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02-12-2013, 10:20 AM
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Ok that makes sense. Maybe our definition of a lot is slightly different. Are you saying a 1st and prospect/D'Agostini type deal? I could do that if Briere still has a decent amount left in the tank.

Maybe Briere is the forward to take the spot of a Perron/Stewart trade for a defenseman. Can Briere still play center or is he a winger now?
I believe a first and a good prospect would be a good return for Briere. If he was made available he could cost more though depending on who is in on the bidding.

Briere is at his best when he is at center. He is just a liability there with his defense. He works better with the puck on his stick coming into the offensive zone. He can play wing though, just not as offensive when on the wing as he is at center.

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02-12-2013, 10:26 AM
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Not to insult blues fans but as a flyers fan I'd want Petro in return for Coburn. Which won't happen
Insult taken.

That's like us saying, if we move Perron, Giroux better be coming the other way...

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I believe a first and a good prospect would be a good return for Briere. If he was made available he could cost more though depending on who is in on the bidding.

Briere is at his best when he is at center. He is just a liability there with his defense. He works better with the puck on his stick coming into the offensive zone. He can play wing though, just not as offensive when on the wing as he is at center.
A 1st and a prospect would be amazing from a Flyers perspective. Personally, I would take much less. The Briere talk is probably fantasy land anyway because of his NTC.

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A 1st and a prospect would be amazing from a Flyers perspective. Personally, I would take much less. The Briere talk is probably fantasy land anyway because of his NTC.
I really believe all the hype around Briere and his NTC(his ex wife, kids etc.) is a product of forum boards and social media. I think it's all overblown a little bit. I don't think it would be a major stepping stone as some people think it would be if we asked him to waive it.

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Can some fans give us a current evaluation of Briere's play and use?

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I really believe all the hype around Briere and his NTC(his ex wife, kids etc.) is a product of forum boards and social media. I think it's all overblown a little bit. I don't think it would be a major stepping stone as some people think it would be if we asked him to waive it.
Especially since in theory he would be going to a different playoff team. Hockey wise I don't think it would be a big deal. Only thing is if he really wants his kids to stay in their schools and everything.

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02-12-2013, 10:37 AM
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I really believe all the hype around Briere and his NTC(his ex wife, kids etc.) is a product of forum boards and social media. I think it's all overblown a little bit. I don't think it would be a major stepping stone as some people think it would be if we asked him to waive it.
The Flyers have been very good to Briere. I have a hard time believing he would hold up a deal to stay somewhere he was no longer wanted. Gagne was in the same boat. He will definitely give a list of teams he would go to though. Would St Louis be in it? Maybe. I doubt any team outside of the eastern time zone.

As far as his kids, he was just over playing in Berlin for 4 months so I think that is a little overblown.

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That'd be an overpayment but that is what it would take for Philly to actually give up Coburn.
This. I don't see it happening unless an overpayment is coming.

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02-12-2013, 11:47 AM
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Daniel Briere for a 1st and Jordan Schmaltz. Maybe we would also throw in a 3rd/4th rounder to even it out a little. Remember Briere wouldn't just give you a 15 game rental, he would provide production for 3 years. Both the first rounder this year and Schmaltz are a few years out.

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Daniel Briere for a 1st and Jordan Schmaltz. Maybe we would also throw in a 3rd/4th rounder to even it out a little. Remember Briere wouldn't just give you a 15 game rental, he would provide production for 3 years. Both the first rounder this year and Schmaltz are a few years out.
How old is Briere? This is essentially 2 first round picks for him. Seems like quite a bit to give up.

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02-12-2013, 11:58 AM
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How old is Briere? This is essentially 2 first round picks for him. Seems like quite a bit to give up.
He is 35, but he gives you 50-65 points per year on average nowadays. I know it's two first rounders, but both those players won't sniff the NHL probably for at least 2 years. I think it's actually a fair deal.

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He is 35, but he gives you 50-65 points per year on average nowadays. I know it's two first rounders, but both those players won't sniff the NHL probably for at least 2 years. I think it's actually a fair deal.
Per year for one or two more years maybe. This year is a deep draft as well and with the way St. Louis is playing it could be a 10-20 pick. Maybe if Philadelphia added something else I would be a little more interested.

I would like to see Briere on St. Louis, but maybe Schmaltz and something else rather than the first round this year.

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02-12-2013, 12:06 PM
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Flyers add a mid pick? 3rd rounder maybe? We dont really have much in the way of middling prospects lol. Jason Akeson? Not really much value there.

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02-12-2013, 12:12 PM
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Coburn has been pretty bad this season. He's made so many stupid mistakes and taken many dumb penalties

If the right move came along that involved Coburn, I'd be all over it
Coburn is also playing with Brutal Gervias. Cant fault him too much.

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The value is pretty fair but Philly can't part with Coburn.

Coburn is likely the only d-man the Blues would have interest in on the Flyers. Perhaps Meszaros. Is he very physical?
In the medical sense of the word.

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Flyers add a mid pick? 3rd rounder maybe? We dont really have much in the way of middling prospects lol. Jason Akeson? Not really much value there.
Take away the 2013 first round pick.

Schmaltz +....?

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02-12-2013, 01:43 PM
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i wouldn't move briere unless a 1st this year is coming back.

since st. louis' first is likely to be a late one, i don't think that's bad value at all for the blues, especially for what briere could do for you guys in the playoffs. he could put you over the top, absolutely.

what do blues fans think of Ty Rattie? i assume he's someone the Blues wouldn't have interest in dealing?

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How is it strength for strength? Philly needs blueliners, not forwards.

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i wouldn't move briere unless a 1st this year is coming back.

since st. louis' first is likely to be a late one, i don't think that's bad value at all for the blues, especially for what briere could do for you guys in the playoffs. he could put you over the top, absolutely.

what do blues fans think of Ty Rattie? i assume he's someone the Blues wouldn't have interest in dealing?
Rattie can be had if he's in a package for Coburn.

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How is it strength for strength? Philly needs blueliners, not forwards.
we have blue liners...we need BETTER blue liners. with coburn being one of the ones worth keeping, it doesn't make sense to trade him.

we also have a dire need for a good goalscoring winger that isn't hobbit sized.

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Rattie can be had if he's in a package for Coburn.
i'd entertain that actually... just don't know if we can afford to lose coburn. this defense would go from bad to absolutely hilarious without him.

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i'd entertain that actually... just don't know if we can afford to lose coburn. this defense would go from bad to absolutely hilarious without him.
Are you guys interested in Perron?

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Are you guys interested in Perron?
i wouldn't mind perron. i think he's more of the same of what we have though. our biggest need among our forward group is a pure goalscorer/finisher. someone with a good shot that can find open ice and create space for giroux to work. idk that perron brings that.

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Stewart & Schmaltz/Cole for Coburn.

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Stewart & Schmaltz/Cole for Coburn.
Schmaltz not Cole and I'd be ok with that basis. Small pieces to balance if needed.

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