games, playing with Ovechkin, and also 36 PIMs.
Semin has 6 less points playing with scrubs and he "disappears".


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Try to find a goal Alex Semin has ever scored that mattered, you can't do it.
Game Tying goal against Buffalo (started a 3rd period comeback Canes win)


Tie Breaking goal against Islanders last night. (Canes won to take SE Division lead)


Also tied up the most recent game against Ottawa with less than 8 minutes left in the game... Canes won in Overtime.

So those are 3 goals that he scored that directly led to the Canes getting at least one additional point in the standings. You say he doesn't score goals that matter. I say you're full of crap.

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BTW, how has his defensive play been, noting that he is +10?
He's been terrific defensively. He uses his stick as well as anyone I've seen lately, stripping the puck off opponents and pushing it up ice in transition. He's a huge part of why Eric Staal hasn't done his normal slow start routine this year, not just offensively but because he's out there actively taking the puck away from opponents and increasing the Hurricanes' possession time.

It's kind of astonishing to see a player who's really good at defense, and still gets crapped on for not having a two-way game.

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100% agree. The way they went after Semin and Ovechkin was beyond the pale.

I love Semin and defended him almost pathologically on the Caps board. But he will disappear for long stretches and completely in the playoffs.

Try to find a goal Alex Semin has ever scored that mattered, you can't do it.

Maybe this year will be different.
Are you a Caps fan?


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Do people around here seriously believe the Canadian media ONLY attacks Russians/Euro's? It's pretty easy to cherry pick a few clips, you could find just as many attacking Canadian players, if not more.

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Finally getting the credit he deserves. Great two-way winger.
As a Caps fan it pisses me off a little to see everyone on the Semin bandwagon. Semin was a good 2-way winger in Washington, but was consistently bashed for his introverted nature. People are acting like he all of the sudden woke up and started playing defense....the one legitimate complaint about Semin has been his tendancy to take stick penalties, but his ability to take the puck away has always counterbalanced that...

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