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03-10-2013, 02:15 PM
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Vancouver doesn't have a prospect close to Wilson's worth. Their Future Watch ranking is 29th.

But even if you got their top prospect, Nicklas Jensen, and their late 1st would you deal those two assets, Johansson, and Forsberg for Yandle?

That still seems like an awful lot.
Didn't see this response before I had edited my post, but most definitely it is too much and as I noted it seemed more assets being proposed then what was done in the ROR talks.

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03-10-2013, 03:47 PM
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Ok so it looks like the Phoenix board's counter offer is Johansson, Neuvirth, Forsberg, and a 2013 protected 1st (if top 10 it becomes a 2013 and 2014 2nd instead) for Yandle.

My original offer was Johansson, Neuvirth, Wilson, and a 2013 2nd for Yandle.

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As someone who has attended or watched 95% of the games in Yandle's career, that is way too much. I like him but he has his flaws and is a more offensive version of Carlson. If you are trading a first and Wilson or Forsberg as part of a package, it needs to be for a #1 dman which Yandle is not.

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03-10-2013, 04:10 PM
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As someone who has attended or watched 95% of the games in Yandle's career, that is way too much. I like him but he has his flaws and is a more offensive version of Carlson. If you are trading a first and Wilson or Forsberg as part of a package, it needs to be for a #1 dman which Yandle is not.
I'd argue there isn't a legit number 1 who is even available. What would you feel is a fair offer for Yandle?

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03-10-2013, 07:42 PM
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Yandle is literally the last player this team needs. Why are we even entertaining giving up core assets for him. I'd honestly rather trade for Luongo when taking into account each of their trade values.

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03-10-2013, 11:50 PM
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I'd argue there isn't a legit number 1 who is even available. What would you feel is a fair offer for Yandle?
I'd have no problems trading MJ, Neuvy and a 1st for Yandle. I am not sure that would be enough but I would not include Forsberg or Wilson in a deal for Yandle.

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03-11-2013, 01:30 AM
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That 1st is a top 5 pick. We have a Yandle in Mike Green and we can't get rid of him fast enough.

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03-11-2013, 02:31 PM
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That 1st is a top 5 pick. We have a Yandle in Mike Green and we can't get rid of him fast enough.
Yeah we would need to first trade Ribeiro for a late first and include that first in the deal for Yandle. No way you want to turn a trade for Yandle into a Kessel like deal...

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03-11-2013, 04:05 PM
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Maybe there's something I missed earlier in this thread, but I don't get the sudden interest in Yandle. IMO, we could get a guy like Giordano or Sekera for a lot less than what's being discussed here, and either of them would be better defensively than Yandle, which seems like the more pressing need.

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03-11-2013, 04:24 PM
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Maybe there's something I missed earlier in this thread, but I don't get the sudden interest in Yandle. IMO, we could get a guy like Giordano or Sekera for a lot less than what's being discussed here, and either of them would be better defensively than Yandle, which seems like the more pressing need.
If Buffalo's selling Sekera, I would be buying. He's a great fit at 2LD.

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03-11-2013, 07:06 PM
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Maybe there's something I missed earlier in this thread, but I don't get the sudden interest in Yandle. IMO, we could get a guy like Giordano or Sekera for a lot less than what's being discussed here, and either of them would be better defensively than Yandle, which seems like the more pressing need.
Eklund said the Caps were interested. Sure since it came from Eklund that means it definitely won't happen but it was an interesting way to pass the time...

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03-11-2013, 10:12 PM
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Help the WASHINGTON CAPITALS

I truly believe washington needs a complete overhaul.

This is starting from the top down
So let's assume GMGM is already replaced and an accountable atmosphere is instilled.

IMO, this team needs the following:

A top line winger
2 defensive d-men at least top 4 (tyutin/hedja types)
Veteran thats already established as a leader to take on the captaincy burden Ovi has on himself
3a/2b two way faceoff taking center
Veteran Backup


IMO, this team should be shopping the following:
Ribeiro
Green
Perreault
Ward
Johansson
Neuvirth
Chimera
Schultz


Obviously this is a mix of value and the proverbial doghouse players



Fantasy Makeup:

Trades to consider:
Vermette
Michalek
Tyutin/Hejda

Free agents to consider:
Perry
Morrow
Garon




Ovechkin - Backstrom - Perry
Forsberg - Vermette - Brouwer
Morrow - Laich - Fehr
Hendricks - Beagle - Volpatti

Alzner - Michalek
Hejda - Carlson
Erskine - Orlov
Kundratek

Holtby
Garon


im bored


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03-11-2013, 10:38 PM
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This probably belongs in the Acquisition/Roster Building thread.

Anyway, for the sake of discussion, how do you plan on acquiring Vermette, Michalek, and Hejda/Tyutin? Each of those guys are currently in top line/pairing roles, so they're not going to come cheap.

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03-11-2013, 10:43 PM
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im bored
Yes, yes you are.

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03-12-2013, 12:41 AM
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When did 40+ point 21 year olds start growing on trees?

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03-12-2013, 01:08 AM
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Well pretty much all the guys I wanted absolutely tanked to hell this year, so

Ovechkin Weiss Setoguchi
Clowe Backstrom Brouwer
Kulemin ??? Forsberg
Hendricks Beagle Ward

Alzner Carlson
Smid Orlov
Erskine Kundratek

All of a sudden doesn't look like it'd cost as much of arm and a leg

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03-12-2013, 01:20 AM
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Not remotely interested in a defense with that little puck movement.

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03-12-2013, 03:16 AM
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Yandle is literally the last player this team needs. Why are we even entertaining giving up core assets for him. I'd honestly rather trade for Luongo when taking into account each of their trade values.
I agree, especially not for the cost is would require to get him.

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03-12-2013, 08:15 AM
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Not remotely interested in a defense with that little puck movement.


All Dmen should be able to move the puck.

Puck Moving is code for: doesn't stick-handle well.

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03-12-2013, 08:52 AM
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I truly believe washington needs a complete overhaul.

This is starting from the top down
So let's assume GMGM is already replaced and an accountable atmosphere is instilled.

IMO, this team needs the following:

A top line winger
2 defensive d-men at least top 4 (tyutin/hedja types)
Veteran thats already established as a leader to take on the captaincy burden Ovi has on himself
3a/2b two way faceoff taking center
Veteran Backup


IMO, this team should be shopping the following:
Ribeiro
Green
Perreault
Ward
Johansson
Neuvirth
Chimera
Schultz


Obviously this is a mix of value and the proverbial doghouse players



Fantasy Makeup:

Trades to consider:
Vermette
Michalek
Tyutin/Hejda

Free agents to consider:
Perry
Morrow
Garon




Ovechkin - Backstrom - Perry
Forsberg - Vermette - Brouwer
Morrow - Laich - Fehr
Hendricks - Beagle - Volpatti

Alzner - Michalek
Hejda - Carlson
Erskine - Orlov
Kundratek

Holtby
Garon


im bored
What would you give for Garon?

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03-12-2013, 09:04 AM
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What would you give for Garon?
"Free agents to consider"

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All Dmen should be able to move the puck.

Puck Moving is code for: doesn't stick-handle well.
actually, its not. scott hannan is the meaning of not a puck mover. i think drake said that hannan is where transition goes to die. erskine cant pass the puck to create offense and cant skate it into a transition offense. he goes off the glass and out or makes only basic passes to the nearest player.

the puck mover creates offense from defense.

btw...the notion that the caps need TWO defense first top 4 defensemen is ridiculous. karl alzner is arleady a top end d first defenseman. he does not need to be replaced and the caps dont need to spend top 4 money for a 3rd pair defenseman.

edit: i also like the exchange of ribeiro out and vermette in. that is a wonderful improvement. geez

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03-12-2013, 10:31 AM
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Trade for one of Tyutin/Hamhuis/Edler/Garrison and the defense is fine when healthy. The real issue is to decide what to do with Green; and the subsequent moves that would be required if you move him.

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Jersey's SCF team didn't exactly have a glut of puckmovers. LA had Doughty, two rookie puckmovers, Mitchell who can pass but is nothing special and two grenade handlers. Boston traded for Kaberle but barely put him to any good use. We could probably use a Mark Streit or something (or just plug Green in there, but he's a flake now so that's completely pointless), but it's not all that far off.

The best puck movement comes from rock solid defense.

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03-12-2013, 11:06 AM
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Was Rod Langway considered a puck mover? He certainly didn't rack up many points.

It seems puck movers are quite often defensive liabilities. So you try to win 4-3 versus 2-1.

Putting the forwards into places that even I could make an outlet pass, seems half the battle.

Bruce would stretch the ice and make long difficult passes more mandatory, its why we sucked without Green under Bruce.

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03-12-2013, 01:53 PM
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actually, its not. scott hannan is the meaning of not a puck mover. i think drake said that hannan is where transition goes to die. erskine cant pass the puck to create offense and cant skate it into a transition offense. he goes off the glass and out or makes only basic passes to the nearest player.

the puck mover creates offense from defense.

btw...the notion that the caps need TWO defense first top 4 defensemen is ridiculous. karl alzner is arleady a top end d first defenseman. he does not need to be replaced and the caps dont need to spend top 4 money for a 3rd pair defenseman.

edit: i also like the exchange of ribeiro out and vermette in. that is a wonderful improvement. geez

Much more balanced roster.

This team already has a lackluster faceoff taking center with skill making over 6mil.

And who said anything about king karl being replaced?
It helped if you read
There's nothing wrong with having a hejda type play 5spot if the defense is that legit.

This team has the most pathetic excuse for a dcore in the NHL right now.

You take that money and balance out your roster. And you ship out what you can that is redundant to replenish what it will take to trade for those defensive commodities.


This team is shoring

Alzner - Kundratek
Schultz-Carlson
Schilling-Oleksy

For tonights game. And board shy fragile green doesn't make that much better


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