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View Poll Results: How do the Panthers respond to being shut out for the first time this season?
By responding with their own shut out 4 16.67%
Winning the game in heartbreaking fashion for the Caps 7 29.17%
Losing 12 50.00%
By being shut out again 1 4.17%
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What do I mean by bail us out? That Clemmer takes the puck up ice and scores a goal? I obviously means he stops the puck which by that I mean make a save.
Usually when "bail out" is said in the context of a game, it's to describe a goalie stealing points for his team that they have no business getting. That's what I thought you were trying to say.

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the duo played the best they could last year. It was to much to ask they play lights out at this age again.


Team GP 5 on 5 5 on 4 5 on 3 4 on 4 4 on 3 3 on 3 3 on 4 3 on 5 4 on 5 EN PS Total GA/G
1-30 of 30 results. 1
1 OTTAWA 13 14 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 5 1 0 22 1.69
2 NASHVILLE 13 14 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 6 0 1 23 1.77
3 CHICAGO 12 19 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 23 1.92
4 VANCOUVER 11 10 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 10 0 0 22 2.00
5 NEW JERSEY 13 14 0 0 1 0 0 2 1 5 0 0 27 2.08
6 SAN JOSE 13 17 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 5 1 0 27 2.08
7 BOSTON 11 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 2 1 0 24 2.18
8 DALLAS 12 17 0 0 2 0 0 1 1 7 0 0 28 2.33
9 EDMONTON 12 18 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 7 1 0 29 2.42
10 PITTSBURGH 13 19 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 8 1 0 32 2.46
11 MINNESOTA 12 21 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 30 2.50
12 NY RANGERS 12 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 9 1 0 30 2.50
13 TORONTO 13 21 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 2 0 33 2.54
14 PHOENIX 13 26 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 4 1 0 34 2.62
15 COLORADO 11 17 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 8 1 0 29 2.64
16 DETROIT 12 14 2 0 1 0 0 0 2 13 0 0 32 2.67
17 MONTREAL 12 16 1 0 1 0 0 0 2 9 0 0 32 2.67
18 ANAHEIM 11 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 12 0 0 30 2.73
19 PHILADELPHIA 14 20 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 11 2 1 39 2.79
20 LOS ANGELES 11 20 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 7 1 0 31 2.82
21 TAMPA BAY 12 20 2 0 2 0 0 1 2 5 0 0 35 2.92
22 CAROLINA 12 17 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 12 1 0 36 3.00
23 COLUMBUS 13 28 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 6 2 0 40 3.08
24 CALGARY 10 22 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 1 0 32 3.20
25 WINNIPEG 12 22 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 9 1 0 39 3.25
26 ST LOUIS 12 24 0 0 3 0 0 0 1 10 1 0 39 3.25
27 BUFFALO 14 31 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 9 3 0 48 3.43
28 WASHINGTON 13 25 0 0 1 0 0 0 4 11 0 0 46 3.54
29 NY ISLANDERS 12 33 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 4 4 0 43 3.58
30 FLORIDA 12 26 0 0 2 0 0 1 2 8 1 0 46 3.83

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Tallon during the first intermission sounded like he was content with the goaltenders. He said Markstrom would get some time up because of the intensity of the schedule.

The problem is this franchise doesn't have the money to pay Clemmer money in the minors so the only real option, imo, is to trade Theo (nmc or ntc) or try to trade Santorelli(then in theory you could use that money to pay for Clemmer in the minors). If Markstrom gets called up, he becomes the starter with Clemmer as the backup which still doesn't solve the problem some have with him playing. No point in having Markstrom play a handful of backup games if you're going through all that trouble as a backup for Theo, imo. Another big problem is Theo has a NMC or NTC. I don't think you're going to be able to move Clemmer at this point.

tl;dr - we're probably stuck with what we got


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Yeah, that was exactly my point, although with Theo being inconsistent Markstrom might even grab the starter's job.

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Are you kidding MB? I knew when I read on twitter this morning that Clem was first off the ice.

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They're not playing well but when you're that bad it's a team effort.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...ewName=summary
first of all - the goaltending has led to these numbers being inflated. secondly, as i've said many times, this is not the same team that played the first game of the season. the first half of the season the 18 skaters looked abysmal. like a bunch of individuals who had never played organized hockey in their lives. now they look like a cohesive unit, controlling the flow of most games. citing these 5 on 5 proves/disproves nothing of what has gone on in front of the goalies for the last 6 games.

we SHOULD BE 5-1-0 (6-6-0 overall) in our last 6 games.

instead, we're 3-1-2 (4-6-2 overall) because Scott Clemmensen is ****ing awful.

the fact that you continuously try to dissect our players individual play makes me seriously question if A) you've ever played the game and B) if you generally know anything about the game.

it's pretty common knowledge that, aside from a specific few, go thru ebbs and flows. especially players like the ones our roster is filled with, good, but not great, players. it is extremely hard to maintain the energy, confidence and chemistry required to play at the highest level. there's very few players our there that do it, and those that do are the ones that are considered "great" (aka: Crosby, Datsyuk, Stamkos, etc)

Babcock said exactly this just the other night after Detroit's win over LA. How great players may not "have it" every single night, but they "bring it" every single night.

we dont have that, not by a long shot, so dissecting Weiss' play or Versteeg's play or anyones play is POINTLESS! these type of players will play well for stretches and struggle for others. our top line sucks right now, they won't suck all season though.

the "kids line" is playing great right now. but they wont play great all season. they too will hit a wall eventually as teams adapt to them, their confidence will hit the wall and they will hit the same rough patch our top line has. hopefully, when that happens, another group of players picks up the slack. thats why hockey is a TEAM GAME

18 skaters need to play as a team, a cohesive unit, something they HAVE BEEN DOING for the last 6 games. anyone with any basic hockey knowledge can tell this team is outplaying their opponents on a regularly consistent basis only to get kicked in the ****ing balls by their goalies over and over.

ever hear of momentum? you don't think a bad goal or nice save chances momentum? we've had plenty of the former and ZERO! of the latter.

that third period wasn't very good by the skaters, but being overly conservative is a symptom of a team not trusting their goalie to make a save. and why would they?

they played great for 2 and a half periods, well enough to get 5 goals and have several other chances for more.

Clemmensen and Theodore are, 110%, the main problem this team has right now. they are creating alot of chances, and while they get sloppy in the defensive zone from time to time, they are in control of the pace of games enough of the time to where that SHOULDNT MATTER if they could get one or two saves from their goalies (like Theo did in OT in Philly). they got sloppy and Theo bailed them out, like NHL-caliber goalies should do from time to time. hell, some even do it from game-to-game.

that hasn't happened, not by a long shot. and it's the reason we are where we are. plain & simple.


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Tallon during the first intermission sounded like he was content with the goaltenders. He said Markstrom would get some time up because of the intensity of the schedule.

The problem is this franchise doesn't have the money to pay Clemmer money in the minors so the only real option, imo, is to trade Theo (nmc or ntc) or try to trade Santorelli(then in theory you could use that money to pay for Clemmer in the minors). If Markstrom gets called up, he becomes the starter with Clemmer as the backup which still doesn't solve the problem some have with him playing. No point in having Markstrom play a handful of backup games if you're going through all that trouble as a backup for Theo, imo. Another big problem is Theo has a NMC or NTC. I don't think you're going to be able to move Clemmer at this point.

tl;dr - we're probably stuck with what we got


posted this in the other clemmer thread.
true. Its a catch 22.

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the duo played the best they could last year. It was to much to ask they play lights out at this age again.


Team GP 5 on 5 5 on 4 5 on 3 4 on 4 4 on 3 3 on 3 3 on 4 3 on 5 4 on 5 EN PS Total GA/G
1-30 of 30 results. 1
1 OTTAWA 13 14 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 5 1 0 22 1.69
2 NASHVILLE 13 14 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 6 0 1 23 1.77
3 CHICAGO 12 19 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 23 1.92
4 VANCOUVER 11 10 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 10 0 0 22 2.00
5 NEW JERSEY 13 14 0 0 1 0 0 2 1 5 0 0 27 2.08
6 SAN JOSE 13 17 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 5 1 0 27 2.08
7 BOSTON 11 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 2 1 0 24 2.18
8 DALLAS 12 17 0 0 2 0 0 1 1 7 0 0 28 2.33
9 EDMONTON 12 18 0 0 2 0 0 0 1 7 1 0 29 2.42
10 PITTSBURGH 13 19 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 8 1 0 32 2.46
11 MINNESOTA 12 21 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 30 2.50
12 NY RANGERS 12 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 9 1 0 30 2.50
13 TORONTO 13 21 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 2 0 33 2.54
14 PHOENIX 13 26 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 4 1 0 34 2.62
15 COLORADO 11 17 0 0 1 0 0 0 2 8 1 0 29 2.64
16 DETROIT 12 14 2 0 1 0 0 0 2 13 0 0 32 2.67
17 MONTREAL 12 16 1 0 1 0 0 0 2 9 0 0 32 2.67
18 ANAHEIM 11 16 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 12 0 0 30 2.73
19 PHILADELPHIA 14 20 0 0 3 0 0 0 0 11 2 1 39 2.79
20 LOS ANGELES 11 20 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 7 1 0 31 2.82
21 TAMPA BAY 12 20 2 0 2 0 0 1 2 5 0 0 35 2.92
22 CAROLINA 12 17 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 12 1 0 36 3.00
23 COLUMBUS 13 28 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 6 2 0 40 3.08
24 CALGARY 10 22 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 8 1 0 32 3.20
25 WINNIPEG 12 22 1 0 0 0 0 0 3 9 1 0 39 3.25
26 ST LOUIS 12 24 0 0 3 0 0 0 1 10 1 0 39 3.25
27 BUFFALO 14 31 1 0 1 0 0 0 1 9 3 0 48 3.43
28 WASHINGTON 13 25 0 0 1 0 0 0 4 11 0 0 46 3.54
29 NY ISLANDERS 12 33 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 4 4 0 43 3.58
30 FLORIDA 12 26 0 0 2 0 0 1 2 8 1 0 46 3.83
It's a joke. When you're that bad it's a team/systematic problem. Goalies, forwards, d-men... Our best players are -9-8 and -7. Meanwhile Shore, Mueller, Skille, Matthias are all positive players. What's the difference? (simplifying this a bit) They hustle every single shift and work hard in the corners and backcheck. If Weiss, Flash, and Versteeg played like them we'd probably be winning games even with our crappy goaltending. Then if you get the goaltending, you lead the division.

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true. Its a catch 22.
it really isn't.

$1.1 mil isn't going to make or break this ownership. but the decision to stick with this tandem or promote Markstrom WILL make or break this season.

it's blatantly obvious this team needs a change in net. the long term benefits of a second consecutive competitive/playoff year vs the damage that the fall from grace we're on pace for right now is undeniable. Viner says he wants to win, to build the game in South Florida. here's a hell of a chance to prove it.

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it really isn't.

$1.1 mil isn't going to make or break this ownership. but the decision to stick with this tandem or promote Markstrom WILL make or break this season.

it's blatantly obvious this team needs a change in net. the long term benefits of a second consecutive competitive/playoff year vs the damage that the fall from grace we're on pace for right now is undeniable. Viner says he wants to win, to build the game in South Florida. here's a hell of a chance to prove it.
The problem is bringing up Markstrom isn't a guarantee to get us into the playoffs. I mean come on, they traded Ellerby because of Santorelli's salary. There's no way they're going to bury Clemmer in the AHL.

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it really isn't.

$1.1 mil isn't going to make or break this ownership. but the decision to stick with this tandem or promote Markstrom WILL make or break this season.

it's blatantly obvious this team needs a change in net. the long term benefits of a second consecutive competitive/playoff year vs the damage that the fall from grace we're on pace for right now is undeniable. Viner says he wants to win, to build the game in South Florida. here's a hell of a chance to prove it.
I agree !00% with you, you know that. I have no interest in attending another game clemmer starts. And if Markstrom comes up and sucks, at least im watching the future build.

That said RR makes a very valid point (clemmer aside, he makes many valid points): THIS group wont swallow the million.

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On a positive note, we might see Guds/White 3 on Thursday. Oh how I'd love to see Guds go with Moen in a revenge match.

As far as tonight, congrats to Shore on his first goal. And Huby with a nice two-goal game. That line should not be broken up again till they just don't have it anymore.

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first of all - the goaltending has led to these numbers being inflated. secondly, as i've said many times, this is not the same team that played the first game of the season. the first half of the season the 18 skaters looked abysmal. like a bunch of individuals who had never played organized hockey in their lives. now they look like a cohesive unit, controlling the flow of most games.

we SHOULD BE 5-1-0 (6-6-0 overall) in our last 6 games.

instead, we're 3-1-2 (4-6-2 overall) because Scott Clemmensen is ****ing awful.

the fact that you continuously try to dissect our players individual play makes me seriously question if A) you've ever played the game and B) if you generally know anything about the game.

it's pretty common knowledge that, aside from a specific few, go thru ebbs and flows. especially players like the ones our roster is filled with, good, but not great, players. it is extremely hard to maintain the energy, confidence and chemistry required to play at the highest level. there's very few players our there that do it, and those that do are the ones that are considered "great" (aka: Crosby, Datsyuk, Stamkos, etc)

Babcock said exactly this just the other night after Detroit's win over LA. How great players may not "have it" every single night, but they "bring it" every single night.

we dont have that, not by a long shot, so dissecting Weiss' play or Versteeg's play or anyones play is POINTLESS! these type of players will play well for stretches and struggle for others. our top line sucks right now, they won't suck all season though.

the "kids line" is playing great right now. but they wont play great all season. they too will hit a wall eventually as teams adapt to them, their confidence will hit the wall and they will hit the same rough patch our top line has. hopefully, when that happens, another group of players picks up the slack. thats why hockey is a TEAM GAME

18 skaters need to play as a team, a cohesive unit, something they HAVE BEEN DOING for the last 6 games. anyone with any basic hockey knowledge can tell this team is outplaying their opponents on a regularly consistent basis only to get kicked in the ****ing balls by their goalies over and over.

ever hear of momentum? you don't think a bad goal or nice save chances momentum? we've had plenty of the former and ZERO! of the latter.

that third period wasn't very good by the skaters, but being overly conservative is a symptom of a team not trusting their goalie to make a save. and why would they?

they played great for 2 and a half periods, well enough to get 5 goals and have several other chances for more.

Clemmensen and Theodore are, 110%, the main problem this team has right now. they are creating alot of chances, and while they get sloppy in the defensive zone from time to time, they are in control of the pace of games enough of the time to where that SHOULDNT MATTER if they could get one or two saves from their goalies (like Theo did in OT in Philly)

that hasn't happened, not by a long shot. and it's the reason we are where we are. plain & simple.
"discussing" anything with you is exhausting. You're extremely patronizing (the only poster here who is) on a regular basis and you don't make very convincing points. I'm not going to respond in length to you.

Goaltending is a problem. It may be our biggest problem. But, we've got a bunch of other problems too that expose our goaltenders on a constant basis. We got shutout against the worst team in the league last game. We blew a 2 on 0 and a 4 on 1 tonight. Those are momentum changers too. We take stupid penalties(Hubs) and make stupid plays very regularly(Kulikov in OT). Our best forwards, Weiss and Flash are already -9. Versteeg is already a -7. Campbell and Kuba, -8. Those tell a lot. Four of them are our best players. Our top line BLOWS right now. They're getting outplayed every single night by two rookies and a guy who took an entire year off. Goaltending isn't good but this team has a lot of big problems too which you don't notice so clearly as you do as a bad goal against.

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I agree !00% with you, you know that. I have no interest in attending another game clemmer starts. And if Markstrom comes up and sucks, at least im watching the future build.

That said RR makes a very valid point: THIS group wont swallow the million.
Our only hope is someone is stupid enough to take Santorelli. Or we trade someone we don't expect to go, like Kuba who is a -8 signed for 8mill over two years.

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I agree !00% with you, you know that. I have no interest in attending another game clemmer starts. And if Markstrom comes up and sucks, at least im watching the future build.

That said RR makes a very valid point (clemmer aside, he makes many valid points): THIS group wont swallow the million.
they did it with Reinprecht, with Bradley, and they're doing it with Santorelli..

this is BY FAR AND AWAY the most critical one. If Markstrom comes up and gives us even mediocre play, it could turn our season around. If he plays like he's been playing in the AHL and showed for stretches last year in the NHL, he could transform this team into a team that is significantly better than last years.

all for $1mil. c'mon. they just traded ellerby too and are only carrying 21 skaters as opposed to most teams 23.

they can do it...will they? well, i don't know, but they damn well should if they mean what they say about building a winning culture here.

they won't say it publicly but what in the world do you think the players are thinking watching this...after seeing what they saw last year from Markstrom. (impressed so much by his play that they nick-named him "Alien"?)

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The problem is bringing up Markstrom isn't a guarantee to get us into the playoffs. I mean come on, they traded Ellerby because of Santorelli's salary. There's no way they're going to bury Clemmer in the AHL.
Perhaps they'll bury him in the ECHL, where he belongs.

Really, the guy has no reflexes. If you look up
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"discussing" anything with you is exhausting. You're extremely patronizing (the only poster here who is) on a regular basis and you don't make very convincing points. I'm not going to respond in length to you.

Goaltending is a problem. It may be our biggest problem. But, we've got a bunch of other problems too that expose our goaltenders on a constant basis. We got shutout against the worst team in the league last game. We blew a 2 on 0 and a 4 on 1 tonight. Those are momentum changers too. We take stupid penalties(Hubs) and make stupid plays very regularly(Kulikov in OT). Our best forwards, Weiss and Flash are already -9. Versteeg is already a -7. Campbell and Kuba, -8. Those tell a lot. Four of them are our best players. Our top line BLOWS right now. They're getting outplayed every single night by two rookies and a guy who took an entire year off. Goaltending isn't good but this team has a lot of big problems too which you don't notice so clearly as you do as a bad goal against.

i'm not denying this team has other issues. i'm not denying the top lines play has been sub-par. i'm not denying the defensmen have been inconsistent/erratic at times.

what i'm saying is goaltending masks alot of issues. there were stretches last year where our guys were playing like utter **** but theodore would keep us in games to get the games into overtime and earn a point when we didn't deserve it.

right now, we're playing good hockey. NOT FLAWLESS hockey, but good hockey. we're creating alot of offense, controlling the flow and dictating the pace of most games we play. that's what good teams do.

but instead of the goalies masking the few issues we have, they are exasperating them.

if we get just average goaltending tonight we win this game. even with Kulikov playing like ****. even with weiss playing like ****. even with versteeg playing like ****. Mediocre goaltending. we win. Not even good goaltending. Not great goaltending. Mediocre.

Goaltending, by far and away, is the issue right now with this team. you disagree, you're clueless. call that patronizing if you wish, it's reality from where i'm sitting.

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they did it with Reinprecht, with Bradley, and they're doing it with Santorelli..

this is BY FAR AND AWAY the most critical one. If Markstrom comes up and gives us even mediocre play, it could turn our season around. If he plays like he's been playing in the AHL and showed for stretches last year in the NHL, he could transform this team into a team that is significantly better than last years.

all for $1mil. c'mon. they just traded ellerby too and are only carrying 21 skaters as opposed to most teams 23.

they can do it...will they? well, i don't know, but they damn well should if they mean what they say about building a winning culture here.

they won't say it publicly but what in the world do you think the players are thinking watching this...after seeing what they saw last year from Markstrom. (impressed so much by his play that they nick-named him "Alien"?)
we're paying 14 forwards, 8 dmen-we have to pay caruso, 2-goalies, am I wrong?

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we're paying 14 forwards, 8 dmen-we have to pay caruso, 2-goalies, am I wrong?
who's the 14th forward? bergenheim? he's suspended and not being paid.

aren't players paid by insurance when they are on IR (caruso) - regarldess, he'll be in SA in a few weeks.

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who's the 14th forward? bergenheim? he's suspended and not being paid.

aren't players paid by insurance when they are on IR (caruso) - regarldess, he'll be in SA in a few weeks.
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Bergenheim is there, we're not paying him anything ATM.
paying- flash, weiss, upshall, versteeg, hubs, kopecky, mueller, goc, kov, shore, parros, matthias, skille, smithson... that's 14 unless upshall doesn't count? I assume we have to pay him unless we have insurance? Idk how insurance works

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paying- flash, weiss, upshall, versteeg, hubs, kopecky, mueller, goc, kov, shore, parros, matthias, skille, smithson... that's 14 unless upshall doesn't count? I assume we have to pay him unless we have insurance? Idk how insurance works
same. not sure how it works either.

regardless, $1.1 mil pro-rated wont break the bank and its ridiculously necessary. i'd give a team a pick to take santorelli or clemmensen if it was that big a deal financially. that's how critical it is that it occurs to me.

it will save this season, without a doubt in my mind from what i've seen from this group.

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Anyone defending Clemmensen in any way after tonight is clueless. Absolutely clueless.

Breakdowns happen in hockey. Thats what goalies are there for.

Every single scoring chance the Capitals earned ended up in our net because Clemmensen is hysterically bad.

The worst part about is this team.is actually playing good hockey, only to get repeatedly punched in the balls by their goaltenders.

Brutal.
Thank you for stating the obvious. If we can't rely on our goalie to be the 'last man standing', then we may as well play with an empty net and achieve the same result.

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Well, Luongo never took us there, that's for sure...
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Idk if Tallon is content with our goalies, but short of someone miraculously taking Clem off our hands, these are our goalies for the rest of the season(Markstrom included). I think Markstrom was Tallon's ace in the hole, but he may have to play that card sooner than he wanted.
Of course he's not content. But really, what can he do at this point? His hands are tied. By going on tv and trashing 'his' goalies would only do more harm than good. He's going to play the PR card for as long as he can so that the organization can continue to get butts into seats, regardless of the product on the ice.

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Oh, and the only player I want back from Vancouver is Boom Boom.

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Best line by faaaaaaaaaaar, Huberdeau, Shore, Mueller. Worst line by faaaaaaaaar, Versteeg, Weiss, Fleischmann. Although Fleischmann did score.
On a soft goal in which he just threw the puck on net and it happened to go in. That line is doing absolutely nothing right now.

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