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How far do the Toronto Maple Leafs Go?

View Poll Results: How far do the Leafs Go?
Miss Playoffs 189 45.43%
First Round Defeat 138 33.17%
Second Round Defeat 42 10.10%
Third Round Defeat 5 1.20%
Finals Defeat 5 1.20%
Stanley Cup Champs 37 8.89%
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02-23-2013, 02:11 PM
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Exactly. Neither of them has even started 10 games this year.
Point?

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02-23-2013, 02:17 PM
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Scrivens - 10GP 19GA 2.10 GAA .931 PCT 2 SO
Reimer - 10GP 20GA 2.31 GAA .929 PCT 1 SO
I said started. Both have them have started 9 games.

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Point?
You can't really make any significant conclusions about how good they are based off of such a small sample size.

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02-23-2013, 02:22 PM
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I said started. Both have them have started 9 games.



You can't really make any significant conclusions about how good they are based off of such a small sample size.
Scrivens stopped 20 of 20 shots in the 10th game that he didn't start.

Once they start 10 games, I assume you're number moves up to 11 right?

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02-23-2013, 02:31 PM
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Scrivens stopped 20 of 20 shots in the 10th game that he didn't start.

Once they start 10 games, I assume you're number moves up to 11 right?
Fact is they won't keep up the numbers they've been posting, they're not top 10 goalies.

Scrivens has only played 22 games in his career and Reimer hasn't even started half a season for a team yet. Calm down before you declare them #1 goalies.

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02-23-2013, 02:52 PM
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Fact is they won't keep up the numbers they've been posting, they're not top 10 goalies.

Scrivens has only played 22 games in his career and Reimer hasn't even started half a season for a team yet. Calm down before you declare them #1 goalies.
I declare James Reimer and his career .913/2.77 line (80 games) a #1 goalie.

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02-23-2013, 03:09 PM
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Miss the playoffs. Everything about that team is meh. The organization doesn't have a #1 C, #1 D, or a #1 goalie.
Actually those are the 3 things the Senators don't have at this moment if we are going to be honest


I think Conference Finals against the Bruins in which we lose in 6. Just feels right for some reason

Pretty sure the Leafs defense has been playing playoff style the whole year, which means they don't need to tighten their game like some other teams

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02-23-2013, 03:31 PM
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Small sample size, expect them to play at 3.00/.860 levels for the rest of the year.

I MEAN THEY JUST CAN'T KEEP IT UP RIGHT? IMPOSSIBLE
LOL I was thinking the same thing.

Obviously, keeping it up at that high of a level might be a bit difficult and unlikely, but I highly doubt we're going to see them crash and burn completely and just start giving sub .900 goaltending out of nowhere.

Anything between .912-.925 is good enough.

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02-23-2013, 03:38 PM
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I declare James Reimer and his career .913/2.77 line (80 games) a #1 goalie.
Then you're just being a homer.

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02-23-2013, 03:40 PM
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WAY too small of a sample size to declare that. Montreal still has a huge advantage over the Leafs in goaltending. Carey Price can almost single handedly carry a team, neither Reimer or Scrivens have proven they can do that.
I don't think the implication was that either of the Leafs goalies are equal to Price, just that the Leafs actually having competent goaltending evens the playing field for the first time in a while.

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02-23-2013, 03:40 PM
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How far do the Maple Leafs go?

I think that depends on which city the next game is in

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02-23-2013, 03:48 PM
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I'll give it a week until they're out of a playoff position, which they won't regain


But it's OK.

My crystal ball also gets cloudy from time to time.

I have to admit that I'm impressed by them so far.

Even more impressed than I was in January of last year.


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02-23-2013, 03:54 PM
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Then you're just being a homer.
Why? The only time he hasn't been a terrific goalie was when he was recovering from concussion/whiplash symptoms.

Is Jonas Hiller a #1 goalie?

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there was a conditional pick eirher a 4th or 6th rounder going to toronto as well
Wasn't it conditional?

Has the condition been met?

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This might be the worst post of them all.

Are you really going to assess Carlyle as a coach on a team that just fired it's previous coach?

By the time he was hired there was zero chance at the playoffs and the players confidence was beyond shattered.

The last time they had such a bad stretch as the one last year was sometime in 96-97.

Carlyle was hired to start instilling his system into his team and figure out who he wanted on the team, and who needed to be shipped...so the players going into this season would know exactly what to expect with him.

They did a much better job than the Habs did in that sense. Habs fired Martin, then hired Cunneyworth as interim (everyone and their great grandmothers knew he wasn't going to last even if the Habs were suddenly good under him).
Good on you to take my post out of context.

The post I quoted stated that you could see the guys buying into Carlisle's system last year.

I just pointed out that it wasn't reflected by the results.

If that post had contained what you wrote ("By the time he was hired there was zero chance at the playoffs and the players confidence was beyond shattered."), it would have been a much better argument.

As it was, it wasn't.

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Why? The only time he hasn't been a terrific goalie was when he was recovering from concussion/whiplash symptoms.

Is Jonas Hiller a #1 goalie?
Because he hasn't proven enough to be a #1 goalie.

Yea, why would you choose him as a comparison though? He has better stats than Reimer in almost 200 more games played.

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Depends on what kind of goaltending they get. Right now they're a borderline playoff team that would be hard pressed to make it out of the first round.
Pretty much this

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It doesn't matter. You can cut and paste what appears in your browser.
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Thanks, but if I put it in the quotes, it'll just be a whole bunch of quotes with no context. Here's the link

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...rielly&page=38

LD Morgan Rielly - Moose Jaw Warriors, WHL (2012 Draft)
Post #950 is where sharks9 basically hijacks the thread (exaggerating a bit) and makes it mostly about Rielly vs Galchenyuk and that Leaf fans homerism is making Rielly better than he is. (Although I am aware there is an initial post that starts him off on this rant.)

I don't mean to vere off topic here, I just didn't know if anyone would be interested.
Meaninful discussion should always be interesting.

And by the way, you did exactly what I suggested, that is copy (and not cut, shame on me) and paste what appeared in your browser.

Glad to be of help.

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Lol what did I say that was wrong? One poster said Rielly was more consistent than Galchenyuk, clearly the stats showed he had been inconsistent offensively.
But at least he was honest enough to admit that you were goaded in posting what you did.


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Then you're just being a homer.
What should we go by to best describe Reimer as a goaltender in this league? The first year when he played really well caught the attention of the league. The second year when he is coming off of a concussion and didn't do too well or the third year when he's playing like a top 10 goalie.

I guess from your point of view we should pick the concussion Reimer where he didn't do so well. Apparently that is the real Reimer and the rest of the representations are just pure dumb luck.

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I can't tell if you're a troll or just ignorant.

Leafs have never been good starters outside of last season. They usually play poorly the first half then pick it up in the last half when the pressure's off.

(...)
It is a smaller sample, but they started 4-0-1 in 2010-2011 and, for a similar sample, 11-5-3 in 2006-2007 and 12-7-2 in 2005-2006.

So, he's not an ignorant. But you're right that they don't ALWAYS start good.

I'll let the mods decide (which you could have done ) if he's a troll.

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Problem is people are still thinking this team is circa 2005 or something, when we'd go out and pick up veterans every trade deadline and make a push. It's completely different now.

Name me a major player on the Leafs NOW that is a scrap.
I tried to resist, but that door is wide open.

Is a $4.5M cap player a major one?

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I tried to resist, but that door is wide open.

Is a $4.5M cap player a major one?
Hasn't played since the 3rd game of the year iirc

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What should we go by to best describe Reimer as a goaltender in this league? The first year when he played really well caught the attention of the league. The second year when he is coming off of a concussion and didn't do too well or the third year when he's playing like a top 10 goalie.

I guess from your point of view we should pick the concussion Reimer where he didn't do so well. Apparently that is the real Reimer and the rest of the representations are just pure dumb luck.
Wait until he's actually proven that he can be a legit #1. Up until now in his career he's been splitting starts and hasn't actually been able to take the #1 job for himself. Until he does that I wouldn't consider him a #1 goalie.

The representations are pretty similar in terms of games played. That's why you should wait longer before declaring him a #1.

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Hasn't played since the 3rd game of the year iirc
Which is exactly my point.

Isn't he a major player who's a scrap?

A $4.5 cap hit who has spent 14 out of 18 games in the press box?

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Wait until he's actually proven that he can be a legit #1. Up until now in his career he's been splitting starts and hasn't actually been able to take the #1 job for himself. Until he does that I wouldn't consider him a #1 goalie.

The representations are pretty similar in terms of games played. That's why you should wait longer before declaring him a #1.
Bull ****. He is our number 1 goalie. He did take the number one job for himself. The only reason Scrivens has as many starts as he does is because Reimer got a minor injury and due to a compressed schedule, Scrivens has played way more games than he normally would had Reimer been healthy these past couple of weeks and this was a normal season.


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