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2001 redraft #3

View Poll Results: Redraft 2001 #3 spot
Jason Pominville 12 8.39%
Ales Hemsky 5 3.50%
Mike Cammalleri 0 0%
Derek Roy 0 0%
Patrick Sharp 35 24.48%
Stephan Weiss 3 2.10%
Tomas Plekanec 5 3.50%
Mikko Koivu 83 58.04%
Ryane Clowe 0 0%
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02-18-2013, 01:18 AM
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2001 redraft #3

We know Kovalchuk and Spezza are 1 and 2 respectively but who would YOU take with the third overall pick if we did a 2001 redraft?

Choices:

Jason Pominville
Ales Hemsky
Mike Cammalleri
Derek Roy
Patrick Sharp
Stephen Weiss
Tomas Plekanec
Mikko Koivu
Ryane Clowe

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Mikko Koivu barely over Patrick Sharp, nobody else is close

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02-18-2013, 02:57 AM
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Koivu
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Koivu then Sharp. Pominville gets consideration but it came down to those 2 for me.

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Pretty much Koivu all the way. Pominville and Sharp are the next.

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Mikko Koivu barely over Patrick Sharp, nobody else is close
No one else is close? That's funny because Pominville is better then both.

Patrick Sharp = 56p/82gp
Mikko Koivu = 61p/82gp
Jason Pominville = 66p/82gp

So offensively Pominville is clearly superior to both. Defensively all 3 are very good but none are head and shoulders better then the others. Pominville is a proven two way 1st line RW. All 3 are close to each other overall but saying that nobody (Pominville) isn't even close to Sharp or Koivu is a pure myth, considering Pominville is easily better offensively then both and defensively just as good as those two.

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Stats are facts as to who is better, right?

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No one else is close? That's funny because Pominville is better then both.

Patrick Sharp = 56p/82gp
Mikko Koivu = 61p/82gp
Jason Pominville = 66p/82gp

So offensively Pominville is clearly superior to both. Defensively all 3 are very good but none are head and shoulders better then the others. Pominville is a proven two way 1st line RW. All 3 are close to each other overall but saying that nobody (Pominville) isn't even close to Sharp or Koivu is a pure myth, considering Pominville is easily better offensively then both and defensively just as good as those two.
Five more points points than Koivu. IMPRESSIVE TOTAL DOMINATION!

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Can't vote, but Pominville and maybe even Sharp come before Koivu for me.

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Pominville is the best of the lot. Should'nt have kept Kovalchuk and Spezza out either.

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No one else is close? That's funny because Pominville is better then both.

Patrick Sharp = 56p/82gp
Mikko Koivu = 61p/82gp
Jason Pominville = 66p/82gp

So offensively Pominville is clearly superior to both. Defensively all 3 are very good but none are head and shoulders better then the others. Pominville is a proven two way 1st line RW. All 3 are close to each other overall but saying that nobody (Pominville) isn't even close to Sharp or Koivu is a pure myth, considering Pominville is easily better offensively then both and defensively just as good as those two.
From what I've seen, Koivu and Sharp are significantly better than Pominville in defensive play.

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Pominville is the best of the lot. Should'nt have kept Kovalchuk and Spezza out either.
Didn't read the op obviously

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No one else is close? That's funny because Pominville is better then both.

Patrick Sharp = 56p/82gp
Mikko Koivu = 61p/82gp
Jason Pominville = 66p/82gp

So offensively Pominville is clearly superior to both. Defensively all 3 are very good but none are head and shoulders better then the others. Pominville is a proven two way 1st line RW. All 3 are close to each other overall but saying that nobody (Pominville) isn't even close to Sharp or Koivu is a pure myth, considering Pominville is easily better offensively then both and defensively just as good as those two.
Here's their stats over the past 3 seasons + the start of the 2013 season:

Patrick Sharp - 219Pts, 245GP, 95G | PpG = 0.893 | GpG = 0.387 | x 82GP = 31G, 73Pts

Jason Pominville - 201Pts, 253GP, 82G | PpG = 0.794 | GpG = 0.324 | x 82GP = 26G, 65Pts

Mikko Koivu - 189Pts, 221GP, 54G | PpG = 0855 | GpG = 0.244 | x 82GP = 20G, 70Pts

Sharp's been producing at the highest rate, but Koivu is the best offensive player of the bunch. There's little doubt, however, that Sharp is the best goal-scorer. So, Pominville is producing the least and both Koivu and Sharp play above-average defense, with Koivu also being the best defensive player.

Saying it's not close between Sharp and Koivu wasn't accurate, but it is Koivu then Sharp then Pominville.

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Weiss or Koivu.

Went Weiss.

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Here's their stats over the past 3 seasons + the start of the 2013 season:



Sharp's been producing at the highest rate, but Koivu is the best offensive player of the bunch. There's little doubt, however, that Sharp is the best goal-scorer. So, Pominville is producing the least and both Koivu and Sharp play above-average defense, with Koivu also being the best defensive player.

Saying it's not close between Sharp and Koivu wasn't accurate, but it is Koivu then Sharp then Pominville.
You can pinpoint certain years for all 3, but I instead look at full careers instead of cherry picking when to start keeping track.You didn't decide to use the past 3 years and this season for Sharp because he only had 44 points 4 seasons ago did you?

At the end of the day, Pominville has more 60+ point seasons then either Sharp or Koivu, plays in the defensive end just as well as those 2 and has a higher career PPG then either. Pominville is also the only one of the three to score 80+ points. Also the only one to score 70+ points more then once, not to mention Pominville has 6 seasons of 50+ points while both Koivu and Sharp have only 4. I'm not saying Poms is far better then the other two, I'm merely just saying he is on the same exact level and is arguably even better considering he has proven to be better offensively and that he is also very good in his own end.Sharp and/or Koivu may even be slightly better, I mainly just wanted to vehemently disagree that it was Koivu or Sharp and that no one else was even close when that was just completely untrue.

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From what I've seen, Koivu and Sharp are significantly better than Pominville in defensive play.
How so? Pominville has led the Sabres in SHTOI the past two years and will probably be in first again this season. He has taken 30 or less Pim in every single season, which is remarkable. He is also the Sabres most complete forward. Wishful thinking that Koivu and Sharp are "significantly" better defensively, because as every Sabre fan will tell you is that Pominville is a very complete forward who can be depended on playing in every situation.Pominville is one of the best two way RWs in the whole league. One of the most underrated forwards in the league.

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You can pinpoint certain years for all 3, but I instead look at full careers instead of cherry picking when to start keeping track.You didn't decide to use the past 3 years and this season for Sharp because he only had 44 points 4 seasons ago did you?
44 points in 61 games; on pace for 60 points and 34 goals over 82 games. The year before, he had his best goal-scoring season (36 goals) and 62 points in 80 games. I chose 3 seasons + the begining of this year because all three players are in their primes and it covers most of their prime seasons to date.

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At the end of the day, Pominville has more 60+ point seasons then either Sharp or Koivu, plays in the defensive end just as well as those 2 and has a higher career PPG then either. Pominville is also the only one of the three to score 80+ points. Also the only one to score 70+ points more then once, not to mention Pominville has 6 seasons of 50+ points while both Koivu and Sharp have only 4. I'm not saying Poms is far better then the other two, I'm merely just saying he is on the same exact level and is arguably even better considering he has proven to be better offensively and that he is also very good in his own end.Sharp and/or Koivu may even be slightly better, I mainly just wanted to vehemently disagree that it was Koivu or Sharp and that no one else was even close when that was just completely untrue.
Sharp had 71 points in 74 games in 2010-11 and 69 points in 74 games last year. There's no chance Sharp doesn't score 1 point in the 13 games he missed last year.

Pominville hasn't proven to be better than Sharp or Koivu offensively. IMO Mikko Koivu is the best offensive player of the bunch, no matter what the stats say. All you can draw from the stats is that Pominville reached his peak sooner than Sharp, but Sharp's peak has been as good or better than Pominville's and he's far and away the best goal-scorer of the bunch.

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Didn't read the op obviously
O RLY? I meant that Pominville was top of the lot, including Spezza and Kovalchuk. But then again i ALWAYS say Pominville obviously, he's like a hockey trivia universal answer. RLY.


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I'd take Pominville.

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Koivu with Pominville and then Sharp

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Stats over career:

Jason P- .8 PPG while being the captain and our best defensive forward. Had a high of 80 pts in 82 games a few years ago.

Patrick Sharp- .68 PPG on a stacked team. Average defensively. High of 71 pts in 74 games.

Mikko (Most overated player on these boards) Koivu- .74 PPG with again average defense. High of 71 pts in 80 games.

Judging my stats Its Jason Pommers AINEC really...

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I'd take Pominville.
That's it alfie fan, you know what happened during that dark spring night 2006. You know.

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