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03-24-2013, 01:28 PM
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we are getting too attached to our mediocre players it seems. We have to make room for youngsters and talent alike.
Yup. This is why I don't get the love people have for Skille. He's fine on the fourth line but replaceable by someone who does one thing really well. Like PK, or change the momentum of a game with his hitting.

Goc can fetch a second round pick and Matthias can take over his spot.

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Agreed, Goc is becoming obsolete. Mathias does everything he does except better imo.
I don't buy this either.

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we are getting too attached to our mediocre players it seems. We have to make room for youngsters and talent alike.
Mediocre? No one is attached to Santo, Kuba, Clem, etc. Matthias, Goc, Skille, and Kopecky aren't mediocre. They're great at their roles. Two solid top lines and we have a great team with a few other tweaks

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Yup. This is why I don't get the love people have for Skille. He's fine on the fourth line but replaceable by someone who does one thing really well. Like PK, or change the momentum of a game with his hitting.

Goc can fetch a second round pick and Matthias can take over his spot.
Easily replaceable? Like who? Who's available and what team would give them up?

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Easily replaceable? Like who? Who's available and what team would give them up?
Raffi Torres, Chad LaRose, Viktor Stalberg, Matt Hendricks, Pascal Dupouis, Kyle Chipchura, Matt Cooke are all going to be free agents who would fit in nicely on the third or fourth line. Combination of penalty kill ability and hitting amoung these guys. That's just guys who are free agents.

We definitely need to get better on the PK and tougher throughout the lineup so some people will have to go. Who that is on the bottom line, let me know. Kopecky? Bergie? Matthias? Goc? Parros? Skille?

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Mediocre? No one is attached to Santo, Kuba, Clem, etc. Matthias, Goc, Skille, and Kopecky aren't mediocre. They're great at their roles. Two solid top lines and we have a great team with a few other tweaks
In that list you named 5 forwards, 1 defensemen, and 1 goaltender. Thats a big chunk of a team.

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Raffi Torres, Chad LaRose, Viktor Stalberg, Matt Hendricks, Pascal Dupouis, Kyle Chipchura, Matt Cooke are all going to be free agents who would fit in nicely on the third or fourth line. Combination of penalty kill ability and hitting amoung these guys. That's just guys who are free agents.

We definitely need to get better on the PK and tougher throughout the lineup so some people will have to go. Who that is on the bottom line, let me know. Kopecky? Bergie? Matthias? Goc? Parros? Skille?
I'll keep Skille over all those. Especially Torres and Cooke. LaRose? Lol

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In that list you named 5 forwards, 1 defensemen, and 1 goaltender. Thats a big chunk of a team.
Surely you saw where one list ended and another began.

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I'll keep Skille over all those. Especially Torres and Cooke. LaRose? Lol



Surely you saw where one list ended and another began.
All three are much better than Skille. It's not even debatable.

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Cooke and Torres are much better than Skille. It's not even debatable.
Both are ********, keep em off the team. And I'll take Skille, it is debatable. You can bring whatever nonsense you want, that they are what they are is enough.

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Both are ********, keep em off the team. And I'll take Skille, it is debatable. You can bring whatever nonsense you want, that they are what they are is enough.
All three hit more and score more than Skille. Cooke is completely reformed, Torres can be a punk but we need someone like that, and like I said, we need to improve this team, especially make it tougher.

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Skille has had a good year, and is younger than the guys being discussed.

Why not keep Skille and add one of those guys to the team?

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Mediocre? No one is attached to Santo, Kuba, Clem, etc. Matthias, Goc, Skille, and Kopecky aren't mediocre. They're great at their roles. Two solid top lines and we have a great team with a few other tweaks
Skille is very mediocre. Who honestly cares if we have Jack Skille on our team?

Goc and Kopecky are responsible players who would make useful depth players on good teams. Kopecky i'm still curious as to whether he is developing into a useful scorer or not.

Matthias ain't that great. He skates well and shows flashes of solid hands, but for the large part, he's a blackhole offensively. He serves a purpose, but i wouldn't really care if i didn't have to watch him anymore.

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Skille has had a good year, and is younger than the guys being discussed.

Why not keep Skille and add one of those guys to the team?
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Skille is very mediocre. Who honestly cares if we have Jack Skille on our team?

Goc and Kopecky are responsible players who would make useful depth players on good teams. Kopecky i'm still curious as to whether he is developing into a useful scorer or not.

Matthias ain't that great. He skates well and shows flashes of solid hands, but for the large part, he's a blackhole offensively. He serves a purpose, but i wouldn't really care if i didn't have to watch him anymore.
Per usual, I disagree.

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Should we just trade everyone on the team who gives a ****?

Matthias? Really? The guy has been very good this year. If he had linemates who could finish, he'd be looking like a top-6 forward right now. Dineen should actually put him out there with better linemates, for a change.

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All three hit more and score more than Skille. Cooke is completely reformed, Torres can be a punk but we need someone like that, and like I said, we need to improve this team, especially make it tougher.
Nope. That you clamor that we need 'a punk' is just ridiculous. And Cooke was suspended earlier this season. Chipchura? Would love him. Most of those guys...no. Pretty sure Tallon will agree.

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Skille has had a good year, and is younger than the guys being discussed.

Why not keep Skille and add one of those guys to the team?
I don't think Skille makes this team better and his year statistically is better because he's getting more ice time because of injuries but with a healthy lineup he's a fourth line player. If we can move him for a third round pick I'd do it in a second. We also have a glut of bottom six guys and he's at the bottom of the depth chart among them.

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Nope. That you clamor that we need 'a punk' is just ridiculous. And Cooke was suspended earlier this season. Chipchura? Would love him. Most of those guys...no. Pretty sure Tallon will agree.
Yeah, I'm sure Tallon will think we're too good for them.

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I don't think Skille makes this team better and his year statistically is better because he's getting more ice time because of injuries but with a healthy lineup he's a fourth line player. If we can move him for a third round pick I'd do it in a second. We also have a glut of bottom six guys and he's at the bottom of the depth chart among them.
He doesn't make the team worse, and he's clearly stepped it up, proving he can play a more important role. Not sure how that's lost on you. Yet, you'll defend Clemmer to the death.

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Yeah, I'm sure Tallon will think we're too good for them.
Glad you agree

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Skille is very mediocre. Who honestly cares if we have Jack Skille on our team?

Goc and Kopecky are responsible players who would make useful depth players on good teams. Kopecky i'm still curious as to whether he is developing into a useful scorer or not.

Matthias ain't that great. He skates well and shows flashes of solid hands, but for the large part, he's a blackhole offensively. He serves a purpose, but i wouldn't really care if i didn't have to watch him anymore.
A lot of people are very defensive over this fourth liner. I don't get it either.

Agree about Goc and Kopecky. I think Kopecky is on a hot streak thanks to more ice time because of injuries.

I think Matthias could be a good shutdown third line center. He has the tools to become a very good bottom line player. His offensive skills are overrated because of his unexpected highlight reel goals.

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He doesn't make the team worse, and he's clearly stepped it up, proving he can play a more important role. Not sure how that's lost on you. Yet, you'll defend Clemmer to the death.
Guess what, if a player doesn't improve this team, he shouldn't be on it. Skille is a fourth liner.

I defend the unreasonable knee jerk attacks on Clemmer. The goal tonight against Markstrom would have received a dozen "Clemmer sucks" posts. Clemmer was extremely valuable to this team last year. His play was crucial for us making the playoffs. Skille? A complete non-factor.

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He doesn't make the team worse, and he's clearly stepped it up, proving he can play a more important role. Not sure how that's lost on you. Yet, you'll defend Clemmer to the death.
Define important? He's a role player on a very bad team. You're being a tad fast and loose with the term important.

Skille is what he is. Skates well, tries hard and isn't really a detriment to your team. You can roll him 10-12 minutes a night and nothing bad will happen. Conversely, he's pretty limited offensively, is easily replaced and doesn't really warrant the attention he's recieved since being traded for Frolik.

Kopecky and Goc are of course without question better players. Kopecky on a good team can provide 3rd line scoring whilst Goc is a very very dependable and useful utility player that many teams would like in their bottom six.

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Skille is a 3rd/4th line guy nothing more than that, its not reasonable to count him as a scorer. He does his job well which is skate hit and check occasionally score

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I don't think Skille makes this team better and his year statistically is better because he's getting more ice time because of injuries but with a healthy lineup he's a fourth line player. If we can move him for a third round pick I'd do it in a second. We also have a glut of bottom six guys and he's at the bottom of the depth chart among them.
Well, I mean, sure. He's certainly not untouchable.
Still though, we have a bunch of players that we should be looking to move.

I just don't see how Skille is a problem on the 4th line. I won't be sad if he leaves, but he's a 4th liner who's young, cheap, and not bad.

The fact he's been more productive with more ice time is a bad thing?

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Guess what, if a player doesn't improve this team, he shouldn't be on it. Skille is a fourth liner.
That's silly. Every team has fourth liners and all fourth liners, by definition, are replaceable. Should we just roll three lines next year then?

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