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02-16-2013, 03:59 PM
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Centers. Does anyone realize....

That at the moment we have the 12th and 16th highest scoring centers in the league? So it would be perfectly accurate to say that we have two top-20 centers at the moment, and they're both young. I like this.

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You could say we have two top 20 centers in scoring at the moment through 15 games, but we don't have one top 20 center at the moment imo. They aren't good enough defensively to be considered top centers. To me, your top center has to be good both ways or be exceptionally good offensively (stamkos).

I do feel really good about Hodgson though.


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02-16-2013, 04:21 PM
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Ennis is the second coming

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Two top-20 offensive centers, this year? Sure. All-around I'd say we have 0 in any given year. Maybe Hodgson gets there next year.

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Ennis is the second coming
Not sure if serious or trolling people who think ennis is that good...
And our center situation is still not that good although I think Hodgson is on the path to becoming a good #1. Ennis, not so much. I really don't see him as a viable, long term solution as the 2nd guy, either. He's just such a defensive liability. I'd prefer we get another guy who can be the 2nd line center/take tough defensive minutes so ennis can either center a 3rd scoring line or move back to top 6 as a winger


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Isn't that where Darcy got in trouble with his "two top-20 centers comment?" I believe he relied on PPG to rationalize it.

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Isn't that where Darcy got in trouble with his "two top-20 centers comment?" I believe he relied on PPG to rationalize it.
Yeah I seem to recall something along those lines...in addition to our elite defense quote from Quinn...

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02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
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You could say we have two top 20 centers in scoring at the moment through 15 games, but we don't have one top 20 center at the moment imo. They aren't good enough defensively to be considered top centers. To me, your top center has to be good both ways or be exceptionally good offensively.

I do feel really good about Hodgson though.
Agreed

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Production,Roy was always in the top 20 among centers, of course Hodgson is only in his second year, so we can still hope for more.

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Production,Roy was always in the top 20 among centers, of course Hodgson is only in his second year, so we can still hope for more.
Roy was also defensively responsible, too. He didn't have the best attitude, but he was a solid, 70-point 1B center in this league. The problem was that the Sabres never had the 2A center necessary to provide depth down the middle. Oh Connolly...

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I just wish our centers were a little more Ott-ish, at least one of the bottom centers. I feel lacking.

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Ennis hasn't been getting much love here lately (I get it, he's a small one-way player, not the "kind of player you win with," etc.), but he's by FAR the most productive player we have outside of VHP. He's been doing a commendable job this year in a secondary scoring role where he's no longer getting easy match-ups.

That said, he still stinks defensively, and Hodgson has a ways to go in that regard too. I don't think either is truly a top 20 center in the league right now. But I'm happy with how both have performed so far this year, and I have really high hopes for Hodgson in particular in the future.

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02-16-2013, 07:14 PM
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Briere was a defensive liability and everyone loved him, not sure why ennis gets so much hate. If he produces who cares

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Remember guys like Kesler/Spezza have been hurt. But defense does have to factor in somewhat.

It's good to see our young centers produce, that's for sure.

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Ennis being a sinkhole defensively is a myth. He'll never be a selke candidate, but he's not nearly as bad as people make it out.

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Isn't that where Darcy got in trouble with his "two top-20 centers comment?" I believe he relied on PPG to rationalize it.
Yes, with Connolly and Roy. People wanted Connolly gone at that point too.

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Ennis being a sinkhole defensively is a myth. He'll never be a selke candidate, but he's not nearly as bad as people make it out.
I agree. I don't know where this is coming from.

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02-16-2013, 07:44 PM
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Ennis being a sinkhole defensively is a myth. He'll never be a selke candidate, but he's not nearly as bad as people make it out.
Ya, he's below average but definitely not as bad as people on here make him out to be

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02-16-2013, 07:45 PM
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Briere was a defensive liability and everyone loved him, not sure why ennis gets so much hate. If he produces who cares
Briere was also producing at more than a PPG for us, can't really complain about defense when you're putting up elite numbers.

I do agree that the Ennis hate is unwarranted though, he's doing exactly what he was drafted to do. Blame Darcy for not acquiring a center that we can count on defensively, Ennis is more suited as a winger IMO, even though he has produced quite well as a center. No one should be complaining about Ennis' game so far though, he's been the most productive player outside of the top line.

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Ya, he's below average but definitely not as bad as people on here make him out to be
I wouldn't call him below average. He takes the puck away and gets it out a lot. Almost all of his lines zone time comes because he skates the puck out of the Sabres end.

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I don't know where anyone on this forum is reading most of the comments regarding Ennis, and then being intellectually honest with yourself, you come to the logical conclusion that there's actual honest to god "hate" for him.




I've seen critical judgements, or opinions. I've seen facts. I've seen predictions of his future. I've seen trade proposals.

I can't seem to find enough hateful comments to count on one hand regarding Ennis overall as a Sabre. Little snide comments during games is just knee jerk snap observations. Not overall hatred for the guy

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02-17-2013, 02:07 AM
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Hodgson is tied for 4th in the league (any position) with 13 even strength points.

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Right now we have one top 20 center mainly because of his linemates, and one top 20 winger who's currently playing center out of necessity. Hodgson has potential to stay top 20 for his career, but Ennis should go back to the wing when other centers are on the roster.

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And we have a third center that is currently playing at a PPG pace. Way to go Leino!

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