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Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson?

View Poll Results: Did Cooke intend to injure Karlsson
Sens fan saying yes 30 3.82%
Pens fan saying no 69 8.78%
Yes 175 22.26%
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02-14-2013, 12:42 AM
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Yeah no doubt in my mind he wanted to pull something off when they both went to the boards. Did he want to cut his achilles? Impossible to say but I'm sure he doesn't care about his opponents.

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02-14-2013, 12:43 AM
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Neutral, and no.

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02-14-2013, 12:44 AM
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Looked like an attempted slew foot to me. No intent to injure, but dirty/reckless IMO.

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02-14-2013, 12:44 AM
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Let me take the thread ban and say what most people are thinking:

**** me there are some dumb people on these boards.

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02-14-2013, 12:52 AM
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Let me take the thread ban and say what most people are thinking:

**** me there are some dumb people on these boards.
I guess it's a factual statement...each side thinks the other is lesser informed for believing in the opposite opinion.

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Looking at the clip I'd say no, but because it's Cooke, its hard to believe it wasn't intentional.

I think he did it intentionally.

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I guess it's a factual statement...each side thinks the other is lesser informed for believing in the opposite opinion.
133 - No
40 - Yes

Not exactly an even split.

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02-14-2013, 12:54 AM
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None of the above. Done on purpose, but not with intent to injure

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133 - No
40 - Yes

Not exactly an even split.
Not my intention at all. He was trying to insult one side of the debate (still not sure which), so I jokingly took it as blanket statement that each side thinks the other is dumb (based on his wording).

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02-14-2013, 12:58 AM
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Ya, i dont see any pin.
are you blind? you really can't see that Cooke was pinning him?

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Isn't this right after the play (i.e. Karlsson is in the process of screaming/yelling)? Because right as he went down, the puck did go in that direction.

No , according to these guys ...karlsson was screaming before Cooke even got there

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02-14-2013, 12:59 AM
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are you blind? you really can't see that Cooke was pinning him?
I have yet to see an example posted by anyone that remotely resembles what Cooke did on this play.

Erin Ward's little 2 play montage of pins had nothing in common with what Cooke did.

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Not my intention at all. He was trying to insult one side of the debate (still not sure which), so I jokingly took it as blanket statement that each side thinks the other is dumb (based on his wording).
To be fair, only one side is making a very serious accusation with little more than their feelings on one particular player. There's no admission of guilt, no comments from Cooke or damning video evidence. So to say that he did it on purpose requires someone to leave facts off the table and make a spurious connection.

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02-14-2013, 01:03 AM
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None of the above. Done on purpose, but not with intent to injure
When you're using skates to do anything of the sort... there is intent to injure. With that said Cooke is completely innocent.

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02-14-2013, 01:05 AM
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To paraphrase a poster on the initial thread after this incident, 99% of me says "no," but there is that nagging 1% that goes, "Well, this is Cooke, and he does go after stars...".

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To be fair, only one side is making a very serious accusation with little more than their feelings on one particular player. There's no admission of guilt, no comments from Cooke or damning video evidence. So to say that he did it on purpose requires someone to leave facts off the table and make a spurious connection.
Again...I wasn't trying to say anything with that post...it was a joke in which I was mocking a poster who got unnecessarily heated. If you scroll up to the top of the page, you'll see that I'm one of the people who's of the opinion that it wasn't intentional.

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Not intentional.

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02-14-2013, 01:08 AM
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I have yet to see an example posted by anyone that remotely resembles what Cooke did on this play.

Erin Ward's little 2 play montage of pins had nothing in common with what Cooke did.
Because it was a freak accident... **** happens in a face paced sport. Have you played hockey before? if you did you would know that it is next to impossible to be thinking and making decisions that quickly. If he could he would be one of the smartest dudes in the planet which i highly doubt would be the case, imagine what the possibilities are when your brain can process things so quickly.. .

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No. Nothing more than just a freak accident, and if it wasn't Cooke and somebody else, it'd be a default accident. Reputation is playing a role too much here which is somewhat reasonable, but in the end, is unfair since this is just a hockey play.

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Because it was a freak accident... **** happens in a face paced sport. Have you played hockey before? if you did you would know that it is next to impossible to be thinking and making decisions that quickly. If he could he would be one of the smartest dudes in the planet which i highly doubt would be the case, imagine what the possibilities are when your brain can process things so quickly.. .
Oh ok, so you have NOTHING that supports you and you just hope if you keep saying 'it's a hockey play, it's a pin' over and over and over people will just accept it.

And yes, I have played hockey. Edit: And maybe you want to read what I think about this play before automatically assuming I think Cooke intentionally tried to injure Karlsson. It was just a reckless play to get to the puck and that's my thoughts on it. It wasn't a pin.

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Because it was a freak accident... **** happens in a face paced sport. Have you played hockey before? if you did you would know that it is next to impossible to be thinking and making decisions that quickly. If he could he would be one of the smartest dudes in the planet which i highly doubt would be the case, imagine what the possibilities are when your brain can process things so quickly.. .
I brought up something similar to this in another thread. Basically, it only really looks like intent when you watch it in super slow-motion...at regular speed it was hard to even catch what happened the first time. If Cooke had that kind of situational awareness and reaction time, he'd likely be a much better hockey player.

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02-14-2013, 01:18 AM
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looking at the replay... all i ask myself is what was Cooke's foot doing up there.

i don't think it was intentional - just really stupid and reckless.

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Oh ok, so you have NOTHING that supports you a
He's not the one leveling a very serious accusation at a player. Where is your evidence?

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None of the above. Done on purpose, but not with intent to injure
Unless Cooke discusses it in his memoirs, we'll never know with certainty what the hell it was. But this is a kind of an interesting position, actually. Sort of "I push you into the street, but I didn't mean for the bus to hit you." But if you push the guy in the street, you are still responsible for what happened to him. No push, no bus. So, this would then boil down to the unintended consequence of an irresponsible play.

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Unless Cooke discusses it in his memoirs, we'll never know with certainty what the hell it was. But this is a kind of an interesting position, actually. Sort of "I push you into the street, but I didn't mean for the bus to hit you." But if you push the guy in the street, you are still responsible for what happened to him. No push, no bus. So, this would then boil down to the unintended consequence of an irresponsible play.
Yeah...I'm kind of confused by that argument as well. Did he mean he was trying to step on him, but not injure him? I don't really see how that works. Barring injury, I don't really see what you could be hoping to gain by stepping on someone with a skate blade.

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