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02-15-2013, 10:22 PM
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Nik Antropov

I've really noticed this year how slow he is. I think he needs to go. He's useless on the forecheck because he gets to the puck well after the opposing player, who is already making a move with it. In the neutral zone with the puck he throws off the timing because he's so slow. Without the puck he's usually behind the play.

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02-15-2013, 10:42 PM
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Actually have to disagree here and I realize it is probably against the grain. He was not good tonight. At all. But he can very effective at cycling and using his size and strength against opponents; in my opinion he is a good centre for us. I never liked him before and I wouldn't say I like him now, but I'm satisfied with what he brings. Kane and Joki were just as ineffective tonight.

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I'm tired of the scapegoating, TBH. Pretending like Antropov is the only problem with our offence is short-sighted. I'm not opposed to some trades, but "getting rid" of people is not a sustainable practice.

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Actually have to disagree here and I realize it is probably against the grain. He was not good tonight. At all. But he can very effective at cycling and using his size and strength against opponents; in my opinion he is a good centre for us. I never liked him before and I wouldn't say I like him now, but I'm satisfied with what he brings. Kane and Joki were just as ineffective tonight.
Antro gets a lot of hate and he us flawed, but he is great along the boards and in traffic. If he was fast he would be scary, but no player is perfect.

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I've really noticed this year how slow he is. I think he needs to go. He's useless on the forecheck because he gets to the puck well after the opposing player, who is already making a move with it. In the neutral zone with the puck he throws off the timing because he's so slow. Without the puck he's usually behind the play.
And who do we use in his place after we trade him? Really the Antropov hate has to stop...the whole group of forwards aside from Burmi has been bad.

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Actually have to disagree here and I realize it is probably against the grain. He was not good tonight. At all. But he can very effective at cycling and using his size and strength against opponents; in my opinion he is a good centre for us. I never liked him before and I wouldn't say I like him now, but I'm satisfied with what he brings. Kane and Joki were just as ineffective tonight.
The problem is with this newer system, our coach is asking guys to cover more ice. On top of that Antropov is noticeably slower. Yes he's good at cycling the puck, but he has to get there first. There were multiple times tonight that the Penguins gained control of the puck because Antropov couldn't get there soon enough to offer support.

I've noticed this with every home game I've gone to (every one except Islanders) but tonight it was much worse.

It can be hard to pick up if you're watching on TV.

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The problem is with this newer system, our coach is asking guys to cover more ice. On top of that Antropov is noticeably slower. Yes he's good at cycling the puck, but he has to get there first. There were multiple times tonight that the Penguins gained control of the puck because Antropov couldn't get there soon enough to offer support.

I've noticed this with every home game I've gone to (every one except Islanders) but tonight it was much worse.

It can be hard to pick up if you're watching on TV.
In my opinion you are basing your thread way too much on tonights game. He was definitely bad tonight. But he is highly effective when he is doing his job and when he has the right line mates he doesn't always have to get there first. He is good for this team and I like what he brings. You are only highlighting a bad game. How about a 'Nik Antropov, how bought THAT game thread?' in lieu when he does his job well. We don't see that here on HF. May not be goals or points all the time, but he can be highly effective in what he does.

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If you are going to criticize Antro, it would be fair to say he's overpaid and not lightning fast.

However he is a very effective, useful player as a checking 3rd liner that pots the odd goal. He does a lot of great things. Unfortunately, when the forwards aren't scoring much, he will be blamed to a certain extent.

We have bigger fish to fry than Antropov.

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In my opinion you are basing your thread way too much on tonights game. He was definitely bad tonight. But he is highly effective when he is doing his job and when he has the right line mates he doesn't always have to get there first. He is good for this team and I like what he brings. You are only highlighting a bad game. How about a 'Nik Antropov, how bought THAT game thread?' in lieu when he does his job well. We don't see that here on HF. May not be goals or points all the time, but he can be highly effective in what he does.
It has been all season, and it's due to the new system. It has really exposed his lack of speed, and costs us posession in the offensive zone over and over again.

It's not that he had a bad game, but rather specific situations our system brings up that exposes him.

I just don't see him as a Jet long term moving forward. It's not that he's a bad player. But rather that he doesn't fit the speed of our players or system.

Having him as the F1 in a neutral zone trap is a very bad idea, because he's standing still. He just can't catch up to the play to be effective, and the F1 needs to be effective for a neutral zone trap to work.

If the coach decides to change things up, he will be more effective. But I don't see that happening.

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It has been all season, and it's due to the new system. It has really exposed his lack of speed, and costs us posession in the offensive zone over and over again.

It's not that he had a bad game, but rather specific situations our system brings up that exposes him.

I just don't see him as a Jet long term moving forward. It's not that he's a bad player. But rather that he doesn't fit the speed of our players or system.

Having him as the F1 in a neutral zone trap is a very bad idea, because he's standing still. He just can't catch up to the play to be effective, and the F1 needs to be effective for a neutral zone trap to work.

If the coach decides to change things up, he will be more effective. But I don't see that happening.
Guess I have to just agree to disagree here. I think he fits well with the physical, grinding, cycling system that he do employ on the third and, predominantly, fourth lines.

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02-15-2013, 11:21 PM
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I like Antropov even though he's over paid for what he brigs to the team. I wouldn't mind if the team brought him back ata reduced salary next season, however I think there will be several interest teams at the trade deadline and he likely should be moved. Return could be decent.


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I've really noticed this year how slow he is. I think he needs to go. He's useless on the forecheck because he gets to the puck well after the opposing player, who is already making a move with it. In the neutral zone with the puck he throws off the timing because he's so slow. Without the puck he's usually behind the play.
I have to agree with you. He is a big body that is slow and using his size not that often. Most of the time he seems to "float" around the ice.

If I had to guess, we will trade him before the deadline. I think a lot of teams believe they can turn that big body in to a a fast power forward, when in realty it isn't going to happen.

And by no means is Antro the only problem. I just feel we can get someone else for less money that would do more then what he is doing.

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I love Antropov.

Don't always agree with Noel putting him in the top 6, but I think he's a useful player. I think with more depth he can really shine as a third liner that can chip in on top 6 or on the PP when there's injuries.

It's fair to criticize his lack of speed and bad contract, but I'd like to see him resigned to a better contract next year. Great bottom 6 player that adds very flexible depth to the team.

Our actual problem is a lack of real top 6 forwards. Antropov isn't a "problem" because he isn't one. He's just being asked to do too much. He's a solid defensive forward who can make a living along the boards and chip in offensively here and there. He's just not complete enough to be expected to go on those up ice rushes. He's a 3rd liner being asked to play top 6, not his fault.

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He's definatly really slow, but he can make things happen at times out there. Keep him for the right price if you can imo.

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1 goal, 2 assists in 13 games, PK specialist at $4.5M per season

Some of the guys here have real tunnel vision when it comes to his play, too slow to be effective offensively, okay on the PK

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Agree with TroubaFan and Sweech. At the right price and right usage he's EXTREMELY effective... **** the price isn't even a big deal since it isn't longterm lock or we're near the cap. The OP is right that he fails as a top6, but you saw how dominate the USSR line was when we started with Poni-Burmi-Antro. The problem was we're short a legit top6 player so one of Burmi, Antro or Welly keep getting circled in there. Personally I'd love him as a 3rd line next season with either Scheifele or Burmistrov as the C. Maybe Tangradi or Lowry will be the LW guy needed to compliment that line, or maybe an UFA.
Honestly no one would be ******** on our F if our C depth was better:
Kane-???-Wheeler
Ladd-Jokinen-Little
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... I'm sure I'd not even be ******** on Tangradi if we had that piece. People forget the domino/butterfly effect works.

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1 goal, 2 assists in 13 games, PK specialist at $4.5M per season

Some of the guys here have real tunnel vision when it comes to his play, too slow to be effective offensively, okay on the PK
I'm not sure anybody claimed he was woth his current deal. He was when he put up 67 points, but he clearly isn't now. That doesn't mean he isn't effective though despite the fact that has definitely tailed off into "role player" territory.

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Agree with TroubaFan and Sweech. At the right price and right usage he's EXTREMELY effective... **** the price isn't even a big deal since it isn't longterm lock or we're near the cap. The OP is right that he fails as a top6, but you saw how dominate the USSR line was when we started with Poni-Burmi-Antro. The problem was we're short a legit top6 player so one of Burmi, Antro or Welly keep getting circled in there. Personally I'd love him as a 3rd line next season with either Scheifele or Burmistrov as the C. Maybe Tangradi or Lowry will be the LW guy needed to compliment that line, or maybe an UFA.
Honestly no one would be ******** on our F if our C depth was better:
Kane-???-Wheeler
Ladd-Jokinen-Little
Tangradi-Burmistrov-Antropov
... I'm sure I'd not even be ******** on Tangradi if we had that piece. People forget the domino/butterfly effect works.
Agree with the bolded 100%; he is currently being paid like a top 6 player which he no longer is but, if he could be resigned for around half of what he is making now I would be extremely happy. He is very effective as a third line player and could anchor that line if a top six forward can be found so he can stay there and not be forced to play beyond his ability at this point.

I think most of the hate he gets is because the salary he is getting makes it seem like he should be a top six player which is no longer true.

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People behind me at the Pittsburgh game were calling him Frankenstein all night.

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He's a very smart hockey player and understands positioning (which compensates for the lack of speed), but he's not the future and I think we don't lose much with Mach or some one younger in his place. Take the Poni path.

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Like most have said he is a system player and fits into situations perfectly however is not a top 6.

I am not sure he offers much in trade value as most teams looking for size around playoff time want a gritty grinder, which he is defintely not.

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My comments have nothing to do with how much he makes. Even if we won 5-0 last night my opinion would not change.

As far as PK(4v5), he's getting about a minute per game. I don't think he plays 3v5 or 4v4.

I'm not saying we ship him out tomorrow, but I think he's an important piece to upgrade if we want to stay with this current system. It's simply asking too much of him.

I'm also not knocking him overall as a player. It has everything to do with the system and his lack of speed. There are teams out there where he would be a better fit.


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I am not sure he offers much in trade value as most teams looking for size around playoff time want a gritty grinder, which he is defintely not.
There's lots of teams that would be interested in him. Vancouver, Chicago just to name two.

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There's lots of teams that would be interested in him. Vancouver, Chicago just to name two.
Don't be too sure about that, those teams are built on speed he couldn't play in their system

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Agree with TroubaFan and Sweech. At the right price and right usage he's EXTREMELY effective... **** the price isn't even a big deal since it isn't longterm lock or we're near the cap. The OP is right that he fails as a top6, but you saw how dominate the USSR line was when we started with Poni-Burmi-Antro. The problem was we're short a legit top6 player so one of Burmi, Antro or Welly keep getting circled in there. Personally I'd love him as a 3rd line next season with either Scheifele or Burmistrov as the C. Maybe Tangradi or Lowry will be the LW guy needed to compliment that line, or maybe an UFA.
Honestly no one would be ******** on our F if our C depth was better:
Kane-???-Wheeler
Ladd-Jokinen-Little
Tangradi-Burmistrov-Antropov
... I'm sure I'd not even be ******** on Tangradi if we had that piece. People forget the domino/butterfly effect works.
The void at center is so huge, its holding this team back from even having a chance. Until chevy does something about this situation we will continue to.. suck. Thats also the main reason I wanted Scheifele to stick with the team this year, and I'm fine with him going back to barrie.. thats all good and dandy, but fill the gap. Make a move. Do something? It's so painfully obvious.


On the plus side... I'm already looking forward to next year

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