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03-19-2013, 01:10 PM
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If Okposo can't bury the served-on-a-silver-platter passes from John Tavares in NY, I doubt he'd be able to do that here. I think he'd be more frustrating than Miettinen. And we'd have to give up something to acquire him.
Pretty tough to do because he's not on Tavareses line.

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03-19-2013, 01:13 PM
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Pretty tough to do because he's not on Tavareses line.
Could've sworn he was with JT and Moulson when I watched a handful of Isles' games at the beginning of the season. Was he demoted or am I just mistaken?

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03-19-2013, 01:15 PM
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Okposo is not a significant upgrade to our top 6.
Coyle hasn't been great, but the thing that Okposo has going for him is his youth and that he could get better. Coyle will get better as well and is younger. Okposo signed through 2016, doesn't make a whole lot of sense for us.
If we want to replace Coyle it should be with a more established player on a soon expiring contract.

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03-19-2013, 01:18 PM
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Okposo is not a significant upgrade to our top 6.
Coyle hasn't been great, but the thing that Okposo has going for him is his youth and that he could get better. Coyle will get better as well and is younger. Okposo signed through 2016, doesn't make a whole lot of sense for us.
If we want to replace Coyle it should be with a more established player on a soon expiring contract.
He's at fairly low money though, $2.8m per I think. It would all depend on the asking price. I wouldn't send anything significant their way.

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03-19-2013, 01:52 PM
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We have 7 games until the TD, and they should let us know if we need to do anything, add any pieces, etc...

Detroit, Dallas x2, LA, Phoenix, San Jose and St. Louis. All winnable.

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03-19-2013, 02:07 PM
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We have 7 games until the TD, and they should let us know if we need to do anything, add any pieces, etc...

Detroit, Dallas x2, LA, Phoenix, San Jose and St. Louis. All winnable.
That looks like a pretty tough stretch to me. I see us going about even at 4-3 over those 7 games.

Win: Detroit, Dallas, San Jose,Pheonix
Lose LA, Dallas and St. Louis

LA and St. Louis have found their game, I don't think we win those. I also think we split with Dallas.

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03-19-2013, 02:11 PM
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Could've sworn he was with JT and Moulson when I watched a handful of Isles' games at the beginning of the season. Was he demoted or am I just mistaken?
Nope thats Brad Boyes spot now. Okposo hasn't lived up to his potential yet, but I do like him. Throw them Scandella and a pick for the guy.

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03-19-2013, 02:23 PM
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How would you value a rental?

If you go into the trade thinking that it is a long term piece that would help the Wild, then hockey trades are a bit different to balance and achieve than short term fix options.

We have one or two roster pieces that I'd like to ship out for a true rental; Bouchard or one of Falk/Stoner.

Out of Falk/Stoner, I'd prefer to move Stoner, but understand that he and Spurgeon have a good thing going as the third pair. Falk is younger and could be considered an upgrade for a third pairing for a different team.

Bouchard, unless he lights the world on fire over the next 7 games, will more than likely be a "throw in" to up our side of value.

Going back to the original point about a "rental trade" versus "hockey trade";

A rental trade would be to target a Stafford or Iginla. It would be a true rental, because I can about guarantee you that neither of these players fit in the long term vision of Fletcher. I also think that no matter where Iginla goes, he will most likely pull a Tkachuk and re-sign with Calgary in the off-season.

Package Bouchard + Falk + Pick for either one of these players.

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Parise-Koivu-Iginla/Stafford
Zucker-Cullen-Setoguchi
Clutterbuck-Brodziak-Heatley
Rupp-Konopka-Mitchell

Suter-Brodin
Gilbert-Clark
Stoner-Spurgeon
Prosser

If Fletcher wants to make a hockey trade, I would still look at upgrading our goaltender position via this route...

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03-19-2013, 02:24 PM
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That looks like a pretty tough stretch to me. I see us going about even at 4-3 over those 7 games.

Win: Detroit, Dallas, San Jose,Pheonix
Lose LA, Dallas and St. Louis

LA and St. Louis have found their game, I don't think we win those. I also think we split with Dallas.
So have we. I have us at 5-2 over this stretch, give or take an OT/SO loss or two.

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03-19-2013, 02:29 PM
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9 out of 14 points.

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03-19-2013, 02:47 PM
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Stafford > Okposso

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03-19-2013, 03:02 PM
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for pure rental yeah, but Okposo would be a better long term acquisition IMO. He's like Seto. Find him the right situation and motivation and he'll be productive. Young enough, not afraid of physical play.

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Okposso is garbage, don't want.
Seriously, how can you call Okposo garbage while salivating over Stafford?

Their numbers are nearly identical and Okposo comes cheaper and is younger and has a much higher ceiling than Stafford.

EDIT:To clarify i wouldn't complain if we did get Stafford, it's likely more doable then getting Okposo

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03-19-2013, 04:27 PM
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Seriously, how can you call Okposo garbage while salivating over Stafford?

Their numbers are nearly identical and Okposo comes cheaper and is younger and has a much higher ceiling than Stafford.
Their numbers this year are nearly identical, yes.
Stafford has proven way more on a more consistent basis throughout his career.

He's not the only one who'd take Stafford over Okposo.

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03-19-2013, 04:28 PM
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Want neither Stafford or Oko. What good would they do to this organization or team? Just let Coyle, Granlund, Zucker develop

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Their numbers this year are nearly identical, yes.
Stafford has proven way more on a more consistent basis throughout his career.

He's not the only one who'd take Stafford over Okposo.
Stafford .60 pts per game over career
Okposo .57 pts per game over career

.03=Okposo being garbage and Stafford being more consistent and a savior? Sorry, I guess this is one of those agree to disagree moments.

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03-19-2013, 04:56 PM
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Stafford .60 pts per game over career
Okposo .57 pts per game over career

.03=Okposo being garbage and Stafford being more consistent and a savior? Sorry, I guess this is one of those agree to disagree moments.

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Want neither Stafford or Oko. What good would they do to this organization or team? Just let Coyle, Granlund, Zucker develop
Imo, if we're going to compete in the payoffs, we need Coyle off that top line, and they need to start producing again. The playoffs are not a time for a rookie to explore and figure himself out, not at the rate he's doing it.

Marchand, in his rookie year, helped the B's. He was put in a position, and he made them want to play him. Coyle, while I look forward to his future, is pretty much just being handed that top line spot, because Yeo has visions of whatever for the future.

We make it into the playoffs, we need to compete, and to do so, we need someone who will produce. Coyle is not the answer this year.

Stafford, Pomminville, whomever, just get someone up there who can fill that role properly.

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03-19-2013, 05:01 PM
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How would Matt Read do in this organization. Young, seems to still have alot of potential. What would it take get Read and Meszaros (If even possible). Would a Clutterbuck Scandella + pick be achievable. Also we would have to have Philly take on some of Meszaros contract correct? Thoughts? By the way, first post & trade proposal.

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03-19-2013, 05:08 PM
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Stafford .60 pts per game over career
Okposo .57 pts per game over career

.03=Okposo being garbage and Stafford being more consistent and a savior? Sorry, I guess this is one of those agree to disagree moments.
Career PPG =/= Consistency. Try again.

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Stafford .60 pts per game over career
Okposo .57 pts per game over career

.03=Okposo being garbage and Stafford being more consistent and a savior? Sorry, I guess this is one of those agree to disagree moments.
I'm with you. Similar offensive production capabilities, but Okposo makes $1.2m less per year (albeit for an extra year). It would all depend on the asking price, though.

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I think we have plenty of forward depth that can play bottom or top6, but if we are serious about really trying to make playoffs this year we should be targeting an under performing possible 17-20min eating top4 dman for all situations, Not a under performing top6 forward.

Also, Suter is the only dman on our team with any NHL playoff experience.

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Want neither Stafford or Oko. What good would they do to this organization or team? Just let Coyle, Granlund, Zucker develop
I agree with TSK.

But Stafford is an old Fighting Sioux and Team USA comrade. Plus the guy is a very good hockey player. With him on the right wing instead of Coyle...

I'm a big Coyle fan long term but right now Stafford would be a significant upgrade IMO.

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I would love to get Okposo or Read (philly would ask for a lot tho). I still think Okposo has a ton of potential and playing with Koivu and Parise would motivate him. I like him more than Stafford, he's physical and has scoring ability, we need that on the top line.

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I'd be fine with getting a rental for the rest of the season to replace Coyle. It'd have to be an impending UFA who we then don't sign, because we don't really have enough room.

Come training camp, I'd like for that 1st line RW spot to be up for grabs. Let Coyle try, let Heatley try (assuming he's still with the Wild), you could even let Seto try and yes, let Granlund try as well. It's training camp, you can afford to experiment, it won't cost us any points.

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