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02-23-2013, 08:40 PM
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I started playing hockey when I was 5 years old. I don't think I ''chose'' a way to shoot, I just naturally was a left hand shot. It's weird because I write with my right hand like 99% of people and I golf right also.

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02-23-2013, 08:48 PM
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According to this article, most Canadians shoot left and most Americans shoot right:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/sp...efty.html?_r=0

It also says that "for long spells" the Soviets in the 80s didn't have a single right handed shot on the team.
I hav'nt read it, but is it possible that there might be confusion amongst some what is a right and left shooter? My experience is that most people that are not used to play answers the wrong side when i ask what stick they want. Example: If they have their left hand on top they think they are a left shooter. I find it utterly ridiculous but that is my experience.

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I started playing hockey when I was 5 years old. I don't think I ''chose'' a way to shoot, I just naturally was a left hand shot. It's weird because I write with my right hand like 99% of people and I golf right also.
It's not weird , being lefthanded at hockey is natural for righthanded writer (though not always the case).Your upper hand control your stick the most , which is your right hand if youre lefthanded at hockey.


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02-23-2013, 08:53 PM
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I hav'nt read it, but is it possible that there might be confusion amongst some what is a right and left shooter? My experience is that most people that are not used to play answers the wrong side when i ask what stick they want. Example: If they have their left hand on top they think they are a left shooter. I find it utterly ridiculous but that is my experience.
The US vs Canada thing is based on the sale of hockey sticks.

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02-23-2013, 09:00 PM
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The US vs Canada thing is based on the sale of hockey sticks.
Maybe more americans find it important to have their kids strong hand behind the shot. I'm sure that if you dont have a choice from the start you wont know what hit you. Also it's nice to shoot right if you're a right winger.

Maybe i'm a bit biased though. I'm probably double handed by nature but i was taught to write with my right hand. I throw and at least whilst a teenager hit with my left hand. I'm a right side shooter. I do dine like everybody else though.

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02-23-2013, 09:57 PM
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Maybe more americans find it important to have their kids strong hand behind the shot. ... Also it's nice to shoot right if you're a right winger. ...
These are the reasons why I chose righty.

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02-23-2013, 10:29 PM
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No but people could be reasonable about it instead of making every player a 0/10 or a 10/10 with nothing in between.
Does anyone actually do this?

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I started playing hockey when I was 5 years old. I don't think I ''chose'' a way to shoot, I just naturally was a left hand shot. It's weird because I write with my right hand like 99% of people and I golf right also.
Exact same configuration for me.

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02-23-2013, 10:43 PM
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Has any of the claims that wheter you're a left or right handed person has nothing to do with your average choice when it comes to your stick been validated as a fact, or have someone just noticed that there are variations to the rule existant? I feel that there should be a relation although there might be exceptions, not the least due to wanting your strong hand behind the shot.

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02-23-2013, 11:24 PM
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I know lots of people who are right handed but shoot and bat left.

Meanwhile those same people play tennis right and throw right in baseball.

I'm right handed and started off shooting left when I first played hockey and ended up switching after a while and being a right handed shot.

To be honest I can't remember exactly why I switched I think I found it more comfortable even after having played a bit left.

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I'm a natural righty, (although I switch hit in baseball), but a lefty in hockey. I even swing a golf club righty. Go figure....

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02-24-2013, 01:48 AM
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I'm a natural righty, (although I switch hit in baseball), but a lefty in hockey. I even swing a golf club righty. Go figure....
Yeah obviously most right handed persons need to be shooting left if my model would have any bearing on reality.

I'm perhaps double handed but might be a righty, and i shoot right, there's no doubt about what i prefer there.

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02-24-2013, 01:57 AM
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02-24-2013, 02:38 AM
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I have the 3rd pick and sent 3 names to Dreak.

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02-24-2013, 02:48 AM
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Were Roenick and Doan linemates in Phoenix? Was it Tkachuk - Roenick - Doan?

I know Doan pretty much exclusively plays RW in the NHL, but often plays LW in international games.
Actually, Doan and Roenick were linemates in Phoenix for a while, but it was Doan - C - Roenick. Tkachuk played some on that line, as well. Remember that JR skated at wing for the most part in his first few seasons as a Coyote because the Yotes had a couple of very puck-dominant centers on their scoringlines when he first came over, and JR's style of play made it much easier for him to move to the wing than those guys. The Yotes have slotted Doan in at LW on and off throughout his career, basically whenever they wanted him on a line with a specific RW. I can think of one other example from a few years ago, but it involves undrafteds.

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I have the 3rd pick and sent 3 names to Dreak.
Whatever happened to your co-GM anyway? Seems like he hasn't been online in a long time.

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Reds4Life is skipped, MadArcand PMed.


Can anybody take gmm's list? I'm heading to bed shortly.

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Red Wings select John Madden, C/LW.

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02-24-2013, 05:19 AM
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The Whalers select Reed Larson, D


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The Whalers select Reed Larson, D

He's a scary offensive producer. Considering he played for a terrible Detroit team, he had to create his impressive scoring finishes by himself. Over his peak, he was probably as dangerous as anybody not named Potvin, Coffey, or Bourque. And with 70+ career fights, the guy played with an edge.

His weak voting record doesn't seem to match his play. I think playing for the Red Wings really hurt him.


Anyway, GMM listpicks Don Marshall, LW

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02-24-2013, 05:54 AM
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He's a scary offensive producer. Considering he played for a terrible Detroit team, he had to create his impressive scoring finishes by himself. Over his peak, he was probably as dangerous as anybody not named Potvin, Coffey, or Bourque. And with 70+ career fights, the guy played with an edge.

His weak voting record doesn't seem to match his play. I think playing for the Red Wings really hurt him.

Anyway, GMM listpicks Don Marshall, LW
Larson was basically an "offenseman". I wouldn't put him on an ATD second pairing, but he'd be great as a bottom pairing offensive ringer and PP specialist. I haven't looked at MadAr's team, but I hope that's how he's being used.

Don Marshall is an excellent pick here. Top-notch defensive left-winger. There's little difference between he and guys like Metz and Klukay, IMO, and they went two rounds ago.

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02-24-2013, 06:01 AM
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Larson was basically an "offenseman". I wouldn't put him on an ATD second pairing, but he'd be great as a bottom pairing offensive ringer and PP specialist. I haven't looked at MadAr's team, but I hope that's how he's being used.
Right now I have him slotted as #4, paired with Moose Vasko. Of course, this can change. I've just been in dire need of a RHS bomber for the PP.

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02-24-2013, 08:17 AM
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I have pick 407, who could and should i give a list to if my pick gets up when i'm at sleep? I think i will wake up 19PM EST. Or is that time cool?

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Fun with Vs2 comparisons

Here are a few Vs2 "siblings" among ATD players at the same position that I have found. They may surprise some people.

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Rod Gilbert:
92, 83, 82, 81, 76, 73, 73, 72, 72, 71, 54, 53

Theo Fleury:
90, 87, 86, 83, 80, 77, 71, 70, 68, 68, 61, 59

Daniel Alfredsson:
97, 92, 84, 79, 76, 75, 73, 67, 65, 65, 63

Marian Hossa:
94, 88, 87, 79, 78, 77, 73, 65, 62, 60, 58
Remarkably similar offensive production from these right wingers. Strange, given what we know about the intangibles of these guys, I would probably rate them:

Alfie/Hossa
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Fleury
Gilbert

...and yet they seem to go in pretty much the opposite order every year. Anybody care to tell me why that is?

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Ok, here's another one:

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Lemaire:
91, 79, 74, 72, 71, 64, 61, 59

Brind'amour:
81, 81, 73, 72, 69, 63, 60, 58

McKenney:
86, 73, 71, 70, 68, 65, 54

Goyette:
87, 79, 77, 75, 58, 55, 54
A re-post of some numbers I shared earlier, but with Phil Goyette and Don McKenney thrown in there for fun. In this case, I think Brindy could go ahead of Lemaire, and people may underestimate just how close McKenney and Goyette are to those two offensively.

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Here's an almost perfect match:

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Brian Propp:
73, 72, 69, 66, 62, 62, 58, 55

Shane Doan:
78, 74, 66, 66, 62, 61, 56, 54, 54
This is a fairly interesting comparison, of which I'm sure TDMM approves. Propp obviously wins the intangibles debate by virtue of being a playoff mega-stud, but how big is the difference between these two beyond that?

There are some more good ones which involve undrafteds that I will post when they pop up.

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Oh, and fun fact, who here knows that Glenn Anderson got substantial votes at left wing twice in his career, and actually peaked in AST votes as a LW? Here is his record:

Glenn Anderson:
84, 79, 72, 71, 68, 67, 60, 56
AST: 3 (LW), 5/7 (RW/LW)*, 4 (RW), 5 (RW), 6 (RW)

*got meaningful votes at both positions

Seems like Anderson could be used at left wing. I wonder if someone will try him there in the next draft? I think it raises his value a bit.

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02-24-2013, 12:31 PM
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I think JKRX and KingForsberg ran over their time limit. I'll pm MonsterBertuzzi in case he wants to go ahead.

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