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02-12-2013, 07:38 AM
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if Washington decides to sell at the deadline

wash sends : Mike Green

phi sends: voraceck/simmonds, marc-andre bourdon, 2nd

idk what green's value really is with his injury history

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02-12-2013, 07:42 AM
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Mike Green is exactly what the doctor ordered for the Flyers.

Unfortunately, at the trade deadline it could be too late.

Since the Flyers need more size on the wings, Voracek should be available instead of Simmonds.

Injury woes of Mike Green are probably the deal-breaker.

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02-12-2013, 07:55 AM
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Green looks good out there and healthy again.

You have a better chance at Carlson as Boston has already begun asking about him.


With the caps surplus of future wingers Simmonds or voracek just don't seem appetizing.

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02-12-2013, 08:37 AM
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Green looks good out there and healthy again.

You have a better chance at Carlson as Boston has already begun asking about him.


With the caps surplus of future wingers Simmonds or voracek just don't seem appetizing.
Why not?

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Voracek
Forsberg-xxxxxxxxxx-Kuznetsov
Johansson-Laich-Brouwer

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Why not?

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Voracek
Forsberg-xxxxxxxxxx-Kuznetsov
Johansson-Laich-Brouwer
At the cost of the caps best defenseman? Just can't see it. Not until Carlson or Orlov show they can start the breakout with any consistency at least.

It wouldn't be good asset management even this year without the prospects penciled in. Green is just irreplaceable right now and if he weren't you wouldn't need him in Philly.

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02-12-2013, 09:03 AM
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At the cost of the caps best defenseman? Just can't see it. Not until Carlson or Orlov show they can start the breakout with any consistency at least.

It wouldn't be good asset management even this year without the prospects penciled in. Green is just irreplaceable right now and if he weren't you wouldn't need him in Philly.
Oh I wasnt saying the trade was good, just that the Caps still could use a top six winger. Wolski doesn't cut it IMO

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02-12-2013, 09:08 AM
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Oh I wasnt saying the trade was good, just that the Caps still could use a top six winger. Wolski doesn't cut it IMO
Obviously we could use one, but unless McPhee is planning a suicidal run at the playoffs this season, there isn't a pressing need. Forsberg and Kuznetsov are coming soon. There are better stopgaps than Wolski available in free agency this summer. No reason to unload Green to try and get an immediate patch.

Also, that line-up you proposed would be stupidly expensive. $4.5M 3rd line center + $3.67M 3rd line RW. Pushing Joel Ward ($3M) down to the 4th line. Forsberg will be cheap, but the mystery 2C and Kuznetsov won't be (bonuses).

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02-12-2013, 09:17 AM
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I'd say thatif Green goes one of B.Scheen/Couturier is coming back. Caps needs a 2C for the future, since I don't think/hope Ribeiro stays the whole season (assets-management-wise, he's been our best forward but is UFA on July 1st).

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Trading Green we're entering "full re-build" stage because we don't have a ready replacement on our hands and will only have on top-4 RD (Carlson), hence 1st rd pick would have to go to WSH.

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I'd say thatif Green goes one of B.Scheen/Couturier is coming back. Caps needs a 2C for the future, since I don't think/hope Ribeiro stays the whole season (assets-management-wise, he's been our best forward but is UFA on July 1st).
i don't see the flyers breaking up the schenn brothers and coots i think holds more value than an defenseman coming off back to back injuries especially after what happened with pronger

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No chance the Caps do this. They'd need to replace his minutes, and get something in addition.

If they were interested in trading him to the Flyers (which they wouldn't be), it'd have to be for at least a top-4 defenseman and a top-6 forward. So something like:

Green

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Coburn/Schenn + Simmonds/Read/Voracek/Schenn +

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Honestly. I'd trade Green for Voracek, Bourdon and a 2nd no questions asked. Green has been good this year, not Norris offense calibre Green, but that's a decent enough package to work for me.

Ovechkin - Backs/Ribs - Voracek would be a nice line.

No interest in Simmonds. Like him as a player, but I'm sick and ****ing tired of Bangers with mediocre offensive games on this team.

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02-12-2013, 09:50 AM
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No chance the Caps do this. They'd need to replace his minutes, and get something in addition.

If they were interested in trading him to the Flyers (which they wouldn't be), it'd have to be for at least a top-4 defenseman and a top-6 forward. So something like:

Green

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Coburn/Schenn + Simmonds/Read/Voracek/Schenn +
the whole point of the thread was to build to the future thats why its premised as if they were to sell, if you want a guy past his prime like coburn over a young talented prospect like bourdon thats fine with me

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No chance the Caps do this. They'd need to replace his minutes, and get something in addition.

If they were interested in trading him to the Flyers (which they wouldn't be), it'd have to be for at least a top-4 defenseman and a top-6 forward. So something like:

Green

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Coburn/Schenn + Simmonds/Read/Voracek/Schenn +
Well, thank you but that's too much to ask for.

Keep him.

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No chance the Caps do this. They'd need to replace his minutes, and get something in addition.

If they were interested in trading him to the Flyers (which they wouldn't be), it'd have to be for at least a top-4 defenseman and a top-6 forward. So something like:

Green

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Coburn/Schenn + Simmonds/Read/Voracek/Schenn +
Are we talking about a package for Ovechkin, Backstrom or Green??? That's wayyyy to much to give up for green, even if he were fully healthy

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Well, thank you but that's too much to ask for.

Keep him.
With the way he has played this year, the Caps will be happy to. They have no reason to move him. If people haven't watched many Caps games, I doubt they'll be willing to pay the asking price. Most are going to offer less based on the old stereotype that he doesn't play good defense or his recent history of injuries.

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No chance the Caps do this. They'd need to replace his minutes, and get something in addition.

If they were interested in trading him to the Flyers (which they wouldn't be), it'd have to be for at least a top-4 defenseman and a top-6 forward. So something like:

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Coburn/Schenn + Simmonds/Read/Voracek/Schenn +
Ridiculous. Highway robbery for the Caps.

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With the way he has played this year, the Caps will be happy to. They have no reason to move him. If people haven't watched many Caps games, I doubt they'll be willing to pay the asking price. Most are going to offer less based on the old stereotype that he doesn't play good defense or his recent history of injuries.
Don't get me wrong. I believe all of you when you say he played that good cause I haven't seen much of the Caps this season.

I'd be just unwilling to part with what was mentioned.

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Schenn + Scheen + something small for Green + Johansson?

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Ridiculous. Highway robbery for the Caps.
That's the type of response that I expected. If the Flyers want a player the Caps have no inclination to trade, that is the type of deal that might provide the incentive to move him.

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02-12-2013, 11:12 AM
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the whole point of the thread was to build to the future thats why its premised as if they were to sell, if you want a guy past his prime like coburn over a young talented prospect like bourdon thats fine with me
Coburn is 27...

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Schenn + Scheen + something small for Green + Johansson?
Nah, Scheen is the future of the Flyers.

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Coburn is 27...
statistics show that a hockey player's performance begins to decrease on average after 27, either through injury, fatigue, or other outliers such as entering the league at an early age. I'm not saying coburn is a bad player because he's not, maybe coburn still hasn't peaked but I think its safe to say he's not reaching 36 points again

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a. the caps are pretty happy with green. he seems to have turned the corner both health wise and with his game. he is playing legit 1d minutes against top opposition and winning the battle, see his on ice goals against. his offense and skating have returned to pre montreal series levels.

b. green is playing 26 minutes a night. he is playing first pp and first pk right now. trading him for player that replaces that would be lateral movement at best. it just doesnt make any sense.

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statistics show that a hockey player's performance begins to decrease on average after 27, either through injury, fatigue, or other outliers such as entering the league at an early age. I'm not saying coburn is a bad player because he's not, maybe coburn still hasn't peaked but I think its safe to say he's not reaching 36 points again
generic hockey players, maybe so. defensemen, certainly not. they develope later and continue at a high level far beyond the average forward. puck moving high end defensemen in particular. timonen is a perfect example of that. where was timo at 27?

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