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04-10-2013, 03:19 PM
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Normally I'd agree but the injury situation has been nothing short of frustrating this year.

Anderson's "day to day" became weeks.
Michalek was also day to day, suddenly needing surgery and now he is day to day again.
Spezza was 2-3 months to whatever his status is now.
Karlsson and Cowen were supposedly done for the year and now it looks like they might be back for the playoffs.
Oh, there is no one more frustrated than me, believe me. Spezza was supposed to be back at April 3rd at worst but now may not even suit up for playoffs.

Frustrated af. However, we get some good news and everyone so quick to shoot it down.

Such an atmosphere is toxic.

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04-10-2013, 03:37 PM
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Guys, just because he is not skating this week doesnt necessarily mean he had a setback. It makes sense that they dont want him to put strain on the achilles everyday, especially if this is the first week EK is back skating. As weeks go on im pretty sure they will increase the intensity and he will skate more often in a week.

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04-10-2013, 03:41 PM
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Oh, there is no one more frustrated than me, believe me. Spezza was supposed to be back at April 3rd at worst but now may not even suit up for playoffs.

Frustrated af. However, we get some good news and everyone so quick to shoot it down.

Such an atmosphere is toxic.
This forum is always nuts when we are losing, even other team's forums are chaos when they lose. That's how it is.

Most of the injury news has been negative so I can't blame people too much for being pessimistic at this point.

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This forum is always nuts when we are losing, even other team's forums are chaos when they lose. That's how it is.

Most of the injury news has been negative so I can't blame people too much for being pessimistic at this point.
If only it were at this point... I remember listening to Team1200 when I could not watch games online and every time after a game, whether a win or a lose there would be people crapping on the Senators. 2006-2007 was bi-polar for the entire season.

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That tweet means very little without context. We don't know if he's doing off ice sessions or receiving physio or just resting. To expect him to just improve exponentially right away is ludicrous. He probably needs to do more than just skate to get his explosiveness back. For all we know, he could be resuming his regular off season training to prep for his return.

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04-10-2013, 05:11 PM
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Ya that doesn't mean anything. They had to find out where he's at.

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There are a ton of different types of steroids. There are a ton of misconceptions about them -- they're used more often than you think even by regular people for their recovery properties.

Again, not saying that he's taking PEDs, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were part of the recovery process.
Just to clear this up..

There is no scientific evidence ANYWHERE that says a steroid can help repair a tendon.. There are studies which say it may help in the recovery but NOTHING that has a scientific basis for a proper conclusion..

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Maybe they want to avoid the media scrutiny. He's only started skating and it's front page news every day.

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Sami Salo seems to think Karlsson's tendon will be stronger then before,

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Tampa Bay Lightning defenseman Sami Salo has gone through his own Achilles’ tendon recovery, so he has some firsthand experience on the issue and doesn’t foresee a problem with Ottawa Senators blueliner Erik Karlsson‘s recovery.

In fact, if anything, Salo thinks the 2012 Norris Trophy winner will come back stronger than ever.

“Speaking to the specialist who operated on mine — he actually did (soccer star David) Beckham’s Achilles, too — he said it’s actually stronger than your other (tendon),” said Salo, according to the Ottawa Citizen. “It shouldn’t be susceptible to any more (injuries), but when you do explosive training, anything’s possible, with all the torque and power you put into different training.

“I’ve met a few track-and-field triple jumpers who had Achilles (surgery) before and they returned to form and jumped longer than before, so (Karlsson’s recovery) shouldn’t be a problem.”

Of course, the Senators don’t really need Karlsson to come back better than he was. They’d gladly settle for getting the old version back.

Karlsson resumed skating less than two months after getting his tendon sliced. The typical recovery time takes six months and Salo was in that range, although Salo’s injury was more severe.

“When mine happened, it sounded like somebody shot a shotgun in the area, with the tendon exploding,” Salo explained. Plus Salo was 36 at the time while Karlsson has the advantage of being only 22 years old.
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Sami Salo knows a thing or two about coming back from injuries. He's been rehabbing for almost 20 years

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They aren't going to rate ay him if his achilles is hanging by a thread, but he will for sure play if he's at 75% or so.
Let's say we're facing elimination in a game 6. First round. I would hate to see him brought into the line up at less than a 100 percent. You don't mess with this sort of injury. It's potential short term gain over long term security.

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Sami Salo knows a thing or two about coming back from injuries. He's been rehabbing for almost 20 years
After reading that and looking at you display picture...good laugh.

As a Canucks fan, Sami looked good the rest of the time he played for Van after the rupture.

If Karlsson comes back stronger that will be a huge plus. On top of which he will come back smarter. He's watched every game thus far. He will come back hungrier, he doesn't like how people compare Letang to him.

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Let's say we're facing elimination in a game 6. First round. I would hate to see him brought into the line up at less than a 100 percent. You don't mess with this sort of injury. It's potential short term gain over long term security.
Alfie has done that before, can't remember what year but it was when we got swept by the Pens. I think EK would do the same, might not be a good idea but he really wants to come back ASAP and help like Cowen.

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It was the year Mark Bell destroyed him with the birdcage on. He had a concussion and partial mcl tear. Kelly and Fisher were injured too, our center depth was destroyed. He came back in game three to play despite those injuries. That's why he's the captain and called God.

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Lol, if Karlsson can come back and play like he did the beginning of the year I'm all set for life, let alone come back stronger, loooooool.

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Alfie has done that before, can't remember what year but it was when we got swept by the Pens. I think EK would do the same, might not be a good idea but he really wants to come back ASAP and help like Cowen.
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It was the year Mark Bell destroyed him with the birdcage on. He had a concussion and partial mcl tear. Kelly and Fisher were injured too, our center depth was destroyed. He came back in game three to play despite those injuries. That's why he's the captain and called God.
I realize that. The issue I have here is that with the ratcheted up intensity of the playoffs, you know other guys are going to be chomping at the bit to hit Karlsson. So far, he hasn't been hit super hard because he's managed to skate away at the last second from huge checks. So much of his game is skating though; my concern is that if he comes back at less than 100% and can't skate quite as quickly, he risks getting walloped by some 4th line scrub.

I'm all for heroics, but I really don't want to risk anything for such short term gain. As I recall, Michalek tried to play a game against Pittsburg with a damaged ligament in his knee, and couldn't go past a period. I can't imagine playing that game helped the long term health of his knees.

Not to disparage Milan, but it's Michalek. He's got an injury history, and it remains to be seen whether he'll be resigned when his current contract is over. Imagine our young franchise Norris winner trying to play at less than 100% and suffering a serious injury as a consequence of trying to come back too early. I might be on board if it's the Eastern conference finals, or the Cup, but I cringe at the idea of him coming back in the 1st round and wrecking himself.

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I like how posters seem to undermine the knowledge of a doctor LOL. People forget how special a person like Karlsson is, he is can absolute beast, partly in my opinion genetic. He is a warrior, he will come back for the playoffs, which is nearly under-heard of in such a short period (sans- Bieksa) If Karlsson, Spezza, Michalek and Cowen come back we are in for something special folks. We can challenge any team with a healthy roster.

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I like how posters seem to undermine the knowledge of a doctor LOL. People forget how special a person like Karlsson is, he is can absolute beast, partly in my opinion genetic. He is a warrior, he will come back for the playoffs, which is nearly under-heard of in such a short period (sans- Bieksa) If Karlsson, Spezza, Michalek and Cowen come back we are in for something special folks. We can challenge any team with a healthy roster.

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You are making no sense at all! But I agree a 100% healthy Senscan challenge any team. Also loving the fact you are from Vancouver. I thought I was the only one!

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According to a Garrioch tweet Karlsson will not be skating anymore this week.
That's good news. Isn't he building strenght in his right ankle? So he's testing the ankle any time he skates and if he needs to get stronger, he'll have some gym days, or physio days.

So, we do not have to get caught up. Karlsson will be back for the playoff if we make it.
His skating is done for the week, that's it. His rehab is at another step and the step for now is to take care of that ankle to push stronger next week.

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Makes perfect sense that he's stopped skating.

Get on the ice, test it out, stretch it out, put some stress on it, see how it responds then shut it down and let it heal some more.

God I hope we make the playoffs

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Good to see Karlsson doing so well but I don't want him to come back if he's less than 100%. I'd rather see Karlsson come back at 100% next season rather than at 80 or 90% come playoff time.

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Good to see Karlsson doing so well but I don't want him to come back if he's less than 100%. I'd rather see Karlsson come back at 100% next season rather than at 80 or 90% come playoff time.
Agreed 100%. But I can't help but imagine the reaction within the hockey world if he made an appearance in the playoffs if we make it.

I think the only other comparable is when Crosby made his first return from his concussion. And this would be playoffs so the hype would be that much greater.

I don't want him to come back pre-maturely, but holy crap that would be amazing to see.

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Good to see Karlsson doing so well but I don't want him to come back if he's less than 100%. I'd rather see Karlsson come back at 100% next season rather than at 80 or 90% come playoff time.
Agreed but the temptation will be very strong if that's the case.

Karlsson at 80% is still about 1000% better than who he'd bump out of the lineup.

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Agreed 100%. But I can't help but imagine the reaction within the hockey world if he made an appearance in the playoffs if we make it.

I think the only other comparable is when Crosby made his first return from his concussion. And this would be playoffs so the hype would be that much greater.

I don't want him to come back pre-maturely, but holy crap that would be amazing to see.
I think the hype would be a bit different. Crosby is Canadian and we heard every day on national television how he was doing. Karlsson is a little more low key, especially because Crosby is Canadian so TSN/CBC hype him up big time.

But the difference is Karlsson would be returning when nobody thought he would return this season. And as you said, for the playoffs. SBP would be rocking.

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Just to clear this up..

There is no scientific evidence ANYWHERE that says a steroid can help repair a tendon.. There are studies which say it may help in the recovery but NOTHING that has a scientific basis for a proper conclusion..
There's definitely enough supposition out there and studies that support the idea that they are used for the recovery.

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