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02-12-2013, 11:34 PM
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My Ladd hate existed long before the Jets 2.0 existed so I'm entitled to my opinion thanks.

If the Jets were a good team, he would be on the 3rd line.
Ladd wasn't the problem, he conversely was one of the few assets out there tonight, especially at forward. Can't think of many 30 goal scoring 3rd liners either, sorry.

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02-12-2013, 11:35 PM
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No one cares about Garret's stats
I just showed that Ladd's low goal totals before 2010-11 were due to low icetime and him being not a top6 player
Dude. Numbers and rational analysis have no hope of penetrating the Ladd hate bubble. You brought a knife to a crap flinging fight.

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This is mind numbingly maddening to me.

How do people make such snap damned judgements all the time.

Let me state a FACT.

If players careers could hinge on ONE game, not one player would be in the NHL.

Peluso may not fit for the jets, but for the love of god it was his first game!
What exactly does he bring to the team? All he has shown is that he can't score or make a play throughout his hockey career. He's a hired goon. Mach or Mittens would bring more to the team than Peluso ever will. When Wright became available after they picked up Peluso up, Peluso became expendable.

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02-12-2013, 11:36 PM
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Well...



Looks like he could have have been a 30+ goal scorer back in 2007-2009...

I broke it all down here. Ladd is a very very very very good 2nd liner. Good enough to pass as an ok 1st liner
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/ne...ply&p=57429089

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Oh yeah I would have loved to see Spencer Mach on the team. He really stepped up during his call-up.

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02-12-2013, 11:37 PM
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Hoooeeeee.

Peluso's debut wasn't exactly golden but he did not cost us the game anyway. Doubt we'll see much of him in the future.

Wellwood? I'm a fan when he plays well but he has been horrible this season. He looks like he doesn't even care; bye, Kyle. We've traded you for a pick. Poni is playing like he is either playing hurt or he is scared to get hurt.

The Jets have a bigger team but zero jam. Bring up Cormier and try him in the middle on the third line. The guy in that spot currently diddles around with the puck a lot and accomplishes little; two points 1/4 through the season. Redmond was a gong show tonight, Postma wasn't much better. Rooks on the pp blue line? Yikes.

WTH is our GM doing all day long? I'm not talking about cleaning house; that will happen at season end regardless - given all of the expiring contracts. Can't they just at least give Cormier a try though in the meantime? They need some enthusiasm in that lineup, even if it comes via an in-house shakeup. Do something.

Bah. Disregard. I'm just angry.
A comment on MIA Joke-in and it would have been a perfect post!

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02-12-2013, 11:42 PM
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well it keeps getting tougher with Pittsburgh friday should be interesting

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yeah, the thing I really liked was seeing Jokinen drop down the line-up. He's had 10 games to work things out. He will be a producer for us. But he's gotta earn his ice-time a bit more now.

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02-12-2013, 11:44 PM
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A comment on MIA Joke-in and it would have been a perfect post!
Part of his problem is that they've been trying to play two shooters together and it aint' working. Flip Ladd & Kane FFS. Jokinen will come around if paired with someone that at least throws him the puck on occasion.

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02-12-2013, 11:47 PM
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Okay, most that could be said about this game has already been said. Kane was robbed several times, should still have put the puck in the net since that's what he gets paid for, offense was a bit off, Bryz was good. Good on Ladd getting those garbage goals, want to see Burmi get more chances offensively.

But I haven't seen anyone talk about this. Was it just me, or did Buff look incredibly slow? Rusty, yeah, I get that, but it almost seemed like he was afraid of getting hurt the way he skated.

Oh well, let's talk about how Chevy will pass on Barkov because he hates europeans until our game against the Pens!

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I don't like Ladd. Sorry I chose tonight when he scored two goals to say so. I've said it before. Not ever going to change.

Redmond took a stupid penalty and the rest of the team besides him and Burmi did anything remotely good. That better? Do I fit into your idea of a good opinion?

I'm allowed an opinion. I don't need to be constantly chastised because of it. I don't need to be attacked because I have an opinion. This is exactly why I rarely post. I always get attacked for my opinions. I thought forums were for opinions and good hockey discussion? I love the Jets, but I'm allowed to dislike and criticize a player on one of my favourite teams. I love Malkin and I criticize him all the time. Ladd will play good and then pull a disappearing act for 10 games. I just don't think that shows the typical character of a top 6 player.

I don't have many people to talk hockey with and I'm not trying to stir up anything or troll Andrew Ladd as some people have said I was. I just have an opinion and was sharing it. So sorry for that.

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My Ladd hate existed long before the Jets 2.0 existed so I'm entitled to my opinion thanks.

If the Jets were a good team, he would be on the 3rd line.

And sorry I don't wear Jets coloured glasses all the time. I'm sure there are players you don't like who are on the Jets. Don't like Buff either. He is not a very good dman at all.
No sorry dude you just don't know what your talking about. That Chicago team had arguably the most depth of any team post '04 lockout. Geez man I was a Canucks fan too but I don't still hate Ladd and Buff because of it anymore. If anything it enlightened me on why they are viewed the way they are throughout the rest of the league...

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02-12-2013, 11:51 PM
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No sorry dude you just don't know what your talking about. That Chicago team had arguably the most depth of any team post '04 lockout. Geez man I was a Canucks fan too but I don't still hate Ladd and Buff because of it anymore. If anything it enlightened me on why they are viewed the way they are throughout the rest of the league...
Pittsburgh had more depth. At least at centre they did.

And I'm not a dude thanks. I'm a woman.

And I'm done talking about it. I'm allowed an opinion and people don't seem to get that.

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02-12-2013, 11:52 PM
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I don't like Ladd. Sorry I chose tonight when he scored two goals to say so. I've said it before. Not ever going to change.

Redmond took a stupid penalty and the rest of the team besides him and Burmi did anything remotely good. That better? Do I fit into your idea of a good opinion?

I'm allowed an opinion. I don't need to be constantly chastised because of it. I don't need to be attacked because I have an opinion. This is exactly why I rarely post. I always get attacked for my opinions. I thought forums were for opinions and good hockey discussion? I love the Jets, but I'm allowed to dislike and criticize a player on one of my favourite teams. I love Malkin and I criticize him all the time. Ladd will play good and then pull a disappearing act for 10 games. I just don't think that shows the typical character of a top 6 player.

I don't have many people to talk hockey with and I'm not trying to stir up anything or troll Andrew Ladd as some people have said I was. I just have an opinion and was sharing it. So sorry for that.
People are arguing your points with facts and raw data, I'm not sure why you're getting so defensive.

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02-12-2013, 11:54 PM
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I don't like Ladd. Sorry I chose tonight when he scored two goals to say so. I've said it before. Not ever going to change.

Redmond took a stupid penalty and the rest of the team besides him and Burmi did anything remotely good. That better? Do I fit into your idea of a good opinion?

I'm allowed an opinion. I don't need to be constantly chastised because of it. I don't need to be attacked because I have an opinion. This is exactly why I rarely post. I always get attacked for my opinions. I thought forums were for opinions and good hockey discussion? I love the Jets, but I'm allowed to dislike and criticize a player on one of my favourite teams. I love Malkin and I criticize him all the time. Ladd will play good and then pull a disappearing act for 10 games. I just don't think that shows the typical character of a top 6 player.

I don't have many people to talk hockey with and I'm not trying to stir up anything or troll Andrew Ladd as some people have said I was. I just have an opinion and was sharing it. So sorry for that.
You called him a 3rd liner claiming it's "your opinion" when no 3rd liner puts up points like he has for the last several years regardless what role he's been in. I think you should learn the difference between opinion and fact. You not liking Ladd is an opinion. Saying he's a top 6 winger is fact base off of facts.

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A comment on MIA Joke-in and it would have been a perfect post!
Joke-in? No more Jonki? Or Ponki?

Jonki and Ponki, sounds like an Eastern European comedy duo.

Alright, I'm clearly tired. Night everyone.

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Okay, most that could be said about this game has already been said. Kane was robbed several times, should still have put the puck in the net since that's what he gets paid for, offense was a bit off, Bryz was good. Good on Ladd getting those garbage goals, want to see Burmi get more chances offensively.

But I haven't seen anyone talk about this. Was it just me, or did Buff look incredibly slow? Rusty, yeah, I get that, but it almost seemed like he was afraid of getting hurt the way he skated.

Oh well, let's talk about how Chevy will pass on Barkov because he hates europeans until our game against the Pens!
Buff looked tentative offensively. He was fine defensively, but he didn't try a single rush that I could see.

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My Ladd hate existed long before the Jets 2.0 existed so I'm entitled to my opinion thanks.
Truth as this is an opinion and you are entitled to.

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If the Jets were a good team, he would be on the 3rd line.
False. This is not an opinion. You are stating a fact. A fact that is analytically PROVEN false.

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And sorry I don't wear Jets coloured glasses all the time. I'm sure there are players you don't like who are on the Jets.
And your Canuck-fan-stuborn-hatred-for-someone-who-played-well-against-them glasses are any less biased?? You realize you are contradicting your very first sentence here...


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Don't like Buff either. He is not a very good dman at all.
Again... first statement: opinion and entitled two. Second statement: false fact.




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I forgot to add:
since 2007 only one between Ladd + Kesler has dipped under top6 production: Kesler twice (2007-08 + 2011-12)
since 2007 Ladd has out produced Kesler except for two years, and only one year has Kesler scored more goals per ice-time


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You called him a 3rd liner claiming it's "your opinion" when no 3rd liner puts up points like he has for the last several years regardless what role he's been in. I think you should learn the difference between opinion and fact. You not liking Ladd is an opinion. Saying he's a top 6 winger is fact base off of facts.
I honestly believe if he were on a great team, he would be a third liner. I don't think he's that great and a bit overrated. I was going to use Jordan Staal in Pittsburgh as an example, but that was a bit of an anomaly. No team in recent years was ever that deep at centre. But I'll say it, Jordan Staal was a third liner and he scored 20+ goals 3 times in Pittsburgh. Oh and that was as oh, a third liner.


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Joke-in? No more Jonki? Or Ponki?

Jonki and Ponki, sounds like an Eastern European comedy duo.

Alright, I'm clearly tired. Night everyone.
The Jets wore me out tonight as well couldn't even remember what I'm even calling them anymore. These highs and lows following the Jets are tough, forgot what I missed after 1996.

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I don't like Ladd. Sorry I chose tonight when he scored two goals to say so. I've said it before. Not ever going to change.

Redmond took a stupid penalty and the rest of the team besides him and Burmi did anything remotely good. That better? Do I fit into your idea of a good opinion?

I'm allowed an opinion. I don't need to be constantly chastised because of it. I don't need to be attacked because I have an opinion. This is exactly why I rarely post. I always get attacked for my opinions. I thought forums were for opinions and good hockey discussion? I love the Jets, but I'm allowed to dislike and criticize a player on one of my favourite teams. I love Malkin and I criticize him all the time. Ladd will play good and then pull a disappearing act for 10 games. I just don't think that shows the typical character of a top 6 player.

I don't have many people to talk hockey with and I'm not trying to stir up anything or troll Andrew Ladd as some people have said I was. I just have an opinion and was sharing it. So sorry for that.
Well yeah, the whole third line Ladd debate is something we've hashed out before. And likely will continue to in some form or other. I'm with Garret and most others thinking it's a no-brainer, but I do see the importance of constantly appraising the team.

But I just don't get the thought process behind bringing it up in this particular thread. There is no point other than to troll when he pots our only 2 goals and played a solid game showing some of the LLW magic chemistry is coming back. If you want to constantly beat the drum, even when Ladd has a pretty awesome game, then it's only fair to expect push back on opinion that is clearly a stranger to hard facts. Even by forum users who don't post often but read often like me.

You've left Karl Rove denial and are entering Dick Morris delusion.

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I'm allowed an opinion. I don't need to be constantly chastised because of it. I don't need to be attacked because I have an opinion. This is exactly why I rarely post. I always get attacked for my opinions. I thought forums were for opinions and good hockey discussion? I love the Jets, but I'm allowed to dislike and criticize a player on one of my favourite teams. I love Malkin and I criticize him all the time. Ladd will play good and then pull a disappearing act for 10 games. I just don't think that shows the typical character of a top 6 player.
You certainly are allowed an opinion. And people are allowed to give their opinion of your opinion. You can dislike any of the Jets all you want, but in the end you're in the Jets forum and you have to expect people will debate that. Doubly so with the reasons you've given.

I would think being a Canucks fan you'd have more of a hate-on for Byfuglien.

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Just copy and paste my facts if she won't read my quotes...

Opinion is one thing to have... but opinions on definitive statements can be wrong.
I can believe the sky is green and have that opinion all I want but that doesn't deny facts.

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Quite the PGT tonight.

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