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02-13-2013, 03:35 PM
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I used to rag on this guy all the time but I have to admit he's having a great start to the year.

I'd like to see him do it for a while ago as he's got a habit of getting ice cold for a few games and looking very beatable. Still I think Dallas has not a lot to worry about in goal.
This may come as a shock but there is not a single goalie in the league who is lights out every game. Goalies just like forwards and defensemen have bad games. Lehtonen has back to back 30+ win seasons (34 in 10/11 and 32 in 11/12) on a team that was absolutely horrible in every facet of hockey. With the combination of Nilstorp and Bachman as backups Dallas is not to shabby in the goal-tending department.

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Yeah, no. Anderson.

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I guess you could argue the guy that leads the league in literally every major Goalie stat, and not by a little, could be considered the best goalie in the world right now.

Of course he could just be a product of Ottawa's amazing defence.
No. Anderson is obviously a phenomenal goalie, and I don't think Ottawa's defense does him many favors.

But Dallas' defense is just absolutely atrocious. Watch them for a game. I don't think anyone but Lehtonen could put up those kinds of numbers with the crap he deals with. Not to mention he spends half of each game on the PK.

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02-13-2013, 03:40 PM
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Close. We have the puck a lot thanks to Karlsson and Andy sees a lot of the shots.
There aren't a lot of times when players are 3-4 on top of him jamming it in.

He's doing great for us but let's not pretend this is Hasek circa 1996 or so.
I guess while we're at it we won't pretend that Ottawa was 2nd worst in the league for shots against per game, and 6th worst in the league for goals against last year with a better defence (and forwards group) than they have this year. Still allowing the 5th most shots against per game in the league while having the best goals against per game in the league.

People have crashed the net, have had breakaways, have had great shots...Andy has just been phenomenal. Have respect for whatever goalie you want, but respect that Anderson has easily been the best goalie in the league up to this point. It's not close.

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02-13-2013, 03:43 PM
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I guess while we're at it we won't pretend that Ottawa was 2nd worst in the league for shots against per game, and 6th worst in the league for goals against last year with a better defence (and forwards group) than they have this year. Still allowing the 5th most shots against per game in the league while having the best goals against per game in the league.

People have crashed the net, have had breakaways, have had great shots...Andy has just been phenomenal. Have respect for whatever goalie you want, but respect that Anderson has easily been the best goalie in the league up to this point. It's not close.
I agree it's not close. But it's not Anderson.

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02-13-2013, 03:55 PM
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No. Anderson is obviously a phenomenal goalie, and I don't think Ottawa's defense does him many favors.

But Dallas' defense is just absolutely atrocious. Watch them for a game. I don't think anyone but Lehtonen could put up those kinds of numbers with the crap he deals with. Not to mention he spends half of each game on the PK.
This is bang on if we are comparing the two teams... I am a Sens fan and watch all their games... Andersson has been phenomenal but he just not to do as many jaw dropping things as Lehtonen is forced to do.

The Stars blueline is so bad and inexperienced... he is literally Haseking teams to get the Stars wins... I have not watched such a display of talent in the goaltending position in a long time... his hybrid style with his reflexes is just incredible to watch

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This is bang on if we are comparing the two teams... I am a Sens fan and watch all their games... Andersson has been phenomenal but he just not to do as many jaw dropping things as Lehtonen is forced to do.

The Stars blueline is so bad and inexperienced... he is literally Haseking teams to get the Stars wins... I have not watched such a display of talent in the goaltending position in a long time... his hybrid style with his reflexes is just incredible to watch
Yeah, we're really lucky to have him. If the Stars manage to make a run to the playoffs, it will have been on his shoulders.

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02-13-2013, 04:10 PM
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I find it amusing that in debates about the best defenceman in the league Karlsson is getting bailed out by Anderson and isn't an elite defender.

In debates about who the best goaltender in the league is, Anderson's stats are inflated because he has Karlsson keeping him safe.

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It's the truth though... Anderson is making Karlsson look average in the defensive department. Thats not to say that Anderson is playing above his head and imo will come back down to earth eventually.

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This is bang on if we are comparing the two teams... I am a Sens fan and watch all their games... Andersson has been phenomenal but he just not to do as many jaw dropping things as Lehtonen is forced to do.

The Stars blueline is so bad and inexperienced... he is literally Haseking teams to get the Stars wins... I have not watched such a display of talent in the goaltending position in a long time... his hybrid style with his reflexes is just incredible to watch
Anderson doesn't have to do them because he is superior positionally. When he is called upon to make some miraculous saves he has more than delivered. Many a highlight just from this season has been posted on the main board. Some have been 'save of the year' candidates already.

I find it weird that goalies who constantly have to make acrobatic saves (whether or not they are out of position) tend to come off as 'better' than a goalie that can read the play and see the puck very, very well and just knows where to be. So by extension the goalie that makes his job look harder is better than the goalie that makes his job look easy, while coming up with big saves when needed.

Give me the goalie that makes his job look easy 95% of the time, but still makes insane saves when needed.

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Anderson doesn't have to do them because he is superior positionally. When he is called upon to make some miraculous saves he has more than delivered. Many a highlight just from this season has been posted on the main board. Some have been 'save of the year' candidates already.

I find it weird that goalies who constantly have to make acrobatic saves (whether or not they are out of position) tend to come off as 'better' than a goalie that can read the play and see the puck very, very well and just knows where to be. So by extension the goalie that makes his job look harder is better than the goalie that makes his job look easy, while coming up with big saves when needed.

Give me the goalie that makes his job look easy 95% of the time, but still makes insane saves when needed.
No dude you just don't get it.... it's not a positional problem at all... the Stars defense gives up countless cross crease/slot passes in front of the net a game and Lehtonen is forced to be insane to stop the puck... on top of the odd man rushes

Andersson just does not have to do stuff like that.

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02-13-2013, 05:13 PM
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No dude you just don't get it.... it's not a positional problem at all... the Stars defense gives up countless cross crease/slot passes in front of the net a game and Lehtonen is forced to be insane to stop the puck... on top of the odd man rushes

Andersson just does not have to do stuff like that.
Exactly!

Last nights game against Edmonton there were at least a half dozen passes through Dallas' crease that the defense should of stopped. The only goal to beat Lehtonen was Hall's wrist shot coming down the left wing. The shot just handcuffed Lehtonen.

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02-13-2013, 05:16 PM
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As a fan of BOTH Anderson and Kari, until they both play this good consistently for a season, I'm not going to vouch for either for the Vezina just yet.

Though, wasn't Anderson a finalist that year he was with the Avalanche?

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He has been amazing so far.
Obviously i would pick Anderson so far, but its hard to argue Lethonens contributions in dallas.

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02-13-2013, 05:43 PM
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As a fan of BOTH Anderson and Kari, until they both play this good consistently for a season, I'm not going to vouch for either for the Vezina just yet.

Though, wasn't Anderson a finalist that year he was with the Avalanche?
How do you define consistency? Back to back 30+ wins for Lehtonen on one of the worst teams i have ever witnessed is pretty damn good.

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Anderson doesn't have to do them because he is superior positionally. When he is called upon to make some miraculous saves he has more than delivered. Many a highlight just from this season has been posted on the main board. Some have been 'save of the year' candidates already.

I find it weird that goalies who constantly have to make acrobatic saves (whether or not they are out of position) tend to come off as 'better' than a goalie that can read the play and see the puck very, very well and just knows where to be. So by extension the goalie that makes his job look harder is better than the goalie that makes his job look easy, while coming up with big saves when needed.

Give me the goalie that makes his job look easy 95% of the time, but still makes insane saves when needed.
You just described kari lehtonen.

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02-13-2013, 06:15 PM
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Took him almost a decade to fully mature as a player and live up to his potential. Man drafting goalies is tricky as Atlanta isn't seeing this.

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Right now Anderson is the easy front runner, but it's still early, even in this 1/2 of a season.

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Right now Anderson is the easy front runner, but it's still early, even in this 1/2 of a season.
Statistically...yes! If you are considering stats and standing on his head because the team in front of his is below average then its Lehtonen.

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shades of Mark Antony:

I came here to praise Lehtonen but he got buried by Anderson.

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Bachman started tonight 3-0 10 minutes in... Lehtonen makes saves on those goals

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^He's got every one of Dallas's wins this season....Nihlstorp's 0-2 and Bachman well on his way to the same record. Stars looking brutal tonight and this time they don't have a top goalie to bail them out.

Dallas will ultimately go as far as Kari can take them.

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If you watched last nights game you'll see why Lehtonen is HANDS DOWN dominant over Anderson. And it's not even close. At all.

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Always been a fan. Go Kari!

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Imagine this stat line at the end of the season:

Conn Smythe for Niemi, Vezina for Lehtonen, Calder for Fasth.

It'd be a banner year for the Pacific!
Quick/Bernier Jennings and 2nd Cup!

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If you watched last nights game you'll see why Lehtonen is HANDS DOWN dominant over Anderson. And it's not even close. At all.


Anderson have been amazing so far this year, Lethonen is wayyyyyyyyy behind, as you said it's not even close.

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