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02-15-2013, 11:04 PM
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Good effort...tough loss...on to the next one.

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You win some, you lose some. I'm patient with the building and progression of this team and organization...

... besides who would want to see this?:

Winnipeg Jets 2012/2013 Stanley Cup Champions*

*shortened season due to lockout.

I don't think so.

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02-15-2013, 11:14 PM
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You win some, you lose some. I'm patient with the building and progression of this team and organization...

... besides who would want to see this?:

Winnipeg Jets 2012/2013 Stanley Cup Champions*

*shortened season due to lockout.

I don't think so.
It would look sweeter with the playoff mvp being Nathan MacKinnon.

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02-15-2013, 11:18 PM
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You win some, you lose some. I'm patient with the building and progression of this team and organization...

... besides who would want to see this?:

Winnipeg Jets 2012/2013 Stanley Cup Champions*

*shortened season due to lockout.

I don't think so.
I'm an Atlanta sports fan. And no offense at all, but I'm a bit insulted by your lack of "appreciation" of what it feels like to be a Champion( ).

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Real double standard here, if Clitsome had played like Redmond did tonight everyone would be calling for us to dump him.

Antro looks like he is skating uphill when trying to back check.

Kane, Burmi flying accomplish little to nothing

Wheeler looks like first 15 games and last 20 games Wheeler of 2011-2012

Joke-in looks done and uninterested.

Bogo the Best D man despite not playing for 10 months

Slater and Thorburn not the same as last season, not very good

Jets coaching this season D+

Jets management D-

Felt like a waste of time watching the game tonight, first time I've felt this way since the Jets return.

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02-15-2013, 11:47 PM
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I come in peace.

If Tangradi played like that all season, he'd still be in Pittsburgh. But I definitely think you can chalk that up to playing with a chip on his shoulder. He wanted the Pens to regret the trade. He looked decent and had chances, but still goes scoreless. Don't expect the same fire under his ass in the next game.

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We just got one step closer to drafting a player that could well change our fortunes. Tonight was not a complete write-off.

Good game, for the most part, just no finish. It was great to see Bogosian back and doing his thing. Dude is just a rock back there.

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02-15-2013, 11:55 PM
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I come in peace.

If Tangradi played like that all season, he'd still be in Pittsburgh. But I definitely think you can chalk that up to playing with a chip on his shoulder. He wanted the Pens to regret the trade. He looked decent and had chances, but still goes scoreless. Don't expect the same fire under his ass in the next game.
You're probably correct. Many of us were wondering why CBJ would put Clitsome on waivers after the first 5 games he played for the Jets. Then we found out.

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02-16-2013, 12:33 AM
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Dude they looked like Junior B players out there. Can't take a pass clean to save their lives, can't make a pass, not moving their feet.

I thought we had a sports psychologist this year. We have a very tight, nervous group right now. I will say it again though: If Pavelec stands on his head, the team feels relaxed, like they can make the odd mistake. They start to relax and play.

I do believe 90% of the Jets problems stem from goaltending.
I have to say, I've been thinking this also.. Too much pressure? I dunno.. but you're right, Pavs needs to be on his game for the rest of the team to play comfortably. I'm nervous this won't happen till it doesn't matter any more..

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The team scored 0 goals with Pavs in net, and he still is getting blame? smh...

Pavs gave us a chance to win, unfortunately we don't have any goal scorers on our team so if a goalie is on his game we really struggle to score.
While there's plenty of blame to go around, I'm a little surprised that all the blame hurled at Pavelec was over the 2nd goal. Obviously it would have been great if he could've saved that, but it's hard to blame him for a 5 on 3 goal that Malkin and Crosby assisted on. I'm a little surprised that no one in this thread has yet mentioned the first goal. Pavelec was literally laying on the ice DOING NOTHING as the Penguins continuously whacked at the puck until it went in. Yes, the defense should have cleared out the puck and/or the other team's players... but what was Pavelec doing there?!?

The Jets need to score more goals to have a chance to win, especially against good teams like the Penguins. But there's just no confidence in goaltending right now. While watching the games, I actually expect every shot against to go in right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Jets skaters do too.

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02-16-2013, 01:01 AM
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Didn't watch the game so I'm only going by the boxscore but it seems like a good effort against a much superior team stacked with high end talent and much deeper than than the Jets. So far it's nice to see Ladd as our most consistent scorer that seems not to get much respect. He's certainly not the problem. We're lucky to have him. We are however, fading quickly into irrelevance. As long as I see effort I'll be happy. I still think we have a good core and I really don't see what Chevy could do to improve the team. Poni and Jokinen I thought were very good pickups as there was not much in the UFA market that was available. It's too bad that there was no chemistry. I thought we would be a playoff team but it seems that we are not. I'm not upset about it. We are what we are and we may be a lottery team.

I don't blame Chevy as I like what he is doing. I'm somewhat unsure about the coaching. Sometimes I feel like they are the right persons to coach this team and sometimes I'm not as sure. I do like what Carlyle is doing with the Leafs and he seems like the type of coach we need but we have Noel et al. High draft picks is what we need so all is still good.

What I do like is our D. With Trouba, we will have a totally awesome defense. It does seem like our forwards are years away. Anyhow, now for the B's and then ..... total disaster with 9 of 11 on the road. We haven't shown that we can compete on the road but some top draft picks are ours should the Jets stumble, as one would predict. Either way, I am totally enjoying the ride.

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02-16-2013, 01:19 AM
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D looked fine.

O looked fine.

Goalie was meh.

It was a really close game vs a good team.

Missed shots are irritating.

Puck luck will improve.

If it seems like opposition goalies have been stellar to keep a bunch of games close (it happened again tonight) it is because they have been stellar.

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02-16-2013, 01:37 AM
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I thought Slater played with a lot of passion tonight.
Pavelec was not the problem in this game. I thought the whole team played well, the puck is just not going in. Yes, there were some sad plays out there (pp), but there was a lot of good too. Bogo was looking great out there. Tangradi in that game was a definite improvement on Poni imo. Threw his body around quite a bit. Hopefully he can keep it up. So sad about Enstrom.
In the end, had a great time in that arena tonight. It was a lot of fun.

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02-16-2013, 01:42 AM
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Was a decent game against the team I pick to be this years SCCs.

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gain 1 d, lose another... *sigh*

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02-16-2013, 02:46 AM
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Was impressed with Burmistrov.

Was a close game until the zebras decided to ruin it with the 5 on 3.

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02-16-2013, 05:01 AM
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Okay, let's talk about our game. Overall, we weren't bad at all. We outplayed PIT for most parts of the 2nd and 3rd period and SHOULD have won that game again. It's really starting to be a concern that we outplay our opponent overall and outshoot them but they just score on a better SH%. How do you fix this?

Before the game, we moaned that they don't go hard enough to the net but they really did yesterday on a couple of occasions. They just couldn't convert.

But there is one thing I just DON'T understand: I'm okay with the new way of the inference rule when you give a shot to a player who's dumping the puck on the blue line. I'm jus not seeing how we get those kind of penaltys and not the opponent. We also get these little "shots" when passing by the defender on the blue line. Kane? He's Mr. "dump it with speed along the boards and overskate the defender". When he does it, 50% of the time the defender WILL try to get him a little shot to the boards or on open ice. AND THEY NEVER GET A PENALTY. WHY?

Pavelec:

This was his best game since his las game against PIT in the 4-2 win at home. He was fine overall, made a couple of good saves but also gave away a couple of juicy rebounds. I wouldn't really blame him on both goals. He did look a bit unfortunate on the first one, maybe you snowman more in the center of the crease instead of giving up half the net but that can happen in a scrum. The 2nd goal was not an impossible save to make but it still was a very nice hard and heavy low shot from a very good goalscorer who scored his 11nd PP goal of the season getting fed by Malkin and Crosby on a 5on3. The problem wasn't the save, it was Redmonds stupid penalty.

Stuart and Redmond:

You could actually really say that Redmond and Stuart have been the main reason (looking at our defensive game) why we lost the game. Both do an awful job battling in the crease against their fourth line on the first goal. Then Redmond takes a dumb penalty in the 3rd when we're about the get more pressure on Fleury shift after ****. And then Stuart takes another dumb (though more unfortunately than dumb) penalty to make it a 5on3. They score - game over.

If Clitsome would have been Redmond, the board def. would have been aaaaaall over him. And they would be right, so we also have to speak about Redmond. He had two (or even three?) bad games in a row now. But he's young and I'm okay with him making mistakes and learning about it. I don't think we should bench him. With Toby's injury they'll probably need him anyway. Stuart? He could maybe use a break, but not against Boston (former team and you need a guy like Stuart playing good against the Bruins).

Hainsey:

Solid game. No noticeable mistakes but nothing great either. Not much to say about him.
Hainsey's a scrub that does nothing?

WRONG:

He had played over 28 minutes! That's two more than Buff and nearly three more than Bogosian.

Does a solid game and no misktake with 28 minutes on the ice still sound like a scrub against PIT's Offense?


Byfuglien:

Tried a lot joining the rush and giving us the momentum when in the Penguins zone. We would have really needed a goal out of him on our PP chances, but before I rage against Buff not converting, we have to talk about the guys which job it is to do this. Buff had a solid defensive game and was only out of position because of a jump in the offensive game 2 or 3 times. Though we were lucky the one time. He skated down low and lost the puck but the Penguins couldn't start their own rush quick enough. It would have been a 2 or maybe even 3on1. It was at the beginning of the third IIRC.

Bogosian:
Nice dude! Best player for the Jets. He nearly cleared the 3on5 all on his own. A couple of nice hits, looked very confident and more confident after every shift and skated the puck beautifully through the N-zone a couple of times. Man I actually fortgot what a beauty he is when skating coast-to-coast. We really need him and it's great to have him back.
Downside: I think besides two missed shots, one on the PP and one on ES, he had nothing going on on the O. But that's okay. I guess he probably focused on more basic things in his first game back.

Enström:

I hope it's only a couple of games and not a month or sth like that


Ladd:

Was very active in front of the goal again and has been in good position a couple of times to put the puck on the net. I'm actually really impressed by his play in the last games. He looks like a real goalscorer out there. Silently going into the holes to get passes and quickly putting them on net. And in his 4th or 5th try he scored again. He is one of the few Jets that go in places that can be painful but the goals show that this pays. Solid game.

Wheeler:


Another case of "what are some people talking about ".
I've read a lot of "wheeler was so bad again, they need to trade him. And I need another beer." bla bla. Seriously? Wheeler and two other player have been the only three able to make a couple of slick, quick and accurate pass on the tape of another player to create a scoring chance. He had a couple of awesome playmaking plays again. It's amazing how he get's the puck to Ladd kind a like everytime . He isn't the all-mighty force he was for the most part of last season and you surely can argue that he need's to put up goals and not only assists, too. But Wheeler is making the best passes by faaaar right now on our lineup.

Little:

He was ok. Had two beautiful scoring chances - didn't convert on both of them. Little is exactly what the Jets problem is right now: They try, they work, they lose some battles but also win some. They make a couple of quick passes but nothing that makes you "wow!", they shoot and miss the net and if they do hit the net, they still don't convert. If you give them a free pass to your goal to score, they won't capitalize.

Bryan Little = Winnipeg Jets

Kane:

As always it's tiring to see Kane play. On one shift he leads the rush, get's the puck deep, drills a guy, wins a puck battle, dishes it to someone and creates a scoring chance.
On the other shift he tries to go through 2 defenders, looses the puck, hustles after it, doesn't get it, skates somewhere else, get's the puck by mistake near the blue line, panics, tries to spin around and shoot the puck on the net and just hits someone somewhere and the puck gets cleared. That's the kind of shift when you can bet 5 bucks on somebody to immediately post something like "Kane has no hockey sense at all! He will never be a superstar player because his hockey IQ is too low".

And that are the moments, when we forget that he's still only 21 and makes mistakes and has a lot to learn.

Burmistrov:

Best offensive player yesterday. Had a couple of great shifts and looked like the player on the ice, that knew the most what he'd be about to do with the puck. He really is on his way to become an elite 2-way player this season. He is one of the only players on the roster that played a very good season yet. You sometimes just gotta love his hands

Wellwood and Jokinen:

Both had a good game. "Did they? I don't think they were any kind of outstanding".

They had a couple of very good cycling shifts along with Tangradi. They generated a lot of shots but couldn't convert on any. It still wasn't an outstanding game for them, that's true. But both have been so invisible lately that considered their invisibility in the last games, THIS game was good for them.

Tangradi:

Well Mr. Tangradi, welcome to the team. I really liked what I saw from Eric. He worked hard, went to the net, to the corners, had a real good scoring chance and seemed to instantly look good with Jokinen and Wellwood. I'm looking forward to see those three again in the next games. He COULD end up a very good pickup. He certainly had a lot more fire than Poni (and I sure wasn't a Poni critic).

Wright, Slater, Thorburn:

Besides the 1-0 shift, on which they looked not good, they did their job but nothing really more. Wright with his first fight and I liked the jump. He surely was a nice pick-up. I'd like to see Peluso again for Thorburn, soon.


Best Jets:

Bogosian, Hainsey, Burmistrov

Good Jets:

Buff, Wheeler, Pavelec

Ok Jets:

Tangradi, Wellwood, Jokinen, Ladd

Meh Jets:

Kane, Thorburn, Wright, Slater

Bad Jets:

Stuart and Remond


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that INTERFERENCE was bs. Stuarts penalty was legit though total momentum killer really need to stop giving up that first goal though.

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that INTERFERENCE was bs. Stuarts penalty was legit though total momentum killer really need to stop giving up that first goal though.
This. We never should have been on that 5 on 3 because that wasn't interference.

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Yeah the call on redmond was brutal.

Pavs was decent ftmp. He could have had that 2nd one though, and a save there just might have given the Jets the game. They get through that 5 on 3 thanks to a beastly Bogo effort and a nice save right at the end and the momentum might just have turned into a Jets goal on the very next shift to tie the game up.

It sucks sucks sucks that Enstrom is gone (likely for a bunch of time too judging by how he went off). Having said that, I feel better with Buff and Bogo than I do with Buff and Enstrom. But yeah, sucks...

Man, the missed shots on net!

Not that it really mattered but that move by Kane right at the end that lead to the empty netter was just terrible.

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Too much negativity around here.

The Jets played their best game in a while tonight and they kept it close against one of the NHL's elite teams. They had sustained pressure for some good stretches tonight and Fleury stood on his head to keep the puck out. If the Jets play like they did tonight every single game, the pucks will find their way in and we'd be above .500.

This team has a long way to go. Championship teams are not built overnight. Think positively and be patient!

Go Jets Go!


This is 100% correct. The team has been here for 2 years, the way this team was run in Atlanta, it will take time for this team to turn around(for the the stats players they traded they got next to nothing), having said that I think(I hope) this is the year that Chevy and TNSE put their stamp on this team because they have a lot of contracts coming off the books and they have had enough time to ***** this team. Also I don't think our coaching staff is up to NHL standards, he can get better coaches, not think Noel is good NHL coach(I may be wrong) but lets just be patient and see what they do on offseason, if they don't do anything, then hit the panic button but until them just be patient.

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Too much negativity around here.

The Jets played their best game in a while tonight and they kept it close against one of the NHL's elite teams. They had sustained pressure for some good stretches tonight and Fleury stood on his head to keep the puck out. If the Jets play like they did tonight every single game, the pucks will find their way in and we'd be above .500.

This team has a long way to go. Championship teams are not built overnight. Think positively and be patient!

Go Jets Go!
Yea good post

Last night was not bad.......still playing with 3/4 of a top 4 hurts and Toby might have been the difference last night given he is on a PPG clip this season so far.

The year is too weird to give up on. We just need to focus on playing well and ride the enevidible hot stretch Pavs gives us and see where we are at when the clock winds down on the season. A select few fan bases are feeling good about their teams right now.

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It's not as simple as that. When a goalie looks as uncomfortable making saves as Pavelec has this year, you don't have confidence in him as a team. Especially when he lets in soft goals. That second one we needed to have.
I agree that we have had a lack of confidence in him, but you can't fault him in a game where we didn't score until after he was pulled.

And you most certainly cannot fault him for a minute and a half 5 on 3 with Pittsburghs power play on the ice. I mean, sure it looked like he could have had that shot, but there was another 30-40 seconds on the 5 on 3 or so when it went in. You cannot expect your goaltender to save you on a 5 on 3 with that team. They are so dangerous, even if he manages to make that save and the rebound goes out it could have went in, or they could have set up and scored again on the rest of the powerplay. If your looking for blame for this goal, look no further then Mark Stuart who decides to stick his stick between Kris Letangs legs while he's skating like that's an effective move. Redmond's penalty was an absolute joke of a call and the zebras weren't calling the same thing on the Pens the whole game.

This teams just not that good, we need someone we can turn to when the offense isn't working who can go out and create chances themselves and get momentum going. We could also use a goalscorer, because we have none. Kane is a PWF that can score, but he is far from a goal scorer imo.

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that INTERFERENCE was bs. Stuarts penalty was legit though total momentum killer really need to stop giving up that first goal though.
What I really dislike about the new interpretation of interference, is that you are not allowed to give a guy a little tap from the front like that to slow him from entering the zone when the puck is down below the goal line, yet cross checks from behind are still being considered "part of the game" and "OK to be a little chippy" regardless of whether the player is standing and being held up, or on his knees (and/or hands) and being cross-checked just enough to knock him right down to the ice.

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Granted I missed the third but it looked like another game where we played good butbjustcouldnt get the win.

Pavs was fighting the puck baaaaad in the first but then settled down.

Burmi looked like a wiz but still can't convert.

I thought the joki well wood tangradi line looked really good, again just couldn't convert.


Reffing has been brutal this season.

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