Like TX said...18 goals is his tops. Last year he had 55pts. MJ had 46pts in a strict trapping system for half the season and an even worse Hunter Hockey system the other half.
ROR has 107pts in 236 games. You guys are acting like he is some awesome player. He's good but not worth Ribeiro+Forsberg+MJ which would end up being what would happen.
5 million? Nahh
Er, you realize taking his entire career points/career games, which include two years of being an 18 and 19 year old third line shutdown center, doesn't paint an accurate picture of the player he is currently at all? It would be like painting Seguin as a Laich-ish 50 point winger since he has 95 points in 166 games. Or painting Thornton as a 40 point player after his first 3 years since that's roughly what he averaged.
He is what he is, a 22 year old guy who is capable of at 50+ points, tenacious forechecking and practically Selke caliber defense at this stage in his career, who got there by having a work ethic that makes Zach Parise look like a lazy slob.
Laich at 3C is a 2-2.5 million dollar player if that. If that's the best he has to offer his cap space needs to go somewhere else. Seto and McClemment combined make what he does and each is as good or better than him in either of those roles.
I have long thought that Ovi's rapid progression to best player in the world caught George off guard. He literally single handed expedited our rebuild, whether George wanted it or not.
I don't think it is as simple as Ovechkin being great, he was great under Hanlon, it was Boudreau's system combined with the extremely talented young guns that masked the weaknesses of much of the rest of the roster and made the team as a whole of lot better than it really was, in the regular season anyway.
I don't think it is as simple as Ovechkin being great, he was great under Hanlon, it was Boudreau's system combined with the extremely talented young guns that masked the weaknesses of much of the rest of the roster and made the team as a whole of lot better than it really was, in the regular season anyway.
Ok, Bruce unleashing everyone all led by Ovechkin, is what turned us into a contender basically overnight.
Without Ovi though, I dont think Bruce turns it around so quickly, naturally.
Without Ovi though, I dont think Bruce turns it around so quickly, naturally.
Of course but I just wanted to point out that IMO anyway it wasn't just Ovechkin, it was Ovechkin, Semin, Backstrom, Green, and the system that made the whole of the team a heck of a lot more than the sum or it's parts.
I doubt Orlov gets traded. His handedness and side preference make him an odd fit for a lot of coaches.
Do you see Orlov passing Green or Carlson on the depth chart any time soon? I don't, hence why he's spendable. I too feel he has a lot of upside, but if he's looking at 3rd pair and 2nd PP-time I can easily see giving him up for ROR.
Ribeiro has been great, but this season is looking like a fail, and if Caps/GMGM are serious about being a contender every year, they sell on Ribs when his value is high and build around Backstrom/O'Reilly down the middle. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. So I'd rather have a selke candidate as our 2C for maybe 10 yrs than a 1a/1b (where one's purely one-way minded) combo for say 3 yrs.
And it won't be a 3 for 1, neither player traded for ROR is currently in the line up, Ribeiro will also bring something back (mid 1st round pick). So instead of losing him for nothing after the season (if he doesn't want to re-sign) and have the Caps hoping MoJo still is the answer, their set at C, still have Forsberg/Kuznetsov/Wilson and can add another good prospect through the draft.
Do you see Orlov passing Green or Carlson on the depth chart any time soon? I don't, hence why he's spendable. I too feel he has a lot of upside, but if he's looking at 3rd pair and 2nd PP-time I can easily see giving him up for ROR.
Let me be more clear: I don't think other teams will have as much of an interest in him because he's a RH LD. Nothing about whether he's expendable or not. Though like Forsberg, I'd probably give him up for ROR and not much else.
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Ribeiro has been great, but this season is looking like a fail, and if Caps/GMGM are serious about being a contender every year, they sell on Ribs when his value is high and build around Backstrom/O'Reilly down the middle. Offense wins games, defense wins championships. So I'd rather have a selke candidate as our 2C for maybe 10 yrs than a 1a/1b (where one's purely one-way minded) combo for say 3 yrs.
And it won't be a 3 for 1, neither player traded for ROR is currently in the line up, Ribeiro will also bring something back (mid 1st round pick). So instead of losing him for nothing after the season (if he doesn't want to re-sign) and have the Caps hoping MoJo still is the answer, their set at C, still have Forsberg/Kuznetsov/Wilson and can add another good prospect through the draft.
Assuming they take Laich and Orlov/MoJo, yeah. If Laich isn't part of the deal, Ribeiro has to be gone by next season for cap reasons. It might still be too much even with Laich in the deal. Still, I'd rather give ROR Laich's money than Laich, so if the Avs are willing to take a package around him, I'd do it.
Do you see Orlov passing Green or Carlson on the depth chart any time soon? I don't, hence why he's spendable. I too feel he has a lot of upside, but if he's looking at 3rd pair and 2nd PP-time I can easily see giving him up for ROR.
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Good point.
How many 1RD's can we even afford? Green and Carslon just inked big contracts and presumed are not going anywhere. Kundratek is the new shiny toy.
Teams will love Orlov is a natural left shot RD, affording them putting a left shot back home.
I would like to keep Orlov because he hits but I fear his latest injury, to be honest.
Let me be more clear: I don't think other teams will have as much of an interest in him because he's a RH LD. Nothing about whether he's expendable or not. Though like Forsberg, I'd probably give him up for ROR and not much else.
Assuming they take Laich and Orlov/MoJo, yeah. If Laich isn't part of the deal, Ribeiro has to be gone by next season for cap reasons. It might still be too much even with Laich in the deal. Still, I'd rather give ROR Laich's money than Laich, so if the Avs are willing to take a package around him, I'd do it.
Looking at the Avs D-corps I think they'll take anything with upside at the moment. And they only have Siemens as a promising left-shooting puckmover.
I'd rather have a combo of ROR/Laich, than ROR/Ribs or Ribs/Laich. The first combo is IMO the type of players you build around.
I would also strip both Ovechkin and Backstrom of their respective letters and give them to players that can hold others responsible for their actions or lack there of.
If you have a choice between Laich at 4.5 and Ribeiro at 5-5.5 and you take Laich...
No, I take Laich with ROR, big difference. If Caps get ROR they need Laich more than Ribs.
I feel it's important to have a good two-way 2nd line to match up against other teams top units. Other wise it'll be like last year when the meat-and-potatoes line (Chimera-Laich-Ward) had more TOI then the 2nd line. And that two-way 2nd line would be very good if Laich-O'Reilly and shooter with some good D instincts.
No, I take Laich with ROR, big difference. If Caps get ROR they need Laich more than Ribs.
I feel it's important to have a good two-way 2nd line to match up against other teams top units. Other wise it'll be like last year when the meat-and-potatoes line (Chimera-Laich-Ward) had more TOI then the 2nd line. And that two-way 2nd line would be very good if Laich-O'Reilly and shooter with some good D instincts.
Absolutely not. Laich's role on that line could be replaced by a smart 1.5-3 million dollar winger. Winnik or Clutterbuck would be as or even more effective. On the other hand, we really have no one quite like Ribeiro aside from Backstrom, and Ribeiro's been shiftier.
Keep O'Reilly as a 2W during the season, then have him anchor a Cooke-Staal-Kennedy type 3rd line during the playoffs which could be 2 way 2nd line caliber.
Absolutely not. Laich's role on that line could be replaced by a smart 1.5-3 million dollar winger. Winnik or Clutterbuck would be as or even more effective. On the other hand, we really have no one quite like Ribeiro aside from Backstrom, and Ribeiro's been shiftier.
Keep O'Reilly as a 2W during the season, then have him anchor a Cooke-Staal-Kennedy type 3rd line during the playoffs which could be 2 way 2nd line caliber.
Has any recent cup-winners had a Clutterbuck (carrer high 34 pts) or Winnik (carrer high 26 pts) in their top-6?
Wasn't everyone's hate on Laich because of him earning 4,5M on the 3rd line and now you want ROR to make the same or more to play in the same position?
Edit: And Ribeiro has 10 PPP (which is league-leading), while only 1+6 playing even strength in 14 games (not as incredible). I also noticed he wins less then 4 out of 10 faceoffs.
Has any recent cup-winners had a Clutterbuck (carrer high 34 pts) or Winnik (carrer high 26 pts) in their top-6?
Wasn't everyone's hate on Laich because of him earning 4,5M on the 3rd line and now you want ROR to make the same or more to play in the same position?
Edit: And Ribeiro has 10 PPP (which is league-leading), while only 1+6 playing even strength in 14 games (not as incredible). I also noticed he wins less then 4 out of 10 faceoffs.
So you're crapping on Ribeiro for being a beneficiary of the PP, yet forgetting to mention that without being force-fed PP time Laich is a 10 goal winger and 35 point player.
Malkin had worse wingers.
Laich doesn't play like a 4.5 million dollar 3C. O'Reilly does, at least in that role.
