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02-17-2013, 04:05 PM
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Thanks for sharing the stats page. Fun to check random stats

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02-17-2013, 04:34 PM
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26 posts and this isn't here yet??? you all are slacking



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02-17-2013, 04:45 PM
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Rock beats Cena = it doesnt count
Sheamus beats Cena = it doesnt count...

the hate for Cena is hilarious. im not even a fan, but its funny to read the comments here. you ask for a question, you get answers, but they dont count cuz IWC is telling me to boo.
This is why I enjoy seeing Cena win. The aftermath it causes with the IWC makes me laugh and laugh for days.

When the 3 faces of Cena beat the Shield tonight, 90% of this place is going to lose their minds as well as say how they're done with WWE from now on.

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02-17-2013, 06:28 PM
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This is why I enjoy seeing Cena win. The aftermath it causes with the IWC makes me laugh and laugh for days.

When the 3 faces of Cena beat the Shield tonight, 90% of this place is going to lose their minds as well as say how they're done with WWE from now on.
As long as the ending isn't dumb, I have no problem with them beating the shield

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02-17-2013, 06:43 PM
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All three of them hitting their finishers on The Shield simultaneously just like they did 3MB on Raw...

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02-17-2013, 06:54 PM
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We're not including that one.
you can't really exclude it, everyone expected Cena to win and he lost clean.

I could see why you exclude the Sheamus one, since Cena beat himself.

Though I'd love to see Cena do something like this


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02-17-2013, 07:00 PM
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As long as the ending isn't dumb, I have no problem with them beating the shield
Do you have much faith in the writers not ending it poorly though?

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02-17-2013, 10:51 PM
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Do you have much faith in the writers not ending it poorly though?
the only match of the night that had a good ending

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02-17-2013, 11:02 PM
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the only match of the night that had a good ending
I was quite happy to be proven wrong, that's for sure lol

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02-17-2013, 11:21 PM
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you can't really exclude it, everyone expected Cena to win and he lost clean.

I could see why you exclude the Sheamus one, since Cena beat himself.

Though I'd love to see Cena do something like this

As a Hurricane mark that was a great night.

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02-17-2013, 11:31 PM
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you can't really exclude it, everyone expected Cena to win and he lost clean.

I could see why you exclude the Sheamus one, since Cena beat himself.

Though I'd love to see Cena do something like this

I'd be good with a Cena heel turn but that angle was supreme. A ridiculous WM main event angle that helped a mid-carder in the process. Cena is at least somewhat willing to lose to a guy like that like he did with Tensai but the heel turn just seems out of the question.

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02-18-2013, 12:14 AM
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That Hurricane-Rock match is so exaggerated in terms of how much The Rock put over Hurricane. That win didn't really do much for Hurricane at all. It was more about Austin vs. Rock than it was about Hurricane getting the win. Austin's music was playing through the whole thing. Even after Hurricane gets the pin, they still play Austin's music. Also, the camera is focused on Austin or The Rock the whole time, while Hurricane is running to the back. No camera shot of Hurricane's victory pose or anything like that. And there was really no follow-up on Hurricane's win. He didn't move up the card at all, just went right back to being a midcarder. They could have done so much more with Hurricane beating The Rock, like they did with Benjamin beating HHH in 2004, as that actually helped Benjamin move up the card.

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02-18-2013, 12:15 AM
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LOL, Hurricane got nothing out of it afterwards because immediately after Rock left, Triple H squashed him on Raw.

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02-18-2013, 12:20 AM
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LOL, Hurricane got nothing out of it afterwards because immediately after Rock left, Triple H squashed him on Raw.
The lack of a follow-up doesn't mean anything. The feud between Rock and Hurricane was good and the best thing Hurricane ever did. It still elevated him even if it didn't result in anything past that.

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I don't remember that, but that Hurricane-Rock match was March 10th, 2003. There were still 2 more Raws after this until Wrestlemania. What did they do with Hurricane for those 2 weeks? I don't remember WWE doing much with him, but maybe I'm wrong. I just remember thinking at the time that they've wasted any momentum Hurricane might have had from The Rock win.

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02-18-2013, 12:26 AM
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The lack of a follow-up doesn't mean anything. The feud between Rock and Hurricane was good and the best thing Hurricane ever did. It still elevated him even if it didn't result in anything past that.
It was the biggest moment of Hurricane's career. But if it didn't result in anything past that, it didn't really elevate him.

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02-18-2013, 12:27 AM
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It was the biggest moment of Hurricane's career. But if it didn't result in anything past that, it didn't really elevate him.
Sure it does. It elevated him because he wasn't anything prior to that feud. A moment, even brief and lacking follow-up, is still elevation.

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02-18-2013, 09:32 AM
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you can't really exclude it, everyone expected Cena to win and he lost clean.

I could see why you exclude the Sheamus one, since Cena beat himself.

Though I'd love to see Cena do something like this

the following week, didn't Triple H bury The Hurricane?

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02-18-2013, 10:31 AM
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you can't really exclude it, everyone expected Cena to win and he lost clean.

I could see why you exclude the Sheamus one, since Cena beat himself.

Though I'd love to see Cena do something like this

I love how when Hurricane wins they still play Stone Cold's music Yeah, Hurricane really got a rub there! That angle was all about Austin/Rock and was never supposed to elevate Hurricane.

As far as Cena goes, he's the new Hogan in the sense that he's the superman that never loses clean anymore since he's Vince's official top face for forever. His WM 28 match against the Rock surprised me but I doubt it happens again any time soon. Even Hogan had his one match where he lost absolutely clean and that was to Warrior at WM 6. Pretty sure every other loss he had was a screwjob/interference or lame DQ or Count out and even Hogan wasn't afforded any Triple Threat match Protection during his main WWF run.

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02-18-2013, 10:54 AM
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I love how when Hurricane wins they still play Stone Cold's music Yeah, Hurricane really got a rub there! That angle was all about Austin/Rock and was never supposed to elevate Hurricane.

As far as Cena goes, he's the new Hogan in the sense that he's the superman that never loses clean anymore since he's Vince's official top face for forever. His WM 28 match against the Rock surprised me but I doubt it happens again any time soon. Even Hogan had his one match where he lost absolutely clean and that was to Warrior at WM 6. Pretty sure every other loss he had was a screwjob/interference or lame DQ or Count out and even Hogan wasn't afforded any Triple Threat match Protection during his main WWF run.
Hurricane got a pin on the Great One. It may have been a fleeting moment but he was very good in this angle and it was the best work he had ever done. Of course the angle was about Austin/Rock but that doesn't mean that Hurricane got nothing out of it.

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02-18-2013, 11:09 AM
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the following week, didn't Triple H bury The Hurricane?
Who didn't HHH bury?


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Hurricane got a pin on the Great One. It may have been a fleeting moment but he was very good in this angle and it was the best work he had ever done. Of course the angle was about Austin/Rock but that doesn't mean that Hurricane got nothing out of it.
Hurricane may have gotten something out of it, but that was more like a side effect of the intended purpose of the angle. Instead of pushing Hurricane, this was meant to intensify the Austin/Rock feud. I did enjoy this angle at the time and I loved Hurricane's part in it, but if they wanted Hurricane to be taken more seriously they should have had him win some other way other than by a distraction. If they wanted to get Hurricane over they could have kept this going and even had a PPV blowoff to the feud after WM but I'm pretty sure it fizzled out from there. Heck, Eugene got a win over Kurt Angle in 2005 and even that culminated in a SummerSlam match.

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02-18-2013, 11:37 AM
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Hurricane may have gotten something out of it, but that was more like a side effect of the intended purpose of the angle. Instead of pushing Hurricane, this was meant to intensify the Austin/Rock feud. I did enjoy this angle at the time and I loved Hurricane's part in it, but if they wanted Hurricane to be taken more seriously they should have had him win some other way other than by a distraction. If they wanted to get Hurricane over they could have kept this going and even had a PPV blowoff to the feud after WM but I'm pretty sure it fizzled out from there. Heck, Eugene got a win over Kurt Angle in 2005 and even that culminated in a SummerSlam match.
I didn't say it was intended for him to get a push. I said it helped him and it did.

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I didn't say it was intended for him to get a push. I said it helped him and it did.
I know, and I agree with you that it helped him much more being in that program with Rock than not. The problem I had with it is that they had a chance to make Hurricane more legit and they just used him as a way to further another feud and Hurricane didn't get elevated to the level he should have by beating the Rock.

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I know, and I agree with you that it helped him much more being in that program with Rock than not. The problem I had with it is that they had a chance to make Hurricane more legit and they just used him as a way to further another feud and Hurricane didn't get elevated to the level he should have by beating the Rock.
I don't think they needed to bury him as quickly as they did with the momentum he had but there was only so far they were going to go with Hurricane Helms. How legit can you make a super hero gimmick on a man of his size? lol

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