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Which team develops the best goaltenders?

View Poll Results: Which team develops the best goaltenders?
Anaheim Ducks 5 4.13%
Boston Bruins 2 1.65%
Buffalo Sabres 2 1.65%
Calgary Flames 0 0%
Carolina Hurricanes 1 0.83%
Chicago Blackhawks 0 0%
Colorado Avalanche 0 0%
Columbus Blue Jackets 0 0%
Dallas Stars 0 0%
Detroit Red Wings 0 0%
Edmonton Oilers 0 0%
Florida Panthers 2 1.65%
Los Angeles Kings 4 3.31%
Minnesota Wild 0 0%
Montreal Canadiens 39 32.23%
Nashville Predators 42 34.71%
New Jersey Devils 1 0.83%
New York Islanders 0 0%
New York Rangers 2 1.65%
Ottawa Senators 0 0%
Philadelphia Flyers 1 0.83%
Phoenix Coyotes 4 3.31%
Pittsburgh Penguins 0 0%
San Jose Sharks 3 2.48%
St. Louis Blues 3 2.48%
Tampa Bay Lightning 0 0%
Toronto Maple Leafs 1 0.83%
Vancouver Canucks 6 4.96%
Washington Capitals 3 2.48%
Winnipeg Jets 0 0%
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02-20-2013, 12:51 AM
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Which team develops the best goaltenders?

Basically what team has a good history of goaltenders, those that can draft and develop them well, etc. Base it on both quality and quantity.

IMO, lately: Vancouver (homer vote), Nashville, Montreal, Buffalo, Washington, Anaheim, and LA are all great goalie factories.

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02-20-2013, 12:52 AM
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Nashville or Montreal for me, probably Nashville, even though I like Price more than Pekka. Queue the "systems" ******** also, please.

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02-20-2013, 01:07 AM
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Voted Nashville, ahead of Anaheim, San Jose, and Washington.

Considering names like:

Dan Ellis
Mike Dunham
Chris Mason
Tomas Vokoun
Pekka Rinne
Anders Lindback

All were Predators.

If you want, you can dig deeper and get highly touted prospects like Brian Finley and Eric Fichaud who simply suffocated in the depth of the organization.

There's also a couple months of Michael Leighton, between being picked up on waivers and given up to Philly on waivers he played one game for Nashville.

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02-20-2013, 01:10 AM
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Habs : Dryden, Roy, Plante...

More recently : Theodore, Price, Halak, Huet... Not bad.

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02-20-2013, 01:49 AM
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02-20-2013, 02:01 AM
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Deffs habs...we have 3 starters in the league right now and had 4 at one point before Huet crashed and burned to the ground.

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has to be Nashville.

-Started out with Tomas Vokoun, developed him into one of the ~10 best goalies in the league.
-Decided he was too expensive, traded him to Florida for first round pick. Replaced him with Chris Mason, who placed 2nd in the league in save%.
-Mason didn't have a great following year. Replaced him with Dan Ellis, who placed 1st in the league in save%.
-Decided Ellis isn't a long term solution. Replaced him with Pekka Rinne, 7th round pick, who is annual Vezina candidate.
-Back up Rinne with Anders Lindback, 6'6 butterfly extraordinaire, before deciding Lindback (another 7th round pick) is worth two second-round and one third-round pick.

I don't know who Nashville's goalie prospects are, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of them become starting goalies for other NHL franchises.

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02-20-2013, 02:27 AM
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Basically what team has a good history of goaltenders, those that can draft and develop them well, etc. Base it on both quality and quantity.

IMO, lately: Vancouver (homer vote), Nashville, Montreal, Buffalo, Washington, Anaheim, and LA are all great goalie factories.
What?

How?

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What?

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He must be a big Kirk McLean fan.

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Deffs habs...we have 3 starters in the league right now and had 4 at one point before Huet crashed and burned to the ground.
5 if you count Vokoun when he was a starter.

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02-20-2013, 03:28 AM
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Minnesota gets really underrated:

Dwayne Roloson
Manny Fernandez
Niklas Backstrom
Josh Harding
Anton Khudobin
Johan Holmqvist

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Minnesota gets really underrated:

Dwayne Roloson
Manny Fernandez
Niklas Backstrom
Josh Harding
Anton Khudobin
Johan Holmqvist
Only Harding and Khudobin were drafted by Minnesota. The rest were acquired by trade or free agency. Khudobin has played 10 games in the NHL... Holmqvist only played for their AHL affialiate and he wasnt really good anyways.

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What?

How?
McLean was really exciting to watch growing up. I'm really high on Schneider (time will tell if he remains a top goalie) and I think Lack will become a capable backup and eventually a starter for another team in a few years (even though we signed him as a FA, we still have been responsible for most his development). I think Van is about on par with Washington for recent goalies, just a bit behind in experience and age. Luongo is also obviously amazing and even though we didn't draft him, I think he's improved a lot and is playing some of his best, most consistent hockey lately.

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Only Harding and Khudobin were drafted by Minnesota. The rest were acquired by trade or free agency. Khudobin has played 10 games in the NHL... Holmqvist only played for their AHL affialiate and he wasnt really good anyways.
By this logic Montreal didn't develop Ken Dryden.



Who drafts a player does't always mean that club developed him... IMO, Dryden doesn't turn out to be the same goalie if he stays in Boston.

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McLean was really exciting to watch growing up. I'm really high on Schneider (time will tell if he remains a top goalie) and I think Lack will become a capable backup and eventually a starter for another team in a few years (even though we signed him as a FA, we still have been responsible for most his development). I think Van is about on par with Washington for recent goalies, just a bit behind in experience and age. Luongo is also obviously amazing and even though we didn't draft him, I think he's improved a lot and is playing some of his best, most consistent hockey lately.
Vancouver shouldnt get any credit for Luongo. Drafted by the Islanders, developed by Florida and traded to Vanncouver.

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By this logic Montreal didn't develop Ken Dryden.

Who drafts a player does't always mean that club developed him... IMO, Dryden doesn't turn out to be the same goalie if he stays in Boston.
Dryden was drafted by Boston and then traded on the same day. You might as well just say he was drafted by Montreal.

The best goalie Minnesota drafted and developed is Harding and he's not even a #1 Goalie. Did they really develop Fernandez? Even if you say they did the best he turned into was a good goalie in a platoon/timeshare. So Minnesota really isnt a good choice here.


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The best goalie Minnesota drafted and developed is Harding and he's not even a #1 Goalie. Did they really develop Fernandez? Even if you say they did the best he came was a good goalie in a platoon/timeshare. So Minnesota really isnt a good choice here.
Nashville isn't either as they've had what? Rinne and Lindback drafted by them.

Dan Ellis (came from Dallas)
Mike Dunham (drafted by Devils in 1990, played for them)
Chris Mason (drafted in 95 by the Devils, played in the AHL for them before moving to Nashville)
Tomas Vokoun (came from the Canadians and played in their AHL team for a long, long time)


Minnesota has had:

Manny Fernandez
Dwayne Roloson

I'll discount Holmqvist only because I thought he had a few more years with the Aeros than I thought.

They had

Niklas Backstrom (undrafted but their starter for years)
Josh Harding (drafted backup, good thing he didn't start sadly )
Anton Khudobin (drafted backup now)

Come directly from their organization. They have a pretty stable crop of goaltenders in the past 12 years with Roloson/Fernandez platooning them for a while, Fernandez starting and Backstrom taking over. Harding has been a reliable backup for years.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to Hackett and Kuemper, both have looked solid in their starts because the Wild haven't needed to look for a young goaltender as they have taken journeymen and made them into solid starters.

To me, why Minnesota should be mentioned is simply Dwayne Roloson. Before Minnesota he was a backup at best. He did terrible in Calgary and in Buffalo. Works with Mason our goaltending coach and becomes a starter. Never posts a sub .900 save percent until the end of his career.

The other fact is this. Minnesota has had a relatively stable crop of goaltenders. Three actually in the past 12 years. All three of their goaltenders were backups and they became starters. That continuity has really helped the organization. Roloson/Fernandez/Backstrom. Three in 12 years. We've had four goaltenders (minus injuries and other ailments) for about ten years.

Look at Vancouver:

Since 2002:
Dan Cloutier
Peter Skudra
Johan Hedberg
Alex Auld
Robert Luongo
Curtis Sanford
Andrew Raycroft
Corney Schneider

Since 2002 for Minnesota:
Dwayne Roloson
Manny Fernandez
Josh Harding
Nicklas Backstrom
Jose Theodore

That's it.


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Preds. Let's just say that the goalie coach Mitch Korn is a god.

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Going with Preds here. Montreal deserves a mention.

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I'm going to have to homer vote the Habs here. How many teams RIGHT NOW feature a goalie on their roster that was developed by the Habs?

Montreal - Price (let's just get that out of the way)
St. Louis - Halak
Florida - Theodore
Pittsburgh - Vokoun (will let the Preds split credit on that one, as they eventually gave him the opportunity AND Mitch Korn to work with)
Tampa Bay - Garon
Edmonton - Danis

That's 1/5 of the league. And considering Montreal provided Roy and Huet at the top of their games to Colorado and Chicago, respectively (and still relatively recently - past 15-20 years), that's a track record I think any other team would be hard-pressed to match. Was inclined to add Thibault, too, who first became a starter in a Habs jersey, but perhaps he doesn't quite qualify. Still... that's a lot of good goaltending they've provided the league over the past 15 years or so.

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Call me a homer if you want but IMHO it's Montreal and the Preds being a close 2nd

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Vancouver?

LOL Other than Schnieder they have developed 0 NHL starters in the last 15 years. Granted they haven't had the oppurtunity to develop anyone due to Luongo being the starter.

But prior to that Vancouver had guys with lots of potential who never amounted to anything.

My vote is for Nashville.

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Deffs habs...we have 3 starters in the league right now and had 4 at one point before Huet crashed and burned to the ground.
Huet wasn't developed in the Habs system. He was 26 when the Kings drafted him. He wasn't playing for the Habs until he was 28.

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