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02-15-2013, 08:48 AM
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Tor Trades

Tor- Pit
Kulemin, Gunnarson for Simon Despres, 2nd

Tor-Nash
Grabovski for 1st round Pick

Tor-Col
Gardiner, Ashton for O'Reilly

Line up

JVR Kadri Kessel
Lupul O'Reilly Frattin
Komarov Bozak MacCarthur
Brown McClement Orr

Phaneuf Holzer
Despres Kostka
Fraser Franson

Liles, Komisarek

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02-15-2013, 08:52 AM
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Pittsburgh trade is overpayment by Toronto, maybe make the 2nd a 2014 1st and it's fair value.

Nashville trade seems fair, although I don't know that Nashville would want to lose their 1st two years in a row.

Gardiner-ROR trade favours Toronto ever so slightly.

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02-15-2013, 08:55 AM
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Don't think Avs would do that. Toronto would need to replace Ashton with a roster player.

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02-15-2013, 08:56 AM
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Pittsburgh trade is overpayment by Toronto, maybe make the 2nd a 2014 1st and it's fair value.

Nashville trade seems fair, although I don't know that Nashville would want to lose their 1st two years in a row.

Gardiner-ROR trade favours Toronto ever so slightly.
so overall all 3 pretty fair trades? not bad for HF....

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02-15-2013, 09:00 AM
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Tor- Pit
Kulemin, Gunnarson for Simon Despres, 2nd

Tor-Nash
Grabovski for 1st round Pick

Tor-Col
Gardiner, Ashton for O'Reilly

Line up

JVR Kadri Kessel
Lupul O'Reilly Frattin
Komarov Bozak MacCarthur
Brown McClement Orr

Phaneuf Holzer
Despres Kostka
Fraser Franson

Liles, Komisarek
My biggest Worry is that we have....


A) given Malkin a guy he can make a 25+ goal scorer.

B) Have Holzer as our top pairing D man.


Not bad value wise but I would ideally want a 1st in 2014 as someone pointed out over the 2nd.

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02-15-2013, 09:03 AM
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Would only do the last trade as a Leaf fan.

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02-15-2013, 09:06 AM
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Gardiner's concussion seems to have given a lot of people second thoughts about him, as he suddenly keeps popping up in prospective trades all over the place. Why are the Leafs trading him and a prospect for a player whose upside seems to be closer to a second line centre than a first line centre? I think that would be a very hasty and ill-advised thing to do.

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02-15-2013, 09:10 AM
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Tor- Pit
Kulemin, Gunnarson for Simon Despres, 2nd

Tor-Nash
Grabovski for 1st round Pick

Tor-Col
Gardiner, Ashton for O'Reilly

Line up

JVR Kadri Kessel
Lupul O'Reilly Frattin
Komarov Bozak MacCarthur
Brown McClement Orr

Phaneuf Holzer
Despres Kostka
Fraser Franson

Liles, Komisarek
Toronto won't move out their second line and one of their top prospects for more picks...

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02-15-2013, 09:12 AM
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Gardiner's concussion seems to have given a lot of people second thoughts about him, as he suddenly keeps popping up in prospective trades all over the place. Why are the Leafs trading him and a prospect for a player whose upside seems to be closer to a second line centre than a first line centre? I think that would be a very hasty and ill-advised thing to do.
Because he's the only player on our roster not named Kessel or Phaneuf that has enough value to net ROR? I mean, we can always go back to the Bozak, MacArthur, and a 2nd, if that's what you really want...

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02-15-2013, 09:29 AM
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Because he's the only player on our roster not named Kessel or Phaneuf that has enough value to net ROR? I mean, we can always go back to the Bozak, MacArthur, and a 2nd, if that's what you really want...
I'd much rather just keep our young guys for once.

Anyways as a Leafs fan, screw the 1st and 3rd proposals in the OP. The second one I can agree to, but would Nashville really give up a 1st round pick for Grabo?

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02-15-2013, 09:45 AM
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Because he's the only player on our roster not named Kessel or Phaneuf that has enough value to net ROR? I mean, we can always go back to the Bozak, MacArthur, and a 2nd, if that's what you really want...
And then in a year or two, when he doesn't quite work out, we can trade ROR for the next shiny, bright young thing. No thanks. A little patience would be nice.

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And then in a year or two, when he doesn't quite work out, we can trade ROR for the next shiny, bright young thing. No thanks. A little patience would be nice.
What makes you think O'Reilly won't work out?

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02-15-2013, 10:02 AM
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Gardiner's concussion seems to have given a lot of people second thoughts about him, as he suddenly keeps popping up in prospective trades all over the place. Why are the Leafs trading him and a prospect for a player whose upside seems to be closer to a second line centre than a first line centre? I think that would be a very hasty and ill-advised thing to do.
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Because he's the only player on our roster not named Kessel or Phaneuf that has enough value to net ROR? I mean, we can always go back to the Bozak, MacArthur, and a 2nd, if that's what you really want...
There's also the fact that they drafted Rielly, which makes Gardiner more expendable than he was previously.

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I'd do the 2nd and 3rd as a Leafs fan, but I wouldn't do the 2nd if the 3rd doesn't happen.

The first one is just absolutely terrible value.

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02-15-2013, 11:08 AM
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There's also the fact that they drafted Rielly, which makes Gardiner more expendable than he was previously.
I totally don't buy that at all. The Leafs have the potential to develop a very deep, very talented defense, one that can be the strength of the team. What we need to do is start drafting talented forwards. If I'm going to trade some major assets for a centre, I want much more of a sure thing than ROR.

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I wouldn't do the first one.
I'm fine with the other two.

Overall, good job.

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Take Gunnarsson out of the 1st one I'd do it.

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02-15-2013, 11:33 AM
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Grabovski Won't get traded to a team with a Kostitsyn

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Pens don't need Gunnarsson, he's too similar to Martin and Niskanen.

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Weird 1st trade.


The 2nd and 3rd trades seem like we are going in the direction of; "lets win, but get some future"

The Kulemin trade would be one that would happen if we were totally looking to write off the year.

With Kule in the fold and O'Reilly. We can win more defensive games.

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Overall pretty fair, but as someone mentioned, Nashville gave up their 1st and 2nd last year AND they already don't have a second this year so I doubt they trade another 1st.

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i don't like that first offer at all.

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Pit Trade: Overpayment on Toronto, Kulemin only should be enough.

NSH Trade: Makes sense. Grabo would be a huge anchor on the NSH lineup.

COL Trade: Hate this trade for the Leafs, if you're going to give away blue chippers like Gards, give it for a bonafide #1, not a guy who is still a ? whos showing how greedy he is by being one of the last RFAs or at least last big name RFA still holding out.

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We keeping Gardiner, 80% of leafs fans came on this board overhyping the guy and now you want to trade him?? Like come on, some leafs fans are just so over their head...Like keep our young guys and lets build around them.......

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Pit Trade: Overpayment on Toronto, Kulemin only should be enough.

NSH Trade: Makes sense. Grabo would be a huge anchor on the NSH lineup.

COL Trade: Hate this trade for the Leafs, if you're going to give away blue chippers like Gards, give it for a bonafide #1, not a guy who is still a ? whos showing how greedy he is by being one of the last RFAs or at least last big name RFA still holding out.
The reason he's a "?" is because Avs management is beyond idiotic. The reason they gave Duchene a bridge contract is because he wanted a bridge contract, he told management he was going to prove himself over the summer with dedication to a new work ethic. However, when you have your GM handing out 4 million/year to DAVID JONES, its understandable why O'Reilly would like to be paid. I get it, one good season under his belt, albeit a darn good one, doesn't mean you're going to be a 5 million dollar player. I don't think that's the case with him though. I think that it has gotten so bad between him and management that he just wants out now. Its widely speculated that he does not want to be the 3rd line centre behind Duchene and Stastny ala Jordan Staal. Also, Avs management have the "take it or leave it" mentality when it comes to negotiating with RFA's (see: Drury, Deadmarsh, Mueller to name a few), so its not so much that O'Reilly is greedy, as it is Avs management is stupid.

Now, to the trade, obviously Gardiner is a great prospect but one who just came off a concussion; that doesn't help his trade value in any way. He COULD become a 1st pairing defenseman, just like O'Reilly COULD become a 1st line centre. Works both ways and, as an Avs fan, I don't do this trade

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