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02-16-2013, 08:07 PM
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They just said on hot stove that the Avs want a Kings Ransom for O'Reilly

Apparently they want 2 roster players, a prospect, and a high draft pick.

Also the Rangers were talking to them about a deal involving MDZ, and the Avs wanted more and the Rangers backed off.

Sounds like the Avs are being unrealistic, I don't think he gets dealt this season.
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UFA after this season, re'sign him for about 3.5 or spend that money on perry/semin
Semin? The guy Darcy all but said he wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole? That's not happening.

And I'm sure Perry will be knocking down the door to come to Buffalo.

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02-16-2013, 08:13 PM
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MDZ isn't better defensively than any of the Colorado blueline, they're right to want more. Coincidentally, we can offer that without much actual roster/future consequence.

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If they want 2 roster players, a prospect AND a high pick, the prospect better be a Pysyk or McCabe and not an Armia or Girgensons. That would just be too much, depending on who the 2 roster players would be of course.

Typical the Rangers would be in talks to get O'Reilly, it seems like they land every player nowadays.

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Ennis, Weber, McCabe, 2nd
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Ennis, Weber, McCabe, 2nd
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I'd be all for that.

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They just said on hot stove that the Avs want a Kings Ransom for O'Reilly

Apparently they want 2 roster players, a prospect, and a high draft pick.

Also the Rangers were talking to them about a deal involving MDZ, and the Avs wanted more and the Rangers backed off.

Sounds like the Avs are being unrealistic, I don't think he gets dealt this season.

Also mentioned they think a team should give him an offer sheet and structure it in a way that the Avs wouldn't be willing to match.

Based on what they are asking for, I'd have to think the Sabres are out for now.
Too rich for my blood. If the Avs won't trade him for less than that, that's the point at which I hope Regier backs out and lets some other GM overpay. ROR is a very good player, but he's not the caliber of player you sell the farm for. Buffalo has plenty of holes to fill on their roster. Selling the farm to fill just that one would be a huge mistake, IMO, and I think we'd pay for it down the line.

Only way I'd be ok with paying that kind of sum for him is if one of the roster players was much lower quality than what we've been talking, and the prospect is mid-tier. So like Ennis + Leopold + Catenacci/JGL, and even then I'm not really interested in adding 2nd or 1st round pick.

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02-16-2013, 08:48 PM
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So COL gives up arguably their 2nd best D man?

Of course Buffalo would do this

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RoR will be a Ranger or Panther imo

Kulikov or MDZ going the other way

EDIT: Senators aswell, they have a glut of young talent.


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02-16-2013, 09:15 PM
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RoR will be a Ranger or Panther imo

Kulikov or MDZ going the other way
Would Florida really be willing to give up Kulikov? If they are, then I don't think we could match that.

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02-16-2013, 09:26 PM
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Would Florida really be willing to give up Kulikov? If they are, then I don't think we could match that.
Unless the Colorado GM has a mancrush on Stafford or McNabb...

That's really what you gotta hope for. That their GM has an unhealthy desire for one of our players that makes him more appetizing in a trade than someone who is clearly better.

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02-16-2013, 09:41 PM
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MDZ isn't better defensively than any of the Colorado blueline, they're right to want more. Coincidentally, we can offer that without much actual roster/future consequence.
He'd instantly be on their top pair and not just because of his offensive prowess. His defense has improved leaps and bounces from 2 years ago. Not sure how often you watch the Rangers but he's above average defensively now. Regardless, I agree that the Rangers would have to add.

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Would Florida really be willing to give up Kulikov? If they are, then I don't think we could match that.
No idea, but looking at their depth chart it would make sense.

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Great article on RoR from Robert Vollman:

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1423

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Great article on RoR from Robert Vollman:

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1423
Nice article, if we all didn't want him before....read this.

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02-16-2013, 10:16 PM
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Great article on RoR from Robert Vollman:

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1423
Good article for people to read that may not be able to watch many Western games and haven't seen what he brings.

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They just said on hot stove that the Avs want a Kings Ransom for O'Reilly

Apparently they want 2 roster players, a prospect, and a high draft pick.

Also the Rangers were talking to them about a deal involving MDZ, and the Avs wanted more and the Rangers backed off.

Sounds like the Avs are being unrealistic, I don't think he gets dealt this season.

Also mentioned they think a team should give him an offer sheet and structure it in a way that the Avs wouldn't be willing to match.

Based on what they are asking for, I'd have to think the Sabres are out for now.
Yet, https://twitter.com/adater/status/302962513606238208

Who freakin' knows at this point.

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Great article on RoR from Robert Vollman:

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/arti...articleid=1423
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Nice article, if we all didn't want him before....read this.
Well, I did want the sabres to pick him up before. After reading that article, it seems impossible that the sabres will pick him up. It would just be too awesome.

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02-16-2013, 11:22 PM
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Stafford, Weber, Pysyk/McCabe, 2nd round pick for O'Reilly.

Vanek - Hodgson - Pominville
Foligno - O'Reilly - Gerbe/Hecht
Ennis - Grigorenko - Ott

Girgensons and Armia still in the system.

I'd rather give up Stafford than Ennis.

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02-16-2013, 11:39 PM
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Stafford, Weber, Pysyk/McCabe, 2nd round pick for O'Reilly.

Vanek - Hodgson - Pominville
Foligno - O'Reilly - Gerbe/Hecht
Ennis - Grigorenko - Ott

Girgensons and Armia still in the system.

I'd rather give up Stafford than Ennis.
who wouldn't?

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Again... Stafford isn't going to be the main piece going back to Colorado in an O'Reilly trade. Plain and simple. He's available because the Avs won't meet his contract demands, surely if they don't want to pay O'Reilly they aren't going to want to pay Stafford 4m/yr. Colorado basically has their own version of Stafford in David Jones.


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Again... Stafford isn't going to be the main piece going back to Colorado in an O'Reilly trade. Plain and simple. He's available because the Avs won't meet his contract demands, surely if they don't want to pay O'Reilly they aren't going to want to pay Stafford 4m/yr. Colorado basically has their own version of Stafford in David Jones.
The Avs don't want to pay O'Reilly, in part, because it throws off their team pay scale. Duchense and Landeskog are 2014 RFAs. If the Avs give O'Reilly what he wants, they pay even bigger in the future. Stafford doesn't effect that dynamic if he is added to their team, because Jones' contract won't set the cost for their RFAs either.

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Again... Stafford isn't going to be the main piece going back to Colorado in an O'Reilly trade. Plain and simple. He's available because the Avs won't meet his contract demands, surely if they don't want to pay O'Reilly they aren't going to want to pay Stafford 4m/yr. Colorado basically has their own version of Stafford in David Jones.
Don't ruin their dreams. Many of these posters thought we could get Bobby Ryan for Roy + Luke Adam + 2nd. Like Anaheim, Colorado won't be trading a quarter for two dimes and a nickel.

I'm not sure we have a player with similar perceived value to MDZ that Regier would be willing to part with.

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On HNIC they were saying avs wanted something like top 6 forward+1st+2 prospects
Would you go stafford+2014 1st+adam+pysyk

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