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Every season for many years now, fans and Habs’ management think that they have an excellent young prospects pool. But it seems that for whatever reason, whether it’s due to poor drafting, bad development and/or poor management by not surrounding them by good veterans, those young players don’t develop as expected.

Only as an example, since the 2000 draft, of the 92 players selected by the Canadiens, 22 are playing in the NHL and only Plekanec, Kostitsyn, Price, Weber, Subban and Pacioretty currently play for the Habs, while it looks like Yemelin will finally attempt to take his first strides in Montreal next season. That being said, it’s not necessarily better elsewhere in the NHL.

However, the goal of this blog isn’t to put down the Canadiens and their picks, an exercise overdone in my humble opinion. It is more to highlight the change of direction taken by the organization under the Gainey, Gauthier and Timmins regime. Especially since Bob Gainey’s major clean-up following the centennial fiasco, it looks like the emphasis has been placed on the development of those young players and it seems to be working.

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Where's Ryan White?

The irony is that his number appears on the pic, but not in the blog...

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Nice read but it's missing something......a young sniper...or a potential 100pts player. We have our goalie and stud Dman but a young sniper????

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Nice read but it's missing something......a young sniper...or a potential 100pts player. We have our goalie and stud Dman but a young sniper????
We don't need one, we need a big C and depth big wingers who can play an all around game.

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No offense but normally I find your blog entries have a bit of a pessimistic tone to them. (As well as many of your HF posts)

That isn't to say you don't make good points but I just find often times you see the glass half empty.

With this post you see the brighter side. Obviously being the optimist that I am I can relate to this kind of post a lot more easily than some of your others. This one I give the thumbs up to though. Never really had a problem with your writing style in the past and think it's very cool you run a bilingual blog, but rather just disagreed with many of your opinions.

Either way it's nice to see you're diversifying and not always seeing the glass half empty. We have a team worthy of getting excited about!

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Nice read but it's missing something......a young sniper...or a potential 100pts player. We have our goalie and stud Dman but a young sniper????
These kinds of players are usually drafted at the start of the first round. Yes there are some that fall and are drafted in later 1st and even in later rounds. These are steals but dont happen as often as one would hope. We tried a gamble on a young sniper who had big point potential who just got shipped out. Benoit Pouliot fit that mold and had that potential and just couldn't put it together. We cannot blame the organization for not trying to find a young sniper

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Where's Ryan White?

The irony is that his number appears on the pic, but not in the blog...
Two reasons:
  1. While I do like the kid, I don't consider Ryan White as part of a "core" of good young players; and
  2. I borrowed the picture from a friend, Martin Roy, so it isn't totally related to the blog. You'll also notice that it's talking about a playoffs' push, which isn't necessarily up to date.
Hope the rest makes sense.

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I can ONLY see the following players in Montreal that can be built around:

Pacioretty - Eller - Kristo
XXXXX - Leblanc - Palushaj
Conboy - Bournival - Gallagher
XXXXX - White - XXXXX

Subban - Weber
Tinordi - Yemelin
XXXXX - Beaulieu

Price
XXXXX

XXXXX = Players we need

So by the looks of it we still need depth on the left wing (scoring wingers with size) and third/fourth line grit, toughness and size to play, fight and add energy.

On defense, we have a great group of young talent in Subban, Weber, Yemelin, Tinordi and Beaulieu but if Mitera does not pan out, we need a defensive defenseman with size, grit and toughness, a player like Phaneuf.

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I can ONLY see the following players in Montreal that can be built around:

Pacioretty - Eller - Kristo
XXXXX - Leblanc - Palushaj
Conboy - Bournival - Gallagher
XXXXX - White - XXXXX

Subban - Weber
Tinordi - Yemelin
XXXXX - Beaulieu

Price
XXXXX

XXXXX = Players we need

So by the looks of it we still need depth on the left wing (scoring wingers with size) and third/fourth line grit, toughness and size to play, fight and add energy.

On defense, we have a great group of young talent in Subban, Weber, Yemelin, Tinordi and Beaulieu but if Mitera does not pan out, we need a defensive defenseman with size, grit and toughness, a player like Phaneuf.
I would have Plekanec in there, he has 4 more years on his contract I believe and is the center with the most upside we have, Eller is a better #2 and LL can play RW.

In terms of defensive d-men with size, what do you consider 6'7" Tinordi and 6'2" 220lbs Yemelin? We also have guys like Ellis Stejksal and Pateryn as that style of d-man, plus Dietz.

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No offense but normally I find your blog entries have a bit of a pessimistic tone to them. (As well as many of your HF posts)

That isn't to say you don't make good points but I just find often times you see the glass half empty.

With this post you see the brighter side. Obviously being the optimist that I am I can relate to this kind of post a lot more easily than some of your others. This one I give the thumbs up to though. Never really had a problem with your writing style in the past and think it's very cool you run a bilingual blog, but rather just disagreed with many of your opinions.

Either way it's nice to see you're diversifying and not always seeing the glass half empty. We have a team worthy of getting excited about!
No offense taken. Part of the reason for the name of the blog (The Instigator) is due to the fact that I will often look at the other side of the medal, which normally goes against the flow. This will, more often than not, instigate something, a reaction, not always positive, on some readers.

I actually take some pride in being controversial and shocking in my blogs, with some of my comments. There is no doubt that my way of seeing things is not the easy path, and it has little to do with rocking the boat, but more to do with writing with my guts, letting it all out even when knowing that I'll get pounced on for thinking that way.

As for the glass half empty, I can certainly see where you're coming from. But if you go back to read those blogs since October of last year, you will find a fair bit of "positive", even in the so-called "negativity". I find however very difficult to see things the way many do, excusing what I consider incompetence at the management level, sometimes at the players' level, considering that the team that I love since the 60's has been struggling to fight for a playoffs' spot for so many years, without taking the next step.

Having said that, there are two things on which I'm working very hard on. English being my second language, the texts don't always flow the way I'd like them to. Also, I do try to not make things personal either with the readers, or with the people targeted in my blogs.

Thanks for the comment though, much appreciated.

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No offense taken. Part of the reason for the name of the blog (The Instigator) is due to the fact that I will often look at the other side of the medal, which normally goes against the flow. This will, more often than not, instigate something, a reaction, not always positive, on some readers.

I actually take some pride in being controversial and shocking in my blogs, with some of my comments. There is no doubt that my way of seeing things is not the easy path, and it has little to do with rocking the boat, but more to do with writing with my guts, letting it all out even when knowing that I'll get pounced on for thinking that way.

As for the glass half empty, I can certainly see where you're coming from. But if you go back to read those blogs since October of last year, you will find a fair bit of "positive", even in the so-called "negativity". I find however very difficult to see things the way many do, excusing what I consider incompetence at the management level, sometimes at the players' level, considering that the team that I love since the 60's has been struggling to fight for a playoffs' spot for so many years, without taking the next step.

Having said that, there are two things on which I'm working very hard on. English being my second language, the texts don't always flow the way I'd like them to. Also, I do try to not make things personal either with the readers, or with the people targeted in my blogs.

Thanks for the comment though, much appreciated.
No worries

Your English and flow is pretty good by the way. I've seen more mistakes in my own blog and others on HF. I mean even look at rotoworld... they're supposed to be a serious site but for hockey it's quite the joke. In my eyes the quality Habs, Leafs, etc posters know their **** more than a lot of these so-called analysts anyways.

To be honest though I wasn't sure which language was your native, which is always a good sign.

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Nice read but it's missing something......a young sniper...or a potential 100pts player. We have our goalie and stud Dman but a young sniper????
I'm under the impression that you have to draft in the top 4 (to include Backstrom) to get a 100pts player. Alfie beeing the lone execption since the lock-out.

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I can ONLY see the following players in Montreal that can be built around:

Pacioretty - Eller - Kristo
XXXXX - Leblanc - Palushaj
Conboy - Bournival - Gallagher
XXXXX - White - XXXXX

Subban - Weber
Tinordi - Yemelin
XXXXX - Beaulieu

Price
XXXXX

XXXXX = Players we need

So by the looks of it we still need depth on the left wing (scoring wingers with size) and third/fourth line grit, toughness and size to play, fight and add energy.

On defense, we have a great group of young talent in Subban, Weber, Yemelin, Tinordi and Beaulieu but if Mitera does not pan out, we need a defensive defenseman with size, grit and toughness, a player like Phaneuf.
Gorges and Kostitsyn aren't much older than Desharnais and Yemelin and are as big of pieces of the puzzle going forward. I think Plekanec and Cammaleri are part of the picture long term as well. Between Pacioretty, Kostitsyn and Cammaleri LW is pretty set for a while unless big changes are made, although the prospect pool there should be shored up for the very long-term future.

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I wouldn't read too much into trying to make line-ups with the prospects and young core as we see it. So many variables enter into play, like free agency, trades and under-performances amongst others.

Yes, it's fun to look at it for fun, but who's to say that Price won't hit the road when his turn comes to become a UFA, at 27 years old or so?

Also, the holes can definitely be filled by UFA's and trade acquisitions.

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I'm under the impression that you have to draft in the top 4 (to include Backstrom) to get a 100pts player. Alfie beeing the lone execption since the lock-out.
Either draft in the top four or sign Martin St-Louis

2003-2004: 94 pts.
2006-2007: 102 pts.
2009-2010: 94 pts.
2010-2011: 99 pts.

Without a doubt the best undrafted player in the game.

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Cases like St-Louis and BriŤre are few and far between, if you consider that there are 30 teams drafting now, and scouts all over the world.

Having said that, it will be interesting to see what comes out of David Desharnais as he's had success at every level that he's played, making a point of proving people wrong.

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Nice read but it's missing something......a young sniper...or a potential 100pts player. We have our goalie and stud Dman but a young sniper????
that could be MaxPac ?

Ot could had been Giroux and/or Lucic

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Cases like St-Louis and BriŤre are few and far between, if you consider that there are 30 teams drafting now, and scouts all over the world.

Having said that, it will be interesting to see what comes out of David Desharnais as he's had success at every level that he's played, making a point of proving people wrong.
Briere was a 1st round NHL pick not an undrafted Free Agent if that's what you were hinting at.

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that could be MaxPac ?

Ot could had been Giroux and/or Lucic
Lucic is far from a sniper, he's a garbage goal specialist. Latendresse is twice the sniper Lucic is by comparison.


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No offense taken. Part of the reason for the name of the blog (The Instigator) is due to the fact that I will often look at the other side of the medal, which normally goes against the flow. This will, more often than not, instigate something, a reaction, not always positive, on some readers.

I actually take some pride in being controversial and shocking in my blogs, with some of my comments. There is no doubt that my way of seeing things is not the easy path, and it has little to do with rocking the boat, but more to do with writing with my guts, letting it all out even when knowing that I'll get pounced on for thinking that way.

As for the glass half empty, I can certainly see where you're coming from. But if you go back to read those blogs since October of last year, you will find a fair bit of "positive", even in the so-called "negativity". I find however very difficult to see things the way many do, excusing what I consider incompetence at the management level, sometimes at the players' level, considering that the team that I love since the 60's has been struggling to fight for a playoffs' spot for so many years, without taking the next step.

Having said that, there are two things on which I'm working very hard on. English being my second language, the texts don't always flow the way I'd like them to. Also, I do try to not make things personal either with the readers, or with the people targeted in my blogs.

Thanks for the comment though, much appreciated.
Your English isn't bad at all. Your writing flows and makes sense. My only suggestion is that you eliminate unnecessary words.

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The #46 egg is just unnecessary

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The #46 egg is just unnecessary
Not my drawing... but I found it funny.

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Josh Gorgesí signing: the good and the bad


Josh Gorges signed a new one year, $2.5 million contract with the Montreal Canadiens. Itís great news considering that they have avoided the always dreaded arbitration process, an experience that, more often than not, kills a relationship between a player and management.

But why only one year? From what we read and hear everywhere, Gorges is considered as one of the leaders on this team and he is very well liked and respected in the dressing room. And why announce it after 10 PM eastern time on a Friday night?

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Josh Gorgesí signing: the good and the bad


Josh Gorges signed a new one year, $2.5 million contract with the Montreal Canadiens. Itís great news considering that they have avoided the always dreaded arbitration process, an experience that, more often than not, kills a relationship between a player and management.

But why only one year? From what we read and hear everywhere, Gorges is considered as one of the leaders on this team and he is very well liked and respected in the dressing room. And why announce it after 10 PM eastern time on a Friday night?

Read more: Full blog...
scariest thing is that both Gorges and Price are western canadian guys, who spend their offseason's out West, and conceivably would prefer to play closer to "home"...

combine that with a Calgary Flames team that has a boat load of cap space opening up next year, and it makes for a scary potential scenario. (even with Kipprusoff, they'd salivate at the chance of "stealing" price, and i don't think they'd have much issue with paying Gorges ~4M/per if he comes back healthy, would be like getting Regehr clone and that is one market where the notion of paying a premium for a reliable one-dimensional player of strong character is not an issue).


i'll feel much better once Price has been extended for a long-term deal, until then, it's a concern...

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scariest thing is that both Gorges and Price are western canadian guys, who spend their offseason's out West, and conceivably would prefer to play closer to "home"...

combine that with a Calgary Flames team that has a boat load of cap space opening up next year, and it makes for a scary potential scenario. (even with Kipprusoff, they'd salivate at the chance of "stealing" price, and i don't think they'd have much issue with paying Gorges ~4M/per if he comes back healthy, would be like getting Regehr clone and that is one market where the notion of paying a premium for a reliable one-dimensional player of strong character is not an issue).


i'll feel much better once Price has been extended for a long-term deal, until then, it's a concern...
Ummm no... not even close.



Also when people worry about losing RFAs who are big parts of a teams' future, it is a strong indication of a "worst case scenario" type thinking process. Price is not going anywhere my friend, and it's really not a concern.

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Haha, just posted an entry on this as well. Popular subject it seems.

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