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03-20-2013, 10:04 AM
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They could fit under the cap but it will be tight. They just need cheap bridge contracts for couple of players.

I'm sure they won't trade Gabby for two pending UFAs.

They won't take just picks as they want help now. Think Andersson, Tatar and Nyquist.

Andersson + Nyquist/Tatar and 1st (next years).. That's what some Rangers fans said would be enough. Flip + Andersson and 1st 2014 would be better for pour POV, imo and would help Rangers more right now.
I'm definitely against trading our 1st rounder this year anywhere. We still have a huge risk to sink deep and the becoming draft is great. It's a great incurance. Rangers wanting a 1st and being on win-mode does not also fit very well together. I think they would want something else.

Like last year, when Holland traded our 1st for Quincey, we were 2nd in the standings. Holland traded a pick that had 29th pick value. (People will always looking afterwards that Tampa got Vasilevski with that 19th pick and he will probably be the next franchise goalie for the Lighting and Holland is so stupid and lost that franchise goalie Yzerman picked...)

But that value of a 29th pick was the reason why Buffalo rejected a trade for Gaustad, because Nashville was lower at standings and had higher possible pick to offer. Holland said this by himself afterwards. He did not want to add anything but Det 1st for Gaustad to refuse overpayment.

After the trade the injuries would hit, Helm, Datsyuk and Lidström out, and we dropped in the standings behind the Predators, so the final position for that Quincey-trade-1st was 19th pick. All in all, the Nashville pick was lower at season end (21th), so Buffalo did the "wrong" choise. But of course, Holland and Regier couldn't predict that Red Wings would sink with their injury bug on that trade time, cause it happened after those trades.

Now, at this season, we have 11th best points percentage (kind of 20th pick) in the league, but the rest of the season will be loaded heavily with tough road games and our game isn't looking great. Our ship could sink again, it's one injury away for either Howard, Datsyuk or Zetterberg to happen.

Our own 1st pick is the best security for ourselves. If we sank, we get a high pick with a double effect, in a great draft. If we sank under .500 we are drafting at TOP8. On other years, that woudn't be that great pick like last year, but at this year, the difference from 20-30 to TOP10 is considerably better.

So let's keep the important pick and think about Gaborik after the season. Then his price could be lower, he is a big next season salary problem for the Rangers, and we could use sign-and-trade -option for Filppula to bolster his value, or something.

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03-20-2013, 10:23 AM
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I'm definitely against trading our 1st rounder this year anywhere. We still have a huge risk to sink deep and the becoming draft is great. It's a great incurance. Rangers wanting a 1st and being on win-mode does not also fit very well together. I think they would want something else.
It was next year's first. Not this years.

They can flip that pick then to some other team, where they would get a player(s) who would fill a need for them better.

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I really wonder if it would be possible to pry Volchenkov out of New Jersey. I know he has an NTC, but man, would he be the best yin to Kronwall's yang or what?

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I really wonder if it would be possible to pry Volchenkov out of New Jersey. I know he has an NTC, but man, would he be the best yin to Kronwall's yang or what?
He has Lebda-like puck moving skills now. Can't skate.

He's a pk-specialist at this point. Good shot blocker. Can't hit anymore bc he's so slow.

And contract that goes on for 3 more years after this one at 4.25..

Volch in Ottawa.. hell yes.. The one in NJ right now.. I'd stay away.

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03-20-2013, 10:37 AM
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He has Lebda-like puck moving skills now. Can't skate.
As long as he can pass it off to Kronwall or Smith and play a stay-at-home role, I don't think it matters as much, really.

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Well he does lead the Devils defense in hits...

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And contract that goes on for 3 more years after this one at 4.25..
Which will probably turn out to be a decent value.

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Volch in Ottawa.. hell yes.. The one in NJ right now.. I'd stay away.
I haven't watched the East much this year, so I can't properly debate other than quoting stats; however, if the Wings are going to continue playing "Defense by Committee," he probably wouldn't be a bad guy to have for the next few years.


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03-20-2013, 11:08 AM
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Like last year, when Holland traded our 1st for Quincey, we were 2nd in the standings. Holland traded a pick that had 29th pick value. (People will always looking afterwards that Tampa got Vasilevski with that 19th pick and he will probably be the next franchise goalie for the Lighting and Holland is so stupid and lost that franchise goalie Yzerman picked...)

But that value of a 29th pick was the reason why Buffalo rejected a trade for Gaustad, because Nashville was lower at standings and had higher possible pick to offer. Holland said this by himself afterwards. He did not want to add anything but Det 1st for Gaustad to refuse overpayment.

After the trade the injuries would hit, Helm, Datsyuk and Lidström out, and we dropped in the standings behind the Predators, so the final position for that Quincey-trade-1st was 19th pick. All in all, the Nashville pick was lower at season end (21th), so Buffalo did the "wrong" choise. But of course, Holland and Regier couldn't predict that Red Wings would sink with their injury bug on that trade time, cause it happened after those trades.
I don't recall Holland ever admitting that he offered a first for Gaustad.

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03-20-2013, 11:19 AM
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Based on what?

Personally, I'd like to pay Fil about $4.3M a year for 5 years.
But he's a UFA If he hits the market -- even with the cap going down -- if he hits the market, he's easily going to get $5M.

So then what do we do with that $5M we saved? Who should we spend it on? Danny Cleary and Drew Miller? Who is left on the market?

I don't want to spend $5M on Howard either, but how much will a replacement cost?

It would be best for the Wings to pay a little more annually and save a year on term.

Maybe if you get a 4 year $20M deal... by the end, Tatar or Nyquist have proven themselves and are going to make the big money.

I think the 7 and 8 year deals should go only to your grade A players....

I'd rather pay a little more on your cap hit and have the flexibility of short deals. when it comes to 2nd tier guys like Flip.
Exactly. Not paying Fil - if it happens - will end up biting us in the ass because there aren't many serviceable top-six forwards available via free agency. I'd be perfectly fine with 4 years @ $20M or 5 years @ $22.5M. But nothing over 5 years or $5M.

And you don't sign 4th line wingers - who are RFA's - to 4 year deals at almost $2M per. Holland needs to stop giving expensive long-term contracts to 3rd liners, unless its someone like Helm. Signing Samuelsson and extending Gator to those terrible contracts is dumb and ignorant. Holland's roster and cap management have been autrocious.

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03-20-2013, 11:20 AM
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I don't recall Holland ever admitting that he offered a first for Gaustad.
Ugh, with that Brunner avatar and the word "troll" above it, I now cannot unsee him as "trollface."

Just... thanks. Thanks a lot for that.

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03-20-2013, 11:23 AM
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Exactly. Not paying Fil - if it happens - will end up biting us in the ass because there aren't many serviceable top-six forwards available via free agency. I'd be perfectly fine with 4 years @ $20M or 5 years @ $22.5M. But nothing over 5 years or $5M.
$4.25m x 5 years would be more than fair for him and still allow for some roster flexibility if DHO is still shopping for a bigger-name signing.

As long as he stays in the top-6 at wing (or improves at 2nd-line center) that is.

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03-20-2013, 11:30 AM
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Well he does lead the Devils defense in hits...
Whenever he tires to go for a big hit, he gets out of position.


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Which will probably turn out to be a decent value.
I doubt it. Strongly.

I was for Franzen Volch swap before the season started but not anymore.

And I still want to get rid off Franzen.

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03-20-2013, 11:46 AM
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Whenever he tires to go for a big hit, he gets out of position.
Really, as long as he plays a tough, gritty, physical game, I couldn't care less how many "big hits" he has. Let Kronwall do the "Kronwalling."


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I doubt it. Strongly.

I was for Franzen Volch swap before the season started but not anymore.

And I still want to get rid off Franzen.

Heh, you and me both.

It makes me wonder if Volchenkov is still suffering a bit from that fractured ankle he received in the KHL; maybe he'll be able rehab it more in the off-season and get some mobility back.

Regardless, we'd have someone on the team to call "Voltron," and that's a win in my book any day.

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Mike Komisarek on waivers -- any interest?

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Based on what?

Personally, I'd like to pay Fil about $4.3M a year for 5 years.
But he's a UFA If he hits the market -- even with the cap going down -- if he hits the market, he's easily going to get $5M.

So then what do we do with that $5M we saved? Who should we spend it on? Danny Cleary and Drew Miller? Who is left on the market?

I don't want to spend $5M on Howard either, but how much will a replacement cost?

It would be best for the Wings to pay a little more annually and save a year on term.

Maybe if you get a 4 year $20M deal... by the end, Tatar or Nyquist have proven themselves and are going to make the big money.

I think the 7 and 8 year deals should go only to your grade A players....

I'd rather pay a little more on your cap hit and have the flexibility of short deals. when it comes to 2nd tier guys like Flip.
Ok, maybe 4 mill but definitely nor 5 mill whatsoever. Howard is a different argument. Goalies are harder to replace, someone like Filppula could be replaced with Nyquist, Tatar or Jarnkrok and i bet we wouldnt miss a beat with what he provides. He hustles, he can play in all zones, all situations. Great, grand but he cant finish, he's inconsistent, doesnt make the best of choices and IMHO he's a 50 point guy. I would never pay 5 million for him even if the cap was 70 mill.

No *** way do you even think about bringing back Cleary or Miller. The time to bring in youth is now. You take that 5 mill and save it. You have no idea how many teams are going to be/forced to slash player contracts. The market will be better than most think.

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Mike Komisarek on waivers -- any interest?
4.5 million caphit for 2 years, no thank you.

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Exactly. Not paying Fil - if it happens - will end up biting us in the ass because there aren't many serviceable top-six forwards available via free agency. I'd be perfectly fine with 4 years @ $20M or 5 years @ $22.5M. But nothing over 5 years or $5M.

And you don't sign 4th line wingers - who are RFA's - to 4 year deals at almost $2M per. Holland needs to stop giving expensive long-term contracts to 3rd liners, unless its someone like Helm. Signing Samuelsson and extending Gator to those terrible contracts is dumb and ignorant. Holland's roster and cap management have been autrocious.
You do understand there's going to be quite a few teams forcing to cut ties with players to get back under the cap, right?

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I don't recall Holland ever admitting that he offered a first for Gaustad.
There was an MLive article, where he said it between the lines, "other teams were offering higher picks etc. because of our position in the standings", then our 1st was second lowest.

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4.5 million caphit for 2 years, no thank you.
Yeah, that's the real shame of it all.

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You do understand there's going to be quite a few teams forcing to cut ties with players to get back under the cap, right?
Which players?

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Which players?
Who knows, but there's a lot of teams that will want to rid themselves and get some cap relief. TSN Radio, per Dreger, Pierre, Duthie and Bobby Mac have all said it over the past month on the radio that a lot of teams will excise the use of the Amnesty.

Edit: All you have to do is look at capgeek. 3 teams are already over where the cap will be next year, 3 more are with 10 million of the cap and no one has a full squad all locked up for next season. Pretty apparent teams will drop/buyout players.

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4.5 million caphit for 2 years, no thank you.
Wrong It's only 1 more year after this current season through 2013-2014 free agent after that It's not 2 more years this season Is just about over in another month.

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Wrong It's only 1 more year after this current season through 2013-2014 free agent after that It's not 2 more years this season Is just about over in another month.
You are absolutely right, but the 2013/2014 cap hit is toxic enough for the Red Wings, so they better stay away from claiming Komisarek. Having said that, I assume that his NMC has only been waived for the Maple Leafs waiving him today, or could the Red Wings waive him again after successfully claiming him?

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Yeah, that's the real shame of it all.
If Leafs buy him out this summer, and he has a good finish to the season in the AHL, I wouldn't mind giving him a try out. I think that if he works on his skating he could be a fine 3rd pairing/ #7 type of guy. He is a pylon right now though. So slow. Commits hooking and holding penalties literally every shift, refs just don't call it every time. Would've given Hatcher a run for his money in terms of thug Dman in the dead puck era. But if he gets his footspeed up, I think he could be a good crease clearer with a fast PMD paired with him. Doubt we ever go for him though, and we already have many better options within the organization anyway.

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You are absolutely right, but the 2013/2014 cap hit is toxic enough for the Red Wings, so they better stay away from claiming Komisarek. Having said that, I assume that his NMC has only been waived for the Maple Leafs waiving him today, or could the Red Wings waive him again after successfully claiming him?

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Well according to Capgeek he has a limited NMC So from what I read Is that he could give a list of a few teams that he would like to get traded to. So It sounds like If the Wings were to aquire him they could still move him at a later date. And I do agree with you that his deal Is toxic and the Wings should stay clear of It.

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Exactly. NO THANK YOU!!!

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