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02-13-2013, 07:20 AM
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i would do smith, nyquist and jurco, but i think it would take even more
Massive overpayment Batman.

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i would do smith, nyquist and jurco, but i think it would take even more
Good god, he's gotten 50 points once in his career, if we're given that up we better be getting either a #2 dman with #1 potential, or a #1 center with constant 70+ points.

I'm not sure if anyone else reads hockeybuzz (I know it's Eklund, but hear me out) Eklund said in his recent update that if Getzlaf makes FA the wings have a plan in place to go after him. What do you think we'd offer him?

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Another source, this one in the midwest says, "I know the Red Wings and Islanders each have a contingency plan in place to go after Ryan if the Ducks don't lock him up."
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Kindl + 2nd for Hamrlik + 4th?
WHY?

Why would you trade a decent young-ish defenseman for an older not-an-upgrade and drop your pick two rounds to do it?

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Yeah, Mike Green's huge season was some sort of statistical anomaly. A result of the system that Boudreau had running successfully for most of that season. Many Capitals consistently scored at a pretty high pace, I wouldn't count on it to happen again and certainly not under our current system.
I'd bet money that if you put Green in the same role with the same system and the same players playing their same roles under that system, you'd see huge numbers from Green, Ovechkin, and Backstrom that we aren't seeing currently.

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02-13-2013, 08:21 AM
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We forgot about the best fit for Detroit guys. Ryan O'Reilly has played his last game in Colorado apparently says all the insiders and he will be traded.

Hes a Detroit style center that at the age of 20 put up 55 points and is a selke calibre defender. He could be a 2nd line center the wings need and then play Datsyuk and Zetterberg together. Hes the type of guy the wings could clear out some awesome prospects for and I wouldnt be upset at all.

A big Canadian center that plays amazing defense and can produce 60 points. Hes young which is they big part. Outside of Smith because the wings need D I would say bye to any prospect for him without question plus more
Although, it would be nice to have ROR, we don't need another center. We're fine down the middle. I think we need a top 2 defensive-defenseman, but I don't believe we're willing to give up what it would take to acquire one. Guys like that don't make it to free agency these days so we would likely have to trade for one.

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02-13-2013, 08:28 AM
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Getting ROR will be tough.

We will have to offer them something good, and no one likes giving away something good.

The problem is, he wants to be a top line center. In Detroit he would be the 3rd line center.

That being stated, we would likely have to give Colorado Helm++ or Helm (+good prospect)

I like Helm a lot, do not ever want to see him traded, but ROR is good, and is better than helm overall, even though Helm has PK and checking ability unmatched by anyone.

I honestly think ROR would like a 2nd line center role, and thus will choose a team weaker down the center, Toronto is a better match for him.

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Good god, he's gotten 50 points once in his career, if we're given that up we better be getting either a #2 dman with #1 potential, or a #1 center with constant 70+ points.

I'm not sure if anyone else reads hockeybuzz (I know it's Eklund, but hear me out) but Eklund said in his recent update that if Getzlaf makes FA the wings have a plan in place to go after him. What do you think we'd offer him?



http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...3#.URuY66Xm5Mk
I think it would be a minimum of what Dats makes ($6.7m) and maybe higher. He's off a PPG pace for the second season in a row, but he's also huge, won a cup, and has been a consistent PPG in the past. Signing him will probably entail making compiance buyouts of Sammy and one of Bert/Quincey, just to clear salary space (or trade, obviously), and it could still put a hurt on trying to re-sign Flip, Brunner, and Howard.

On the problems that are nice to have side, do you run Z, D, & Getzlaf out centering different lines, or do you move one to wing?

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02-13-2013, 09:55 AM
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Agreed! Nyquist and Jurco have bright futures
O'Reilly put up 55 points in the NHL while playing amazing defensively, Jurco in the AHL has 12 points in 45 games at the same age as when O'Reilly did that.

I think Nyquist is going to be awesome but getting O'Reilly would help now and would probably be a wash for the future. Nyquist is actually a couple years older

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Although, it would be nice to have ROR, we don't need another center. We're fine down the middle. I think we need a top 2 defensive-defenseman, but I don't believe we're willing to give up what it would take to acquire one. Guys like that don't make it to free agency these days so we would likely have to trade for one.
I think the wings need to acquire young talent period. When it becomes available they should be all over it. A Bobby Ryan or O'Reilly is what they should look at or dont make any moves (Young dmen would be good as well)

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02-13-2013, 10:05 AM
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WHY?

Why would you trade a decent young-ish defenseman for an older not-an-upgrade and drop your pick two rounds to do it?
I wouldn't go out of my way to make this trade if I was the GM, I just see it as the type of trade Ken would make.

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02-13-2013, 10:22 AM
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Massive overpayment Batman.
i think this is the kind of package they're gonna need to move him to detroit. even if he stays as a 50-60 point player, he's more valuable than that. he can be first unit PK, take defensive zone draws, and take the puck away from opponents at a high clip. like datsyuk, just by virtue of being out there, we're going to possess the puck more. that means relying less on our mediocre defense.

guys like this rarely become available

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02-13-2013, 10:58 AM
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i think this is the kind of package they're gonna need to move him to detroit. even if he stays as a 50-60 point player, he's more valuable than that. he can be first unit PK, take defensive zone draws, and take the puck away from opponents at a high clip. like datsyuk, just by virtue of being out there, we're going to possess the puck more. that means relying less on our mediocre defense.

guys like this rarely become available
I'd rather keep Smith, Nyquist and Jurco and just promote Sheahan. ROR isn'tgoing to be a star.

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Tough call. I'm currently leaning to do nothing and let the season play out. Our youth has done well enough I'm not going to panic. Dould we use a bottom 6 C? Yeah, could we use a legit top 2 D? Yeah. The obstacles are the overabundance of bodies currently under contract or ready for full time nhl duty. What player should we target at the deadline? A better answer will come when we're two-ish weeks away. Then our place in the standings and our injury report will pare down potential targets.

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Sproul + 1st + Quincey + Eaves for Green.


And if the Wings are in contention at the deadline and Kings are not (and if Kindl isn't in the plans)
Kindl and Mursak for Scuderi

Kronwall Green
Ericsson White
Scuderi Smith

And honestly, I'm still looking for a RHD for the PK

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Sproul isn't worth giving up just for a fringe shot at winning the Cup.

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02-13-2013, 11:25 AM
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Sproul isn't worth giving up just for a fringe shot at winning the Cup.
Green isn't 35 years old.

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Sproul + 1st + Quincey + Eaves for Green.


And if the Wings are in contention at the deadline and Kings are not (and if Kindl isn't in the plans)
Kindl and Mursak for Scuderi

Kronwall Green
Ericsson White
Scuderi Smith

And honestly, I'm still looking for a RHD for the PK
I'd do that deal for Green if it included Cleary and not a 1st

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I'd bet money that if you put Green in the same role with the same system and the same players playing their same roles under that system, you'd see huge numbers from Green, Ovechkin, and Backstrom that we aren't seeing currently.
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. If you put them in those roles, they'd more than likely flourish but that system is long gone for the Caps and we do not employ what they used to use.

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Sproul + 1st + Quincey + Eaves for Green.
Please. We gave Quincey up for a 1st round and threw 3.775 mil at him for this year and a next. He's not going anywhere, and if by chance someone else does want to take a flyer on him, it wouldn't be the Caps. They've already 8 NHL dmen signed for this season and that's not factoring in Orlov either. Hold onto Sproul, let him develop and get his feet wet in the minors before volleying for a quick fix soultion. Mike Green won't put this team over the top.

Hell, I don't want to admit it but I'd go so far to say that Quincey could have negative value, too.

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Sproul + 1st + Quincey + Eaves for Green.


And if the Wings are in contention at the deadline and Kings are not (and if Kindl isn't in the plans)
Kindl and Mursak for Scuderi

Kronwall Green
Ericsson White
Scuderi Smith

And honestly, I'm still looking for a RHD for the PK
Yeah, pass.

I'd rather trade some of our excess/fringe NHLers (Mursak, Kindl, Miller, Lashoff, Emmerton, Cleary, etc.) for additional draft picks. Then go after UFAs for "free" in the offseason and trade for support players when they become available and we seem like top contenders.

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i would do smith, nyquist and jurco, but i think it would take even more
Your talent analysis in terms of value is probably one of the worst to date i've seen.

So you're looking at a potential top 3 dman, 2-way second liner and a boom or bust top 6 skilled player for probably a borderline 2nd line centerman/better third line centerman? come on, guy.

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Nothing.

These will be Ken Holland's go to excuses.

Price was too high

We like our team

You pick the excuse that makes you the least angry.
"Price was too high" [...] Holland could have traded both Helm and Smith by now, but for some reason, he is holding on to them. Not sure why. He should trade them so he can't use the "Price was too high" excuse anymore.

"We like our team" maybe he does like this team better with Helm and Smith on it?

The point is, according to Ken Daniels, other teams that want to deal with Holland want Helm and/or Smith in return. That's when Holland says "thanks but no thanks", and hangs up the telephone.

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Green isn't 35 years old.
No, but his body is.

Sorry, ill pass until Green can hit 40+ points again while playing 75+ games 2 years in a row.

My want list does not = realistic possibility.

-Nick Foligno (CBJ)
-Mark Streit (decent, could help our ****** PP)
-Zach Bogosian (WPG)
-Mark Stuart (WPG)
-Ryan O'Reilly, but unlike someone else, i am not willing to mortgage 100 assets of value for him.

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I still like the caps as sellers because I think they are going to blow the team up and start over. Soft goalies and top heavy scoring with 0 players in the minors. Like you guys think with Detroit only accurate.

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I still like the caps as sellers because I think they are going to blow the team up and start over. Soft goalies and top heavy scoring with 0 players in the minors. Like you guys think with Detroit only accurate.
Their big guns aren't willing to do whatever it takes to win, like Z and Dats are. That is the biggest difference. Ovechkin and Backstrom are incredibly skilled, but if they aren't scoring, they aren't good for much else.

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Yandle is too pricey to be a guy that doesn't play on the penalty kill at all. And I really mean AT ALL.

He has less total PK minutes in his NHL career, than Lidström had at last season in his reduced role. 5 million for so one-sided guy without real Norris talent is not a good deal or trade.

I would like to add a great 1st PP quarterback, but not for that price. 1-dimension PP specialist shouldn't be getting more than 3 million.
Eh, Schneider and Rafi never played on the PK either. You are bringing him in to fill our most glaring need: a high end offensive defenseman. Put him on the left side and pair him with Big E and the top pairing is set for a long time. Don't worry, it ain't happening, the Wings do not make blockbuster trades now that there is a salary cap.

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Eh, Schneider and Rafi never played on the PK either. You are bringing him in to fill our most glaring need: a high end offensive defenseman. Put him on the left side and pair him with Big E and the top pairing is set for a long time. Don't worry, it ain't happening, the Wings do not make blockbuster trades now that there is a salary cap.
That's a catch 22. Wings fans want Holland to acquire all these great impact players but only want to give up Quincey and Emmerton/Mursak.

To get, you have to give. Expect to see players like Smith and Helm to be involved in these "blockbuster" trades. DRWs don't really have worthy assets. Nyquist, Tatar, Jarnkrok all seem like potential players, but they haven't proven squat and don't have much value for blockbuster trades, unless you are including them in the package such as Smith+Helm+Jarnkrok+Nyquist for blockbuster player.

You're not getting Weber's of the world for Quincey+Emmerton and a 5th. Lol

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Yeah, pass.

I'd rather trade some of our excess/fringe NHLers (Mursak, Kindl, Miller, Lashoff, Emmerton, Cleary, etc.) for additional draft picks. Then go after UFAs for "free" in the offseason and trade for support players when they become available and we seem like top contenders.
guys everyone loves "free" things in life whether its a free blizzard at DQ or a free car wash, but its is 100% completely irresponsible for a pro sports franchise to plan to build its future through free agency.

if KH wants or feels we desperately need a young impact top pairing dman to have and to hold for the next 8 plus years, the only way we get this said player is one of two ways
-through trade
-through the draft

second, NHL trades have always and will always work like clockwork. That is to say no team sells its entire future for one player, regardless of who that player is or the reason they're being traded in the first place. So their is 0% chance KH trades Smith plus Nyquist plus Jurco plus a 1st for any player short of Crosby or Malkin.

Guys like Green and Yandle would cost a signed Filppula(or an agreement to sign) plus Kindl/Abdelkader plus a lower tier prospect(Pulk, Frk, Ferraro, etc) and maybe, maybe a 2nd or 3rd rd draft pick.

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