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04-02-2013, 02:43 PM
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You speak to Viner often? I don't suppose you have his email or phone numbee( office # is good) I'd like to speak to him myself but I haven't gone to a game in awhile and nothing is listed online
Im nothing special. He's among the fans between periods often!!! That's where I catch him he's very kind with his time.


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Do you think they all just expect fans to come out while the product isnt top notch though? I think thats where there's a disconnect here in that no one was saying they expect the fans to come out to support a losing team. Otherwise, our ticket prices wouldnt be as low as they are right now. No one market in the NHL could you get season tickets for the price you're talking about.

And no team is ever assured of being an entertaining product, even if they are a top spender. Everyone takes a risk as a STH, hoping they are entertained. Honestly (and I said this last yr before we even started the season), even if we're not winning, I can be entertained if we're competitive night-in and night-out. How we've played in the last 2 weeks is what I call entertaining and we've basically been a .500 team at 4-4. So what I'm saying is entertaining does not need to equal winning even though we know that winning does equal entertaining (for the most part)...you can be entertained without the actual winning if the team is showing heart on the ice IMO. That heart was missing for most of this season and it made the losing worse if you ask me.
Everything you say here is true! To the die hard fan like most of us here. Ever since the turnaround circa alien landing I've had fun!

However You'll never get the casual fan out to a team that loses year after year after year. Or once they're eliminated. They're are only so many walks of shame one can tolerate. And it's killing the renewals.

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This might interest everyone, albeit just a rumour:

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Kevin McGran of the Toronto Star says that while the Maple Leafs are still in the hunt for help in net, they may "set their sights lower."

“There's always an urge to try to do something,” said Leafs' general manager Dave Nonis. “That's natural, to want to add, or to change. But you better take a long walk around the block before you make a big move, if it's going to suck some of the future out of your team.”

McGran suggests the Flames' Joey MacDonald or Panthers' Scott Clemmensen as other options for Toronto.

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04-02-2013, 04:34 PM
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No.. We can't get rid of clemmer... How would we lose games? We're tryin to tank boys.

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Im nothing special. He's among the fans between periods often!!! That's where I catch him he's very kind with his time.
Yeah he sits in section 129 about 4 rows from the ice. He's always walking around the lower bowl.

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04-02-2013, 06:39 PM
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This might interest everyone, albeit just a rumour:
Srsly, absolutely ANYTHING would make me pull the trigger if they want Clemmer.

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04-02-2013, 09:01 PM
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Dale Tallon's Message to the fans from facebook page:

Dear Fans,

I hope you all had a great weekend and enjoyed our team’s exciting come-from-behind win against the New Jersey Devils on Saturday night.

Prior to the game I had the opportunity to talk with many of you about the season thus far and our strategy for the future and one of the things I mentioned was the hard-work and resiliency that this Florida Panthers team continues to show, even now.

That resiliency was on clear display Saturday evening when we came back from a 2-1 deficit with less than a minute remaining in the third period to win 3-2 in overtime. What was even more rewarding was the fact that it was many of our young up-and-coming players that contributed to the victory.

Defenseman Dmitry Kulikov scored the game winner, forward Shawn Matthias scored two more goals, rookie Jonathan Huberdeau had two more assists, while young goaltender Jacob Markstrom stood tall in net.

It was a good win for our team, especially in front of our home fans who deserve more games like Saturday night. Our fans have been incredible in supporting us all season long, especially during a season where we have been ravaged by injuries and have not gotten the results that we wanted.

As I said on Saturday, I’m not happy. But one tough season is not going to deter us from executing our plan. I’ve said this many times before – we have a blueprint for success and we know that it works so we are going to continue to follow it.

In addition to the players I mentioned above, we have some other great young prospects that are maturing right in front of our eyes this year. Players like defenseman Erik Gudbranson, forward Drew Shore, and others.

We also have some good veteran leaders that we can count on as we move forward including defenseman Brian Campbell and forward Tomas Fleischmann.

Meanwhile, we have an incredible group of prospects waiting in the wings including forwards Nick Bjugstad, Corban Knight, Rocco Grimaldi and Vincent Trocheck and defensemen Alex Petrovic, Colby Robak and Michael Matheson. Not to mention the fact that we are likely to have two high picks in this year’s draft which is full of high-end talent.

Yes, this season has been a struggle and I understand your disappointment because I am disappointed as well. But one tough year does not change the extremely bright future for this franchise. We know where we are going and we know how to get there. This team is going to be a contender for many years to come, and we need you and all of our fans supporting us on this journey.

Thank you for your passion and support and go Panthers.

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Dale Tallon

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04-02-2013, 10:41 PM
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Dale Tallon's Message to the fans from facebook page:

Dear Fans,

I hope you all had a great weekend and enjoyed our teamís exciting come-from-behind win against the New Jersey Devils on Saturday night.

Prior to the game I had the opportunity to talk with many of you about the season thus far and our strategy for the future and one of the things I mentioned was the hard-work and resiliency that this Florida Panthers team continues to show, even now.

That resiliency was on clear display Saturday evening when we came back from a 2-1 deficit with less than a minute remaining in the third period to win 3-2 in overtime. What was even more rewarding was the fact that it was many of our young up-and-coming players that contributed to the victory.

Defenseman Dmitry Kulikov scored the game winner, forward Shawn Matthias scored two more goals, rookie Jonathan Huberdeau had two more assists, while young goaltender Jacob Markstrom stood tall in net.

It was a good win for our team, especially in front of our home fans who deserve more games like Saturday night. Our fans have been incredible in supporting us all season long, especially during a season where we have been ravaged by injuries and have not gotten the results that we wanted.

As I said on Saturday, Iím not happy. But one tough season is not going to deter us from executing our plan. Iíve said this many times before Ė we have a blueprint for success and we know that it works so we are going to continue to follow it.

In addition to the players I mentioned above, we have some other great young prospects that are maturing right in front of our eyes this year. Players like defenseman Erik Gudbranson, forward Drew Shore, and others.

We also have some good veteran leaders that we can count on as we move forward including defenseman Brian Campbell and forward Tomas Fleischmann.

Meanwhile, we have an incredible group of prospects waiting in the wings including forwards Nick Bjugstad, Corban Knight, Rocco Grimaldi and Vincent Trocheck and defensemen Alex Petrovic, Colby Robak and Michael Matheson. Not to mention the fact that we are likely to have two high picks in this yearís draft which is full of high-end talent.

Yes, this season has been a struggle and I understand your disappointment because I am disappointed as well. But one tough year does not change the extremely bright future for this franchise. We know where we are going and we know how to get there. This team is going to be a contender for many years to come, and we need you and all of our fans supporting us on this journey.

Thank you for your passion and support and go Panthers.

Regards,

Dale Tallon

Executive Vice President & General Manager, Hockey Operations
Im still, In tallon we trust. lets see what 7/1 brings.

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04-02-2013, 11:47 PM
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It's looking a lot like the move(s) will be minor if we even make a move(s).

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Now I know this is a shot in the dark and simply a pipe dream, but I think we should go hard after Pominville.

Returns for players are INCREDIBLY low right now. Teams are not getting anywhere near what they ask, and Buffalo wants to rebuild. We have a fair amount of mid-level prospects that I think would be enough to get him out of Buffalo.

I know we won't be buyers at the deadline but I think it would be an ideal time to get him. Team's are not getting the value they expect and I think Pominville could be had for a couple of good prospects and a roster player.

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lots of rumors swirling around kulikov. Is it me or it seems he is highly overvalued by the rest of the hockey world that has watched 5 of our games all of this season and last.

That being said, i still think it would be a mistake to trade him for couturier lets say.

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Per reports, Kulikov is available for the right price. If Im Tallon, my untouchable list would be Huberdeau, Gudbranson, Shore, Mueller, Matthias, and Markstrom, thats it. Everyone else would be available, for the right price. Kulikov would be available, but we have to get a top six forward back in return, preferably a scorer. Everyone else...picks, picks, picks. This draft can really set up our prospect core, and give Tallon an opportunity to fill in the wholes it has. Id prefer to keep Goc and Kopecky, because along with Bergenheim, they are one of the best 3rd lines in the game.

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Per reports, Kulikov is available for the right price. If Im Tallon, my untouchable list would be Huberdeau, Gudbranson, Shore, Mueller, Matthias, and Markstrom, thats it. Everyone else would be available, for the right price. Kulikov would be available, but we have to get a top six forward back in return, preferably a scorer. Everyone else...picks, picks, picks. This draft can really set up our prospect core, and give Tallon an opportunity to fill in the wholes it has. Id prefer to keep Goc and Kopecky, because along with Bergenheim, they are one of the best 3rd lines in the game.
What about soupy? I think hes here on that untouchable list.

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Hoping he can tag along one of ur bad contracts in a trade...

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I would not trade him unless someone truly overpaid with a game changing center. Whose on the blue line
next yr? Old man jovo? Mediocre weaver? Kuba the pilon?

People think these puck moving dmen come along every day. Here's a young home grown one with an upside. Him and Cambpell are almost untouchable IMHO.

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What about soupy? I think hes here on that untouchable list.
Yeah, I forgot Soupy. But, the one good thing about trading Soupy is that the Panthers would have to spend even more in order to get past the cap floor. I would keep him though.

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Isn't it time for Jovo to hang them up... I'd like to see Kuba moved but I doubt anyone will eat that contract...

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I say get rid of the obvious ones for picks, but no need to trade assets like Kulikov, Kopecky or Mueller.

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I would not trade him unless someone truly overpaid with a game changing center. Whose on the blue line
next yr? Old man jovo? Mediocre weaver? Kuba the pilon?

People think these puck moving dmen come along every day. Here's a young home grown one with an upside. Him and Cambpell are almost untouchable IMHO.
We would have Brennan, Robak and possibly Petrovic competing for a spot. Our top 4 would take a hit but we have enough depth to move forward next yr and not be hurt by it. Petrovic & Robak are suppose to be the future anyway so we should be looking to integrate them soon regardless (plus I believe Robak is out of minor league options so he would have to clear waivers next season.

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Per reports, Kulikov is available for the right price. If Im Tallon, my untouchable list would be Huberdeau, Gudbranson, Shore, Mueller, Matthias, and Markstrom, thats it. Everyone else would be available, for the right price. Kulikov would be available, but we have to get a top six forward back in return, preferably a scorer. Everyone else...picks, picks, picks. This draft can really set up our prospect core, and give Tallon an opportunity to fill in the wholes it has. Id prefer to keep Goc and Kopecky, because along with Bergenheim, they are one of the best 3rd lines in the game.
Kulikov would be on my untouchable list if Mueller and Matthias are. Kulikov>>>>>>Matthias, and it's not even close. Matthias has had one great month. I like Mueller but he's available. And if Kulikov is available, I'd certainly believe Gudbranson is available.

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We would have Brennan, Robak and possibly Petrovic competing for a spot. Our top 4 would take a hit but we have enough depth to move forward next yr and not be hurt by it. Petrovic & Robak are suppose to be the future anyway so we should be looking to integrate them soon regardless (plus I believe Robak is out of minor league options so he would have to clear waivers next season.
Petrovic hasn't played at the NHL level and Robak isn't good in his own zone. We should trade Robak instead of losing him via waivers because I don't think he's NHL ready.

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Robak can go bye bye AFAIC, if someone wants to pick him up on waivers. AG is right, idk why people think young puckmoving D the caliber of Kulikov come along every day. Tallon has also repeatedly mentioned him as part of the future and listed him as an untouchable.

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Robak can go bye bye AFAIC, if someone wants to pick him up on waivers. AG is right, idk why people think young puckmoving D the caliber of Kulikov come along every day. Tallon has also repeatedly mentioned him as part of the future and listed him as an untouchable.
Yup. People really don't give enough credit to Kulikov. It will be a mistake if we trade him and he's the best player in the trade.

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Robak can go bye bye AFAIC, if someone wants to pick him up on waivers. AG is right, idk why people think young puckmoving D the caliber of Kulikov come along every day. Tallon has also repeatedly mentioned him as part of the future and listed him as an untouchable.
Has he sunken that far? I think he has an upside of a 2nd pairing smooth puck mover. Solid but unspectacular in his own zone but a solid transition game. TJ Brennan and Robak -- one or the other is redundant imo.

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