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01-28-2013, 01:17 AM
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Teemu Selanne's Legacy. Pre and Post 04 Lockout.

As it stands, Teemu Selanne is a living legend and a lock for the HHOF the second he's eligible. His number will be retired by Anaheim, and in a not so distant future, there will be arguments for him being the greatest European player of all time.

Rewind eight years and 460 points, Selanne was a member of the Colorado Avalanche and coming off a season so disastrous, he considered retiring. He had 32 points in 72 games, a knee that he could barely skate on, and was 33 years old. In a stroke of luck, the lockout gave him the time he needed to properly rehab his knee and restablish himself as one of the best players in the NHL.

What would Selanne's legacy have been if he had retired after the 2003-04 season? He would likely be a HHOF player (with his 76 goal rookie season and two other 50 goal seasons), but he would have no Stanley Cup and playoff resume to speak of.
Would he be a first ballot HOF'er? Would Anaheim retire his number? Would he be in the discussion of greatest Euro player of all time?

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Would have been added to the "what if" players list.

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Who cares? Just glad he is still playing honestly.

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Would have been added to the "what if" players list.
Pretty much. As is there are a few what-if scenarios surrounding him. Where would he be on the all time point and goals leaders list if he didn't have injuries in Winnipeg following his rookie season? Where would he be if he never messed up his knee? He's gonna get compared to guys like Kurri, Jagr, and Forsberg and people will quickly forget how much those injuries affected him.

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As it stands, Teemu Selanne is a living legend and a lock for the HHOF the second he's eligible. His number will be retired by Anaheim, and in a not so distant future, there will be arguments for him being the greatest European player of all time.

Rewind eight years and 460 points, Selanne was a member of the Colorado Avalanche and coming off a season so disastrous, he considered retiring. He had 32 points in 72 games, a knee that he could barely skate on, and was 33 years old. In a stroke of luck, the lockout gave him the time he needed to properly rehab his knee and restablish himself as one of the best players in the NHL.

What would Selanne's legacy have been if he had retired after the 2003-04 season? He would likely be a HHOF player (with his 76 goal rookie season and two other 50 goal seasons), but he would have no Stanley Cup and playoff resume to speak of.
Would he be a first ballot HOF'er? Would Anaheim retire his number? Would he be in the discussion of greatest Euro player of all time?
All i know is that he would have been debatable Hall of Fame inductee.

Also he would have not been in the discussion of the best european player ever, neither is he now.

Lidstrom, Hasek and Jagr are easily ahead of him.

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Who cares? Just glad he is still playing honestly.
This. As a Sharks fan I hate him, but he's too sick.

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He went from borderline HOF'er to first ballot lock

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Would not have made the HOF without Brian Burke giving him that $1 million contract.

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Who cares? Just glad he is still playing honestly.
Because that's the point of the discussion in this thread. If you don't want to be a part of it, don't post.

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He compiled some nice seasons after the lockout. He wasn't really that good during the cup run...

I have Forsberg, Federov, Lidstrom, Jagr, Kurri, Hasek, Ovechkin, and Malkin ahead of him as far as Euro NHL players.

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Would've been a demi-god, now he is a god.

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He compiled some nice seasons after the lockout. He wasn't really that good during the cup run...

I have Forsberg, Federov, Lidstrom, Jagr, Kurri, Hasek, Ovechkin, and Malkin ahead of him as far as Euro NHL players.
Not sure if serious.

Oh wait...Caps fan. Never mind.

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Not sure if serious.

Oh wait...Caps fan. Never mind.
So you have problem with Ovechkin but not with Malkin?

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He compiled some nice seasons after the lockout. He wasn't really that good during the cup run...

I have Forsberg, Federov, Lidstrom, Jagr, Kurri, Hasek, Ovechkin, and Malkinahead of him as far as Euro NHL players.
yeah his 48 goals that year were useless

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I hope Ovechkin has a similar story as him.. major decline, but explodes into ****ing awesomeness.

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So you have problem with Ovechkin but not with Malkin?
Ovechkin hasn't been himself for a while. Malkin is the best player in the world right now. I don't see Ovie finishing with the same numbers as Teemu at the end of his career. Not the way he's playing now and not unless he returns to his Hart-days form. Malkin is a bit premature but it's not as absurd.

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So you have problem with Ovechkin but not with Malkin?
Actually both.
not sure how you can say they have surpassed him in all time status at this point, especially Ovechkin who is getting worse every year

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Ovechkin hasn't been himself for a while. Malkin is the best player in the world right now. I don't see Ovie finishing with the same numbers as Teemu at the end of his career. Not the way he's playing now and not unless he returns to his Hart-days form. Malkin is a bit premature but it's not as absurd.
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Actually both.
not sure how you can say they have surpassed him in all time status at this point, especially Ovechkin who is getting worse every year
I meant that i have problems with both. Malkin and Ovechkin will both probably end up higher than Selanne given they have peaked a bit higher. (Not by much tough) But i won't be putting them ahead yet. they have some ground to make up first.

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I meant to quote the other guy, Malkin and Ovechkins body of work do not surpass at this point. People forget how good Selanne's peak was in the mid/late 90's, Jagr being in the league is why he doesn't have an MVP.

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I meant to quote the other guy, Malkin and Ovechkins body of work do not surpass at this point. People forget how good Selanne's peak was in the mid/late 90's, Jagr being in the league is why he doesn't have an MVP.
Well there is good case to be made that Offensively Selanne was around the same peak as Ovechkin/Malkin and Crosby has showed this far. Only thing putting them ahead is that Selanne was pretty much offense only kind of guy.

Factor in the longevity then i'd say the difference is in favor of Selanne.

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I also have a problem with Kurri and Fedorov. Teemu has more career points and goals than both of them and he had serious chunks of his career affected by injury. Plus Kurri played with some seriously talented linemates. Jagr and Forsberg are the only forwards from Europe who have a good case.

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OV and Malkin have accomplished more in their short careers than Teemu in his 20 years. If they all retired today I have no problem putting OV + Malkin ahead of Selanne.

OV: 2xMVP, Art Ross, 2x Rocket Richard, 3x NHLPA MVP (three years in a row)
Malkin: MVP, 2x Art Ross, playoff MVP
Selenne: 2 or 3 goal scoring titles.

Teemu was/is an awesome player and a fan favorite but lets get real.

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This document of his first season is awesome because it was made right after.

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OV and Malkin have accomplished more in their short careers than Teemu in his 20 years. If they all retired today I have no problem putting OV + Malkin ahead of Selanne.

OV: 2xMVP, Art Ross, 2x Rocket Richard, 3x NHLPA MVP (three years in a row)
Malkin: MVP, 2x Art Ross, playoff MVP
Selenne: 2 or 3 goal scoring titles.

Teemu was/is an awesome player and a fan favorite but lets get real.
Implying that Ovie and Malkin had the same pool of talent to compete with as Teemu in the 90s for trophies. Yes...please. Let's get real.

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OV and Malkin have accomplished more in their short careers than Teemu in his 20 years. If they all retired today I have no problem putting OV + Malkin ahead of Selanne.

OV: 2xMVP, Art Ross, 2x Rocket Richard, 3x NHLPA MVP (three years in a row)
Malkin: MVP, 2x Art Ross, playoff MVP
Selenne: 2 or 3 goal scoring titles.

Teemu was/is an awesome player and a fan favorite but lets get real.
Someone isn't aware of "body of work" Selanne has a shot at 700 goals, when Ovechkin gets that close let's talk
90's talent >>>>> 2000's talent, let's be real here.

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