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Team with an abundance of talented wingers that needs a goalie?

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02-14-2013, 07:31 AM
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Team with an abundance of talented wingers that needs a goalie?

Just looking for a bit of value here. I'm not sure how sold Edmonton is on Dubnyk, but besides Edmonton is there any other team out there that would be interested in Lehner for a top 6 winger with top 3 potential?


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Lehner is going nowhere.

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Just looking for a bit of value here. I'm not sure how sold Edmonton is on Dubnyk, but besides Edmonton is there any other team out there that would be interested in Lehner/Anderson (preferably Lehner) for a top 6 winger with top 3 potential?
No reason to trade Lehner as he is one of the highest goalie prospects around.
Edmonton cant give up on DD yet atleast until not after they see what they have.

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No reason to trade Lehner as he is one of the highest goalie prospects around.
Edmonton cant give up on DD yet atleast until not after they see what they have.
That's the problem. You don't get rid of a guy like Anderson entering his prime and playing the way he has been playing. Lehner has shown a bit of an ego in the past (even this year) and there's no way that he will play second fiddle to Anderson for the next 2 years.

Why not get the most value for him and really improve our team instead of running into a situation like they have in Vancouver?

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That's the problem. You don't get rid of a guy like Anderson entering his prime and playing the way he has been playing. Lehner has shown a bit of an ego in the past (even this year) and there's no way that he will play second fiddle to Anderson for the next 2 years.

Why not get the most value for him and really improve our team instead of running into a situation like they have in Vancouver?
This is stupid reasoning. Anderson has two more seasons on his contract after this one. If Lehner can't deal with spending next season as a backup and the season after as a platoon, which would be the best thing for his career, he's got no other options.

The situation in Vancouver is completely different. Schneider has proven he is an NHL starting goalie, not a top prospect, who is commanding the cap hit of a starting goalie and Luongo is under contract until the end of time.

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Lehner, Bernier, Schneider...

Whoever is the least expensive to acquire, i will get him.

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This is stupid reasoning. Anderson has two more seasons on his contract after this one. If Lehner can't deal with spending next season as a backup and the season after as a platoon, which would be the best thing for his career, he's got no other options.

The situation in Vancouver is completely different. Schneider has proven he is an NHL starting goalie, not a top prospect, who is commanding the cap hit of a starting goalie and Luongo is under contract until the end of time.
So if Anderson continues to establish himself as one of the league's elite goaltenders then what? You trade the proven elite goaltender to keep the young, talented but ultimately unproven goalie prospect? I don't think so. Anderson has proven himself enough at this point to warrant trading Lehner for the right return. Lehner will be an NHL starter, and a damn good one. But Anderson has been carrying this team for almost 2 years now and carried Colorado to the playoffs. He is a bonafide stud and not someone you let go of -- he's the kind of guy that makes a goalie like Lehner expendable.

Teams that I can think of that might like Lehner are Calgary, Columbus, Edmonton and Winnipeg...just not sure what kind of return or what valuation there would be. Too much to think about.

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So if Anderson continues to establish himself as one of the league's elite goaltenders then what? You trade the proven elite goaltender to keep the young, talented but ultimately unproven goalie prospect? I don't think so. Anderson has proven himself enough at this point to warrant trading Lehner for the right return. Lehner will be an NHL starter, and a damn good one. But Anderson has been carrying this team for almost 2 years now and carried Colorado to the playoffs. He is a bonafide stud and not someone you let go of -- he's the kind of guy that makes a goalie like Lehner expendable.

Teams that I can think of that might like Lehner are Calgary, Columbus, Edmonton and Winnipeg...just not sure what kind of return or what valuation there would be. Too much to think about.
Why can't you keep both just as Vancouver did with Luongo/Schneider? I'm of the opinion that goalies should spend considerable time in the AHL working on their technique before being brought up full time to the NHL, and Lehner is only 21. He should spend all of next season in the AHL with maybe a brief call-up, and then spend 2 seasons as a back-up in the NHL playing 20-30 games per year learning under Anderson. By that time, Lehner will be 25 years old and ready for a starting role and Anderson will be 35. Make a choice then, there is no point in trading a high end goalie prospect before developing them. I'm very thankful that Schneider got that sort of treatment, we're in a wonderful situation now if you ask me.

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Why can't you keep both just as Vancouver did with Luongo/Schneider? I'm of the opinion that goalies should spend considerable time in the AHL working on their technique before being brought up full time to the NHL, and Lehner is only 21. He should spend all of next season in the AHL with maybe a brief call-up, and then spend 2 seasons as a back-up in the NHL playing 20-30 games per year learning under Anderson. By that time, Lehner will be 25 years old and ready for a starting role and Anderson will be 35. Make a choice then, there is no point in trading a high end goalie prospect before developing them. I'm very thankful that Schneider got that sort of treatment, we're in a wonderful situation now if you ask me.
Luongo didnt even spend 30 games in the AHL!

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Considering they have had one of the better goalies in the league so far this year, I would imagine the Oilers are unlikely to waste any value commodities on replacing him innecessarily.

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So if Anderson continues to establish himself as one of the league's elite goaltenders then what? You trade the proven elite goaltender to keep the young, talented but ultimately unproven goalie prospect? I don't think so. Anderson has proven himself enough at this point to warrant trading Lehner for the right return. Lehner will be an NHL starter, and a damn good one. But Anderson has been carrying this team for almost 2 years now and carried Colorado to the playoffs. He is a bonafide stud and not someone you let go of -- he's the kind of guy that makes a goalie like Lehner expendable.

Teams that I can think of that might like Lehner are Calgary, Columbus, Edmonton and Winnipeg...just not sure what kind of return or what valuation there would be. Too much to think about.
You don't trade either of them right now. There is no reason to trade either of them. Who knows how long Anderson can keep his play up? And who knows how well Lehner will develop? The market for goalies is low right now.

If Murray is trading a goalie, it is Bishop. To trade anyone else would be a moronic move on his part barring a huge overpayment for Anderson.


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Maybe Winnipeg or Philadelphia would be interested in Bishop, but Lehner won't return as much as he's worth because of Bernier and Luongo/Schneider being on the market.

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I keep seeing these posts about how one of Lehner or Anderson needs to be moved because Lehner "won't wait", and I have to wonder: what exactly is this leverage that Lehner has? He's coming off an ELC. He's not even eligible for arbitration.

Bishop's the obvious target to be moved. He's actually got more leverage than Lehner does, as a pending RFA/UFA (depending on how many games he plays this year) with arbitration rights and waiver eligibility.

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Luongo didnt even spend 30 games in the AHL!
different era, top 5 pick, bad Isles team

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Maybe Winnipeg or Philadelphia would be interested in Bishop, but Lehner won't return as much as he's worth because of Bernier and Luongo/Schneider being on the market.
Bernier isn't on the market. Dl (kings gm) has stated he isnt shopping bernier nor will he. However im sure like any gm he will listen to offers big difference to being on the market thou

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Lehner has very limited NHL experience he will not bring you back a top 6 winger with top 3 potential. You are better off keeping Lehner and letting him prove himself in the NHL to increase his value at the very least.

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I could see Minnesota being interested in one of Bernier or the other backups on the market, what with Harding's MS problems.

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Nope. Bishop or not happening.

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Just looking for a bit of value here. I'm not sure how sold Edmonton is on Dubnyk, but besides Edmonton is there any other team out there that would be interested in Lehner/Anderson (preferably Lehner) for a top 6 winger with top 3 potential?
No, we should not trade either guy!

Why do Sens fans hate finally having some stability at the goalie position!?


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I'm not sure how sold Edmonton is on Dubnyk,

Very. Management there is higher on Dubnyk than any of the fans ever were or anyone else for that matter. Given the way he's started this season it seems their faith wasn't really misplaced either. He's playing very well, there's no need or desire there to make a move just now. Eventually replacing khabibulin as backup sure but that's not the kind of thing you give up good young forwards for.

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So if Anderson continues to establish himself as one of the league's elite goaltenders then what? You trade the proven elite goaltender to keep the young, talented but ultimately unproven goalie prospect? I don't think so. Anderson has proven himself enough at this point to warrant trading Lehner for the right return. Lehner will be an NHL starter, and a damn good one. But Anderson has been carrying this team for almost 2 years now and carried Colorado to the playoffs. He is a bonafide stud and not someone you let go of -- he's the kind of guy that makes a goalie like Lehner expendable.

Teams that I can think of that might like Lehner are Calgary, Columbus, Edmonton and Winnipeg...just not sure what kind of return or what valuation there would be. Too much to think about.
He's played 13 NHL games over the last 2 years... while he's still a very good prospect, I'm just not sure how anyone can say this until they see more of him in the NHL.

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With the injury last night, I could see Ott ending up trading Anderson sooner than later. Lehner is playing in the NHL next year and he's playing for Ottawa. Anderson has a nice contract and would really be appealing to a team (right now) looking for a goaltender. Just not sure who that team would be.

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With the injury last night, I could see Ott ending up trading Anderson sooner than later. Lehner is playing in the NHL next year and he's playing for Ottawa. Anderson has a nice contract and would really be appealing to a team (right now) looking for a goaltender. Just not sure who that team would be.
Anderson is here for the foreseeable future. Murray has already stated this and rightfully so. He is an elite goalie and you build winning teams with established elite players.

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The Flames have an abundance of pretty talented wingers, but they are more in need of a good 3rd line center that can PK and win faceoffs right now than a goaltender.

I think the Oilers would be a good fit for Bishop, a Dubnyk/Bushop tandem could be very good moving forward for the Oil. But I think they would need to unload Khabibulin first.

Any chance of a 3way?

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