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Crosby for Seguin, Hamilton, Krejci

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02-17-2013, 04:32 PM
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Remove Hamilton and add in another very good forward, then yes, it's good value for the Pens.

The Penguins organizational depth is on D; you sub in a Lucic and the value is such that it wouldn't hurt the pens on ice over the next six years.

However, the risk of damage to the Penguins brand (and franchise value) would be big, which is why the team wouldn't do this at this point.

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02-17-2013, 04:44 PM
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While it helps the Bruins from a marketing stance, it hurts our cup chances now. On top of that we are getting rid of our two future franchise players. No thanks. We won a cup with our depth and i wouldn't deplete it even for Crosby.

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1. Crosby is not available
2. No team in the league would give up the assets it would cost to get Crosby.
1 is true, 2 is not.

Any team in the league would give up the assets required to get Crosby, especially at his current age, even if it was only for the revenue that he brought with him and had nothing to do with the on-ice product.

Let's not forget that he's easily the best player in the world and would bring any team up. Free agents would also be more likely to sign with your team if he is there (I'd imagine) so you could fill holes that you made to bring him over.

Honestly...look at what Crosby does with Dupuis and Kunitz. He could probably carry most teams in the league with the kind of parity we have today. Anyone would pay the price to get him. No GM in their right mind, especially in today's cap era, would ever move Crosby.

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It's amazing how hard it is for people to read the OP.

And now, from a strictly on ice perspective this probably isn't enough. If Lucic is added then might be.
Then you woke upppp.....no trade lock it

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02-17-2013, 06:51 PM
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Crosby has 132 points in his last 82 games played, how is he not the player he once was?...

Also Why would Pittsburgh accept that garbage for Crosby, When they could fetch a lot more of an overpayment from any team in the league...I mean If i were the Oilers GM, I would Cough up my 2013 First, 2014 First, Hall, Gagner, Nugent-Hopkins...Which trumps your offer by far.

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Crosby has 132 points in his last 82 games played, how is he not the player he once was?...

Also Why would Pittsburgh accept that garbage for Crosby, When they could fetch a lot more of an overpayment from any team in the league...I mean If i were the Oilers GM, I would Cough up my 2013 First, 2014 First, Hall, Gagner, Nugent-Hopkins...Which trumps your offer by far.
I'm no Bruins fan, but for you to say that a Seguin/Hamilton/Krejci package is garbage is beyond insane.

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02-17-2013, 07:41 PM
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That's how OP looks to Bruins fans. Point made
Your point wasn't made because pens were actually trading players with better production in recent years than ovechkin

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02-17-2013, 07:43 PM
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Also... I think most teams beat that offer in 5 seconds if it was shopped around as being considered.

If I was the TML GM, I would offer up way more than this to get him in a Toronto Jersey.

Maybe a first or two... kessel, gardiner, rielly, frattin... etc. Pretty much whatever the Pens wanted if they could take the contract count and salary cap. How many times can you trade for the best player in the game?

I would probably also offer a similar package for Malkin.
Lets say Crosby was available its pretty hard for the Leafs to beat the OP offer... What would it be? Kadri,Bozak and 2nd Hahahaha It would gut the team that it wouldn't be worth it.

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Nobody else could make Dupuis look like a first liner. It would take more pieces to replace Crosby than anyone would offer up. The Pens wouldn't just be losing Crosby - they'd be losing the ability to use Kunitz and Dupuis as first liners.

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Remove Hamilton and add in another very good forward, then yes, it's good value for the Pens.

The Penguins organizational depth is on D; you sub in a Lucic and the value is such that it wouldn't hurt the pens on ice over the next six years.

However, the risk of damage to the Penguins brand (and franchise value) would be big, which is why the team wouldn't do this at this point.

if we were to trade Crosby to Boston, in my opinion Seguin, Lucic, and one of either Bergeron or Marchand r coming back our way

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02-17-2013, 08:01 PM
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Id take the 3 boston players package before Crosby. Still, Id rather have Bergeron before Krejci.

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Overpayment by the bruins. If you trade him away to a team that is not the leagues darling he wont produce near to what his pitt stats are.

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Overpayment by the bruins. If you trade him away to a team that is not the leagues darling he wont produce near to what his pitt stats are.
Why do you think they're the league's darling?

Think real hard about that, then respond.

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Simple answer, Yes

Long answer, Yeeeessssssssssssssssssss.

I would want Bostons entire first line of Lucic, Krejci, Horton plus 2 1sts and then factor his being the face of your team now and the league, how much is that worth to you in roster players, prospects, and picks? If they could still trade money we're talking hundreds of millions the Pens loose out on over Crosby's contract.

Reasoning: The Pens are built around Crosby and the fact he's able to do more with less, more moves would be required.
No thanks to that, lol.

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02-18-2013, 12:18 AM
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Why do you think they're the league's darling?

Think real hard about that, then respond.
asking him to think about it, let alone think hard? you'll be waiting quite a while for a response in that case.

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Id take the 3 boston players package before Crosby. Still, Id rather have Bergeron before Krejci.
that's fine. just about every Pens fan would take Crosby over that package any day.

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Why do you think they're the league's darling?

Think real hard about that, then respond.
Clearly the NHL loves big cities like...Pittsburgh...

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These threads are always stupid. Not Crosby threads but threads involving any of the really top stars.

The reason is the salary cap. You could find a trade that is value even for Crosby, even for a Crosby with no concussion history. But the players involved would explode your cap, if not now in the near future and in the end you end up with the short end of the stick. A Stamkos or Malkin would be the same thing.

So in effect although talent wise you could put together theoretically a package of young star players in trade that would be fair, in a cap world there is no trade that woud work.

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Anyone that thinks this trade is remotely close is seriously underrating Crosby

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Forget Crosby's marketability and lets talk strictly on what brings the Pens closer to a cup now, and over the next 6 years.

To The Bruins:
Crosby

To the Pens:
TYLER SEGUIN
DOUGIE HAMILTON
DAVID KREJCI

A) Would this trade help or hurt the Penguins product on the ice now, and over the next 6 years?
B) From a value POV, is this a good trade for either team? If not, what's missing?
What would you want for Crosby, forget that you're a Bruins fan.

The trade doesn't help the Penguins right now, Seguin is no Crosby and will never be a player that produces like Crosby. Krejci and Seguin, why do we need two centers all of a sudden? It just doesn't work for the Penguins. That and it's not even remotely close enough to being enough for the league's best player.

That and Penguins would never trade the face of their franchise. Not unless he's claiming he's dying alive.

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As much as like Seguin, Krejci, and Hamilton, I think Boston still has to add here. Even considering the concussion issues, I think more assets are needed to land the best player on the planet. And Crosby is just that IMO. And I'm not a fan of either team.

That being said, if Chiarelli were to pull that off, I would instantly call him a genius, genius, genius! Why? Because he would have essentially flipped Kessel and Krejci for Crosby and Jared Knight. Not too shabby lol. Think about it that way while evaluating the OP's trade

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As much as like Seguin, Krejci, and Hamilton, I think Boston still has to add here. Even considering the concussion issues, I think more assets are needed to land the best player on the planet. And Crosby is just that IMO. And I'm not a fan of either team.

That being said, if Chiarelli were to pull that off, I would instantly call him a genius, genius, genius! Why? Because he would have essentially flipped Kessel and Krejci for Crosby and Jared Knight. Not too shabby lol. Think about it that way while evaluating the OP's trade
or we don't even have to because the notion of trading the best player on the planet would be absolutely ridiculous unless he wanted out (which he doesn't since he signed that 12-year extension)

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Yes the Bruins finally found a PMD who has actually been our best Defenseman this year and we will trade him away.........

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NIce another "lets kick Burke and the Leafs in the NUts" thread.

Well Seguin hasn't done **** on his own. He has had a sheltered life on a powerhouse team that has two monsters that will eat anyone that touches him.

Hamilton has done less than squat.

Next two years for sure PIT is better with Crosby.

After Hamilton starts becoming truly effective, then maybe the scale goes the other way.

But right now if PIT wants to win the CUp this year or next they keep Crosby.

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NIce another "lets kick Burke and the Leafs in the NUts" thread.

Well Seguin hasn't done **** on his own. He has had a sheltered life on a powerhouse team that has two monsters that will eat anyone that touches him.

Hamilton has done less than squat. and Knight has done less than Hamilton.

Next two years for sure PIT is better with Crosby.

After Hamilton starts becoming truly effective, then maybe the scale goes the other way.

But right now if PIT wants to win the CUp this year or next they keep Crosby.
Tell us how you really feel.

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