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02-17-2013, 03:40 PM
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He was still playing with an incredible amount of talent? You think it's a coincidence he scored in the mid 30's his entire career & is now scoring around 60 now that he's playing with Sid?

but being able to elevate like that with better talent is not something everybody can do.

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He was still playing with an incredible amount of talent? You think it's a coincidence he scored in the mid 30's his entire career & is now scoring around 60 now that he's playing with Sid?

He barely played with Sid last year, but ok

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Neal and Malkin are playing bad even strength hockey.

I highly suspect Malkin is injured, though.

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A win is a win. Yet unless Bennett can improve his play and become a NHL scorer with a right handed shot, the Pens are just missing that off wing shot that Neal offers from his off wing. Kennedy is a non factor. A big minus is Suter. He is just not quite there yet.

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+ We're now #1 in the conference
+ Sid playing guilty after his boneheaded penalty
+ DUPES
+ Kunitz
+ Martin

- lack of discipline
- Orpik...he was floating and chasing all afternoon
- Malkin...uninspired
- Sutter...weak

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I feel like the Penguins played 12 minutes of hockey and beat the Sabres.. whats that say about Buffalo?

Penguins need a kick in the pants though. Maybe Philly at home will do it
Bryzgalov complete **** the bed against Jersey; we just put four past Miller. 5 - 2 Penguins. Malkin wakes up and has a 4 point night, all goals and primary assists. The first period is dominated by the Penguins, with Crosby scoring a spectacular unassisted goal and Neal coverting on two laser-sharp passes from Geno. Unfortunately, the Flyers wake up early in the 2nd and Fleury lets in a soft goal courtesy of Talbot, to cut into our 3 - 0 lead. Fleury also gets screwed over a few minutes later when the referee misses an interference call on Briere, putting Fleury badly out of position and netting Giroux a lucky goal. In response, Malkin goes into beast mode and takes over the game, scoring 2 more late in the 2nd. Confident that victory is already assured while also frustrated by the usual Philly cheap shots, the boys gets a little sloppy in the 3rd, making defensive gaffes, and taking some bad retaliation penalties. Luckily, Fleury plays one of the best periods of his career to prevent Philly from charging back and allowing the Pens to maintain a 3 goal lead in a chippy 20 minutes dominated by the Flyers. After the game, a gang of obnoxious Philly fans who made the trip across the state make childish remarks about Crosby and try to start **** in the parking lot with an unassuming young father in a Fleury T-Shirt and his two young boys in matching Winter Classic Crosby jerseys, only to get their ***** kicked by a huge bouncer-looking guy in a Craig Adams coat. To make matters worse for the ********, they're uninsured and have to auction off their season tickets and sell all their vintage Flyers memorabilia to pay for the resulting treatment at UPMC, which is presided over by a charismatic young doctor with a fancy Penguins watch.


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You could say the same thing about Neal. How many goals does he create off of his own individual effort? Doesn't matter how you score, so long as you do it. Not like most of Sid's are pretty but I don't think anyone would mistake him for playing poor offensive hockey.
No Neal's been helped as well. Sid & Geno have taken good players in Kunitz & Neal & turned them into great players. They've taken average players like Dupuis & turned him into a good player.

People look at players like Boychuk & go "They don't make their line mates better!" but they can't transform AHL talent into NHL players. I don't think you can ignore what they've done to make some these guys better. I don't think Dupuis scores 59 points a season playing next to Sutter or Vitale.

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He was still playing with an incredible amount of talent?


Remember that whole concussion thing (he missed 60 games last year)? Remember that Kunitz-Malkin-Neal played together the whole year (without Dupuis)? Hear that comment that all of his goals were 5v5?

Give the man some credit. He has IMPROVED his offensive game through hard work and smarts / knowing where to be and when to take his shots (unlike Kennedy). Dupuis amazingly, is still improving his game despite his age.

Not saying he's the winger solution but for all the stuff he can do, he's a damn good fill-in.

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He was still playing with an incredible amount of talent? You think it's a coincidence he scored in the mid 30's his entire career & is now scoring around 60 now that he's playing with Sid?

To be fair, he's been playing with Sid for a lot longer than the past year and a half. Dupuis has largely been tethered to Sid's wing since his second season here.

Nobody is arguing that he's a legitimate 50+ point guy without Sid...but he's turned into a player who's putting his chances into the net, instead of the guy who was shooting the puck 10 feet wide every time like he was before. He deserves a lot of credit for that.

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No Neal's been helped as well. Sid & Geno have taken good players in Kunitz & Neal & turned them into great players. They've taken average players like Dupuis & turned him into a good player.

People look at players like Boychuk & go "They don't make their line mates better!" but they can't transform AHL talent into NHL players. I don't think you can ignore what they've done to make some these guys better. I don't think Dupuis scores 59 points a season playing next to Sutter or Vitale.
True, but there is something to be said for third wheels that can find ways to click with Sid and Geno. Not everyone can. Poni sucked, Sullivan couldn't, etc. You have a point about them not being able to turn AHLers into good players, but there have been more than one NHL player that hasn't been able to click with them too.

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No Neal's been helped as well. Sid & Geno have taken good players in Kunitz & Neal & turned them into great players. They've taken average players like Dupuis & turned him into a good player.

People look at players like Boychuk & go "They don't make their line mates better!" but they can't transform AHL talent into NHL players. I don't think you can ignore what they've done to make some these guys better. I don't think Dupuis scores 59 points a season playing next to Sutter or Vitale.
absolutely. Not everyone has the ability to be elevated. Kunitz, Neal and Dupuis do. We absolutely need one more who can. One extra would be nice. No offense to Duper, but he's a perfect 3rd liner to have available to plug an injury hole in the top 6.

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No Neal's been helped as well. Sid & Geno have taken good players in Kunitz & Neal & turned them into great players. They've taken average players like Dupuis & turned him into a good player.

People look at players like Boychuk & go "They don't make their line mates better!" but they can't transform AHL talent into NHL players. I don't think you can ignore what they've done to make some these guys better. I don't think Dupuis scores 59 points a season playing next to Sutter or Vitale.
he put up 59 last year with Staal and Cooke/TK, with virtually 0 PP time.

Not sure how that translate into Sid and Geno making him better

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By the way Engelland played 13 minutes and Bort played 8:49. The Pens basically didn't even play their third pairing this game.

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and whoever the Thrashers took with that 1st
But just think of the off the board Dman Shero would have taken with that pick!

He prolly would have passed on Voynov and taken Goloubef, Ness or Sauve.

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By the way Engelland played 13 minutes and Bort played 8:49. The Pens basically didn't even play their third pairing this game.
they needed that size and grit while Despres sat in the press box!

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Chicago looks like freaking Globetrotters out there.

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Lost to 1 team in the last ten games. Only play jersey one more time this year. We will see if Chris Stewart and iginla can score against em come April 25th

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He was still playing with an incredible amount of talent? You think it's a coincidence he scored in the mid 30's his entire career & is now scoring around 60 now that he's playing with Sid?

Late bloomer, or maturing into a role he's usually not in?

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He barely played with Sid last year, but ok
Didn't stop him from being part of 12 of his points last year. Not to mention how much playing with Malkin & Letang helped him. I don't see how it's even arguable that his numbers are helped by playing with these guys.

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Late bloomer, or maturing into a role he's usually not in?
I think its some of all of these things. Even when not with Sid last year (and he was with Sid for most of the big point streak wasn't he?) he was with Staal and Sully. Not a bad line by any means.

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