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03-02-2013, 04:47 PM
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Got my top 9 drafted was wondering if this is the way I should go with my top 3 lines:

Denneny-Clarke-Gilbert
Prentice-Oates-Bondra
Parise-Sutter- Graham

Also my Power Play as of now:

PP 1: Denneny, Oates, Gilbert, Suchy, Horton
PP 2: Prentice, Clarke, Bondra, Hartsburg, Horner

PK 1: Prentice, Sutter, Horton, Smith
PK 2: Graham, Clarke, Horner, Suchy

All suggestions are welcome.
All I would consider is Bondra on the top unit with Oates over Gilbert or maybe on the point over Suchy or Horton.

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03-02-2013, 05:27 PM
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Such a hassle having 2 Centerman who are more then capable of having a spot next to a guy like Charlie Conacher on a 2nd line.

Or potentially having the luxury of placing Ted Kennedy on a 2nd or even 3rd line. My team is in so much trouble
Sedin is not a ''more than capable 1st liner''.

I thought Conacher was now on your 1st line? It's very conveniant for you to change your line-up every 3 hours and then use the new line-up to back your argument such as: ''Conacher gives me a great 2nd line!''

Then 6 hours later when someone criticize your first line you come back with something like : ''Name me one 1st line with awesome wingers such as Lindsay and Conacher!!111!''

It's pretty clear by now that you have no plan at all when building your team , you only switch your line-up according to the last suggestions you received , then 2 days later you'll ask for advice (or should I say attention?) again and re-organize your line-up based on what people will tell you.Everybody might need help here and there but you obviously only ask for advice because you are looking for attention to your line-up.You are transparent.


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03-02-2013, 05:34 PM
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Got my top 9 drafted was wondering if this is the way I should go with my top 3 lines:

Denneny-Clarke-Gilbert
Prentice-Oates-Bondra
Parise-Sutter- Graham

Also my Power Play as of now:

PP 1: Denneny, Oates, Gilbert, Suchy, Horton
PP 2: Prentice, Clarke, Bondra, Hartsburg, Horner

PK 1: Prentice, Sutter, Horton, Smith
PK 2: Graham, Clarke, Horner, Suchy

All suggestions are welcome.
I love JP Parise's work ethic, but sell me on his defensive ability.

I think Clarke can definitely play 1st unit on one of your special teams - I would swap the forwards on your two PK units.

I disagree with MB - I think Gilbert is a better offensive player than Bondra. Though using Bondra at the point is always an option if you want to cut back on Horton's minutes.

I'm not really a fan of Steve Smith on an ATD top special teams unit.

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03-02-2013, 05:46 PM
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Got my top 9 drafted was wondering if this is the way I should go with my top 3 lines:

Denneny-Clarke-Gilbert
Prentice-Oates-Bondra
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Your top 6 ressemble my top 6 of last year.

Denneny-Nighbor-Balderis
Elias-Oates-Hextall Sr.

I think this is a nice set-up for your lines (obviously )


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03-02-2013, 06:17 PM
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Sedin is not a ''more than capable 1st liner''.

I thought Conacher was now on your 1st line? It's very conveniant for you to change your line-up every 3 hours and then use the new line-up to back your argument such as: ''Conacher gives me a greats 2nd line!''

Then 6 hours later when someone criticize your first line you come back with something like : ''Name me one 1st line with awesome wingers such as Lindsay and Conacher!!111!''

It's pretty clear by now that you have no plan at all when building your team , you only switch your line-up according to the last suggestions you received , then 2 days later you'll ask for advice (or should I say attention?) again and re-organize your line-up based on what people will tell you.Everybody might need help here and there but you obviously only ask for advice because you are looking for attention to your line-up.You are transparent.


A.***show me where I said Sedin was a more then capable 1st line center.

B ***last time I checked this was a lineup advice thread.

C.*** the versatility of my team is an enormous advantage being able to shuffle players around based on need or situation. Teams like yours are plain SOL not being able to adapt to situations and are forced to leave their lines as it.

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A.***show me where I said Sedin was a more then capable 1st line center.

B ***last time I checked this was a lineup advice thread.

C.*** the versatility of my team is an enormous advantage being able to shuffle players around based on need or situation. Teams like yours are plain SOL not being able to adapt to situations and are forced to leave their lines as it.
lol.

anything else?

edit: oh and by the way , if you intend to always shuffle your players , why are you in this thread 24/7 trying to figure out how to organize your lines? Why would you want to lose such versatility and such an enormous advantage?


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lol.

anything else?

edit: oh and by the way , if you intend to always shuffle your players , why are you in this thread 24/7 trying to figure out how to organize your lines? Why would you want to lose such versatility and such an enormous advantage?
***How am I losing that advantage?

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***How am I losing that advantage?
Then what's the point of creating a line-up , if you intend to endlessly shuffle your players?

Ever heard of stability and chemistry?

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Then what's the point of creating a line-up , if you intend to endlessly shuffle your players?

Ever heard of stability and chemistry?
Funny. I'm under the impression that the season hasn't started yet.

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03-03-2013, 10:57 AM
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Here are the units that I have completed:


Sprague Cleghorn - Bert Corbeau
Harry Howell - Dan Boyle
Craig Ludwig - Dion Phaneuf


Powerplay:
PP1: Rick Nash - Nels Stewart - Jaromir Jagr
Ron Francis - Dan Boyle


Thoughts?

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03-03-2013, 11:02 AM
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Here are the units that I have completed:


Sprague Cleghorn - Bert Corbeau
Harry Howell - Dan Boyle
Craig Ludwig - Dion Phaneuf


Powerplay:
PP1: Rick Nash - Nels Stewart - Jaromir Jagr
Ron Francis - Dan Boyle


Thoughts?
I don't think Corbeau should be on a top pairing...I'd put Howell next to Cleghorn.

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Here are the units that I have completed:


Sprague Cleghorn - Bert Corbeau
Harry Howell - Dan Boyle
Craig Ludwig - Dion Phaneuf


Powerplay:
PP1: Rick Nash - Nels Stewart - Jaromir Jagr
Ron Francis - Dan Boyle


Thoughts?
Even as fan of Bert Corbeau, it's a disaster to have him on a first pairing at ES. I would definitely go with this:

Cleghorn - Howell
Corbeau - Boyle
Ludwig - Phaneuf

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03-03-2013, 11:47 AM
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Please put Phaneuf and Corbeau together as your bottom pairing. It would entertain me!


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03-03-2013, 11:59 AM
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Here are the units that I have completed:


Sprague Cleghorn - Bert Corbeau
Harry Howell - Dan Boyle
Craig Ludwig - Dion Phaneuf


Powerplay:
PP1: Rick Nash - Nels Stewart - Jaromir Jagr
Ron Francis - Dan Boyle


Thoughts?
I think you've drafted yourself into a corner. I'd be afraid to put any combination of Corbeau, Phaneuf, and Boyle out as a pairing at ES, and the only way to avoid that is to have the pairings the way they are, unless you are willing to throw one of them on the bench(Corbeau would be my recommendation). Even if you do that, there isn't a guy who hasn't been drafted that I'd be comfortable putting on a 1st pairing next to Cleghorn. You could put Howell on the first pairing with him, but that would leave you with a pretty bad 2nd pairing of Ludwig-Boyle, and a disaster on the 3rd pairing with Phaneuf and Corbeau, unless you sit one of them.

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03-03-2013, 12:37 PM
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So what do you guys think of Gary Suter-Ken Morrow as my second pairing? It could just as well be Paul Reinhart-Morrow as well.

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God damn it, i was surprised in the beginning but i got so locked in my thinking process that i took Bengt-Åke Gustafssons RW position in last years draft lift for granted, saw a collector card as well listing him as a RW as well. What's the story there?

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So what do you guys think of Gary Suter-Ken Morrow as my second pairing? It could just as well be Paul Reinhart-Morrow as well.
Suter is a wicked second pair guy but Morrow is extremely underwhelming.

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With the personnel you currently have, I think:

Cleghorn - Howell
Ludwig - Boyle
Corbeau - Phaneuf

...it probably your best bet at this point. Ludwig - Boyle is not a great 2nd pairing, but it's also not a complete disaster. Some people have an irrational hate of Dan Boyle around here, but he is at worst a high-end #4 defenseman, and Ludwig is at least a passable defensive #4. Your second pairing will be an area of weakness, but it's better to be a bit shaky there than on the first pairing, where Bert Corbeau absolutely does not belong, and would get stomped by ATD top lines.

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God damn it, i was surprised in the beginning but i got so locked in my thinking process that i took Bengt-Åke Gustafssons RW position in last years draft lift for granted, saw a collector card as well listing him as a RW as well. What's the story there?
He can play all three forward positions. Seems like RW was his primary position but he got shifted all around.

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Suter is a wicked second pair guy but Morrow is extremely underwhelming.
Aha that's interesting, what was his problem then? As i've got it he was supposed to cover up for Potvin?

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Aha that's interesting, what was his problem then? As i've got it he was supposed to cover up for Potvin?
I think Morrow is just fine, his only problem is a short, injury-plagued career. He was an elite defensive defender during the '80s.

Because injuries are a concern you should have a backup plan in mind.

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Here are the units that I have completed:


Sprague Cleghorn - Bert Corbeau
Harry Howell - Dan Boyle
Craig Ludwig - Dion Phaneuf


Powerplay:
PP1: Rick Nash - Nels Stewart - Jaromir Jagr
Ron Francis - Dan Boyle


Thoughts?
I basically agree with what others say about your defense. I don't think any of Corbeau, Ludwig, or Corbeau is ideal in the top 4, but Ludwig fits best with Boyle from a chemistry standpoint.

As Billy points out, Corbeau - Phaneuf will probably be prone to getting out of position going for the big hit though.

I also think Rick Nash is over his head on a top line/1st PP at this level, but that probably doesn't come as a surprise to you.

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So what do you guys think of Gary Suter-Ken Morrow as my second pairing? It could just as well be Paul Reinhart-Morrow as well.
High on chemistry, relatively low on talent. You didn't draft your #2 defenseman until the 11th round it seems, so that was always going to be a weakness.

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You could put Howell on the first pairing with him, but that would leave you with a pretty bad 2nd pairing of Ludwig-Boyle, and a disaster on the 3rd pairing with Phaneuf and Corbeau, unless you sit one of them.
Gah I guess next year I'll have to finally break down and draft defense first like most do.. I goofed with Corbeau for sure but it seems like you have to draft a top 4 as a first priority in this to have a defense that doesn't get trashed haha

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With the personnel you currently have, I think:

Cleghorn - Howell
Ludwig - Boyle
Corbeau - Phaneuf

...it probably your best bet at this point. Ludwig - Boyle is not a great 2nd pairing, but it's also not a complete disaster. Some people have an irrational hate of Dan Boyle around here, but he is at worst a high-end #4 defenseman, and Ludwig is at least a passable defensive #4. Your second pairing will be an area of weakness, but it's better to be a bit shaky there than on the first pairing, where Bert Corbeau absolutely does not belong, and would get stomped by ATD top lines.
I guess Cleghorn and Howell should be quite strong and that will somewhat offset a weaker second pairing. And a third pairing can be sheltered somewhat because they don't play as much.

Not to mention I have some goaltending to cover up some warts.

And a coach known for getting a lot out of a defensive staff as a unit doesn't hurt me apparently.

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I basically agree with what others say about your defense. I don't think any of Corbeau, Ludwig, or Corbeau is ideal in the top 4, but Ludwig fits best with Boyle from a chemistry standpoint.
I guess I will go that route.

I didn't get that Corbeau was as adventurous as he apparently is when I drafted him.


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I also think Rick Nash is over his head on a top line/1st PP at this level, but that probably doesn't come as a surprise to you.
I think he has enough of a career now. He has 7 30+ goal seasons and in the NHL environment lately that is pretty unusual.

And the guy has sick hands and skating ability for a player his size.

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Here's my top 9...

Woody Dumart - Doug Gilmour - Mike Bossy
Paul Thompson - Frank Fredrickson - Bob Nevin
Gilles Tremblay - Ivan Hlinka - John MacLean

At this point are these the best PP lineups to go with?

PP1: Fredrickson - Gilmour - Bossy
PP2: Thompson - Hlinka - Dumart

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Here's my top 9...

Woody Dumart - Doug Gilmour - Mike Bossy
Paul Thompson - Frank Fredrickson - Bob Nevin
Gilles Tremblay - Ivan Hlinka - John MacLean

At this point are these the best PP lineups to go with?

PP1: Fredrickson - Gilmour - Bossy
PP2: Thompson - Hlinka - Dumart
MacLean might actually be a better option than Dumart on that 2nd unit.

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