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Tavares vs. Crosby

View Poll Results: If Tavares played for Pittsburgh would he be a 115 Pt guy?
Yes 11 8.27%
No 104 78.20%
Possibly 18 13.53%
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02-18-2013, 10:16 AM
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I voted yes.

JT is a great player and if he got some PP time with Crosby or Malkin his numbers would go through the roof
he wouldn't be playing with Crosby though since he is replacing him in this hypothetical situation, he would probably be with Kunitz and Cooke which I don't dont even think is an upgrade

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02-18-2013, 10:24 AM
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Not even close. How exactly would he put up more points playing with Kunitz and Dupuis?

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02-18-2013, 10:33 AM
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This stuff is crazy. Crosby plays with Dupuis and Kunitz.

Crosby is the best forward in the world. Period.

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02-18-2013, 10:46 AM
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Not even close. How exactly would he put up more points playing with Kunitz and Dupuis?
Exactly. The better question would be "How many more points would Crosby have if he got to play with Moulson instead of Kunitz and Dupuis?".

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02-18-2013, 11:23 AM
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Malkin did not put up 115 points getting to play at being Crosby last year and I do think Tavares is truly great without putting up 115, so really what I feel I am being asked here is, whether I believe that Pittsburgh is a magical fairy land where new points total = old points total + 40 or more applies and the honest answer is no.

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02-18-2013, 12:07 PM
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People who voted yes do realize Crosby's wingers are Pascal Dupuis and Chris Kunitz, right?

Think about that for a minute. People voting yes are essentially saying that Dupuis and Kunitz are going to help Tavares score 115 points, despite the fact Tavares' career high is only 81 points.

They're not the kind of wingers that would help a player jump 34 points over their career high.

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02-18-2013, 12:14 PM
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Crosby is far from having elite wingers with Kunitz and Dupuis

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02-18-2013, 12:16 PM
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Crosby is proving himself to be one of the best all-time. Tavares is a great player with elite vision etc, but he is not Sidney Crosby.

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02-18-2013, 04:03 PM
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if tavares played on the penguins with crosby on crosby's line he would be a 130 point player, if he was 3rd line center he would put up 55ish points in a full season if crosby was removed from the team and he was 2nd line center he would be a 90 point scorer
No he wouldn't.

Let's say Tavares scores 130, and Crosby scores 150, that's very improbable on its own. Then you factor in a linemate who couldn't help but rack up points just by being there. Say Kunitz plays with them and picks up similar numbers to what he did with Neal and Malkin last season, you're looking at around 340 points on a single line. That's just not something that's going to happen.

I can't see anyone scoring 130 unless something changes drastically about the league itself.

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02-18-2013, 04:08 PM
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No, he wouldn't. Tavares is good, but Crosby is the best in the world.

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Johnny is Great and I love him but Crosby is a freak and the best player in the world.....

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LOL at this thread...

Go look at the year Crosby put up 120pts, look at his wingers. The guy is a points machine regardless of who his wingers are. Give Crosby Tavares' wingers and he's still going to put up big numbers. It's just how good Crosby is, Tavares is not as good as Crosby. Crosby was already this damn good in his 1st 2yrs in the NHL, Tavares hasn't even hit 100pts yet and he's 4yrs in.

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No he wouldn't.

Let's say Tavares scores 130, and Crosby scores 150, that's very improbable on its own. Then you factor in a linemate who couldn't help but rack up points just by being there. Say Kunitz plays with them and picks up similar numbers to what he did with Neal and Malkin last season, you're looking at around 340 points on a single line. That's just not something that's going to happen.

I can't see anyone scoring 130 unless something changes drastically about the league itself.
The only guy that can crack 130pts in this league, is Crosby. Now that he's back to being his good ol' self, healthy and dominating, he could do it. He's hit 120pts before, so there's proof he could hit something close to that.

Most Tavares has done is 81pts. He's damn good too, but Crosby is a generational talent. Tavares isn't, as good as he is.

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Not even close. How exactly would he put up more points playing with Kunitz and Dupuis?
Moulson & Parenteau were better point producers than Kunitz & Dupuis. Parenteau has come into his own, a very late bloomer, the guy is putting up solid points away from the Isles as well and Moulson has come into his own with the Isles.

Crosby probably would do more damage with those two than Tavares has managed to. Not a slight to Tavares at all though. The skill levels between the two is just worlds apart.

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Crosby and Malkin are 2 of the few players better than Tavares.

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Tavares has more goals than assists because of a subpar RW.

Crosby averages an assist per game despite a subpar RW.

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John Tavares is quickly becoming overrated. He's a damn good player but he doesn't come anywhere close to belonging in the same discussion as the most elite players.

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Why do people think Crosby's wingers are not-terrible?

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Tavares would be around 90-95.

Kunitz and Dupuis are both very underrated around here.

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Tavares would be around 90-95.

Kunitz and Dupuis are both very underrated around here.
Crosby on the Islanders would probably be 30-40 points ahead of Tavares every year.

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Tavares would get 30 more points on a line with arguably worse wingers? I dont think so.

Tavares is a very good player but he is getting to be overrated on here.

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02-18-2013, 07:32 PM
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No.
Moulson > Dupuis ainec

I don't remeber who Crosby has as a RW but I'm sure it's not Neal so:

Boyes > whoever is Crosby's RW


Conclusion: Both are elite players that make average players better but Tavares plays with better linemates so no. He'd be PPG player though.

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Moulson > Dupuis ainec

I don't remeber who Crosby has as a RW but I'm sure it's not Neal so:

Boyes > whoever is Crosby's RW



Conclusion: Both are elite players that make average players better but Tavares plays with better linemates so no. He'd be PPG player though.
I'd definitely take Kunitz over Boyes.

It isn't so much that Kunitz and Dupuis are terrible, because they aren't, but they aren't going to help Tavares score an extra 20-30 points per season.

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I'd definitely take Kunitz over Boyes.

It isn't so much that Kunitz and Dupuis are terrible, because they aren't, but they aren't going to help Tavares score an extra 20-30 points per season.
My bad. I thought Kunitz played with Malkin.

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My bad. I thought Kunitz played with Malkin.
Nah, Malkin plays with Neal and whatever name Bylsma pulls out of a hat. Every single player that's been auditioned on that line has combined for 1 point all season.

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