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02-19-2013, 03:37 PM
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02-20-2013, 06:00 AM
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There will be a price to pay for the other team even in a loss. Like it.

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02-20-2013, 01:27 PM
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The team is what Burke promised in 2009
to all you Burkie lovers, lets see, Connolly 10M, Liles 17M, Komasarek 25M, Lombardi 6M, over 50 million $ burned away. Carlyle and Nonis are doing much better with less. Just a reminder that Reimer, Frattin, Gunnarsson, Komarov, Kulemin were drafted by JFJ. Where are Burkies draft picks after 4 years, lets see, Kadri and ............?

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02-20-2013, 04:25 PM
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to all you Burkie lovers, lets see, Connolly 10M, Liles 17M, Komasarek 25M, Lombardi 6M, over 50 million $ burned away. Carlyle and Nonis are doing much better with less. Just a reminder that Reimer, Frattin, Gunnarsson, Komarov, Kulemin were drafted by JFJ. Where are Burkies draft picks after 4 years, lets see, Kadri and ............?
1. Those guys were drafted by our scouts, not JFJ.
2. Those guys took many, many years to develop. Why aren't you giving Burke the same amount of time?
3. Those guys were ridiculed constantly by the media and guys on here, and Burke was bashed for keeping faith in them. Burke deserves credit for hanging onto them and developing them properly.
4. It is too early for most of Burke's draft picks to be in the NHL yet, so it is not comparable.
5. Connolly, Liles, and Komisarek were signed to bridge the gap between nothing and our prospects maturing, since we had nothing when Burke came in. None of them hurt this team, and the development time greatly helped our prospects.
6. Lombardi was brought in as a cap dump in order to receive a free young top-4 D who has 9 points in 14 games so far this season.
7. Nonis has not even had a free-agent period. How can you compare them?
8. Burke put in work to bring Komarov over to this team.
9. The "less" that Carlyle is utilizing were brought in by Burke.
10. Kadri, his first draft pick, looks amazing.

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02-20-2013, 04:32 PM
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to all you Burkie lovers, lets see, Connolly 10M, Liles 17M, Komasarek 25M, Lombardi 6M, over 50 million $ burned away. Carlyle and Nonis are doing much better with less. Just a reminder that Reimer, Frattin, Gunnarsson, Komarov, Kulemin were drafted by JFJ. Where are Burkies draft picks after 4 years, lets see, Kadri and ............?
are you for real?

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02-20-2013, 04:36 PM
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I think the best way I can put it is a team that plays for one another and stands up for one another. Not only that, but a team where you may walk out with 2 points, but those two points aren't going to be easy to take, and you'll pay the price for it.

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02-20-2013, 05:04 PM
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It's a meritocracy.

This is something that Burke and Wilson clearly did not understand the meaning of. Well, it's really quite simple: if a replacement player can perform better than a regular at a specific task/role, he will be the one playing. Period.

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02-20-2013, 05:08 PM
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to all you Burkie lovers, lets see, Connolly 10M, Liles 17M, Komasarek 25M, Lombardi 6M, over 50 million $ burned away. Carlyle and Nonis are doing much better with less. Just a reminder that Reimer, Frattin, Gunnarsson, Komarov, Kulemin were drafted by JFJ. Where are Burkies draft picks after 4 years, lets see, Kadri and ............?
Burke was garbage...no doubt about it. Had a laugh watching our former #1 goaltender Jonas the Monster lose the Red Wings the game last night in a familiar fashion. Those are some great pieces left by JFJ and his scouting staff... I actually like them all myself... and I feel they are some of the most important pieces of this year's team and any success they hopefully will have.

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The team is what Burke promised in 2009
4th line goons are great and all..but they aren't a difference maker especially in playoffs.

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02-20-2013, 05:45 PM
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It's a meritocracy.

This is something that Burke and Wilson clearly did not understand the meaning of. Well, it's really quite simple: if a replacement player can perform better than a regular at a specific task/role, he will be the one playing. Period.
Do you have any examples of this? They seemed to have done it pretty well.

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02-20-2013, 05:56 PM
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Do you have any examples of this? They seemed to have done it pretty well.
You want me to find examples of Ron Wilson and Brian Burke having players that should not have been playing in the line-up, or worse, on the roster?

If so, it comes back to the fact that players were on the roster because of contractual concerns, and not performance. A meritocracy concerns itself with purely performance: if someone can do your job better than you, they will. This is exactly what has occurred: no entitlement.

The turn-around from the roster last year speaks for itself, as a practical example. Both of which happened without Ron Wilson and Brian Burke. This is an example because the Leafs are using some of that cap space to sit players that make millions for players that make average NHL salary. Why? Because the latter are performing better. The team is winning games. No more 'Blue and White disease'.

EDIT: Because some people still do not understand.

Players not on the roster or sitting because of performance:

Lombardi, Connolly, Liles, Steckel, Komisarek, and hopefully soon to be (when the team is healthy), MacArthur.

All of the above players were regulars under Burke and Wilson. They are not now. Why? Performance.


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02-20-2013, 06:05 PM
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You want me to find examples of Ron Wilson and Brian Burke having players that should not have been playing in the line-up, or worse, on the roster?

If so, it comes back to the fact that players were on the roster because of contractual concerns, and not performance. A meritocracy concerns itself with purely performance: if someone can do your job better than you, they will. This is exactly what has occurred: no entitlement.

The turn-around from the roster last year speaks for itself, as a practical example. Both of which happened without Ron Wilson and Brian Burke. This is an example because the Leafs are using some of that cap space to sit players that make millions for players that make average NHL salary. Why? Because the latter are performing better. The team is winning games. No more 'Blue and White disease'.
Thanks, I couldn't think of any examples off the top of my head either.

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Thanks, I couldn't think of any examples off the top of my head either.
Lombardi, Komisarek, Connolly, Armstrong, Sjostrom, Wallin etc.

Burke and Wilson rode these losers to the bitter end.

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02-20-2013, 07:36 PM
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02-20-2013, 07:41 PM
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Lombardi, Komisarek, Connolly, Armstrong, Sjostrom, Wallin etc.

Burke and Wilson rode these losers to the bitter end.
Wilson, not Burke.

And good or bad, we needed those guys, because we had nobody else who was ready. And it was always about the long term, so we weren't going to deviate from proper development for our prospects, which turned out great because of said development. Prospects people like you wrote off and called worthless.

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02-20-2013, 07:59 PM
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Wilson, not Burke.

And good or bad, we needed those guys, because we had nobody else who was ready. And it was always about the long term, so we weren't going to deviate from proper development for our prospects, which turned out great because of said development. Prospects people like you wrote off and called worthless.
It's called egg before the chicken syndrome.

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02-20-2013, 11:35 PM
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Wilson, not Burke.

And good or bad, we needed those guys, because we had nobody else who was ready. And it was always about the long term, so we weren't going to deviate from proper development for our prospects, which turned out great because of said development.
Burke (the GM of the hockey team) chooses to sign, trade, recall or assign players. Wilson (the coach of the hockey team) doesnt get to do that. He makes the lines. Basic information.

And no we could have filled Tim Connolly's garbage season with any AHL player like Zigomanis or Hamilton, for example. So these are just excuses for abysmal management.

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Prospects people like you wrote off and called worthless.
You just joined this board a few days ago, right? So you really dont know anything about what "people like me" think or said. lol

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02-20-2013, 11:39 PM
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Goons.

Our leading scorer is playing with a goon that is allergic to the puck. I think that sums it up.

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02-21-2013, 06:54 AM
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Burke (the GM of the hockey team) chooses to sign, trade, recall or assign players. Wilson (the coach of the hockey team) doesnt get to do that. He makes the lines. Basic information.

And no we could have filled Tim Connolly's garbage season with any AHL player like Zigomanis or Hamilton, for example. So these are just excuses for abysmal management.
Burke (the GM of the hockey team) chooses to sign and trade players, with the input of his coaching staff and peer executives. Wilson (the coach of the hockey team) creates his team from the pool of players in the organization, and then Burke recalls or assigns as necessary.

Burke has always allowed his coach to determine the roster, as many GMs do. Basic information.

These were Wilson's choices, and really Wilson's only choices. Connolly was better than Hamilton, and Hamilton is more important to us on the Marlies anyway.

Connolly or Hamilton or Zigomanis. Who cares anyway? How does playing one over another hurt us in the long term, or help us in the short term?

It doesn't. You just like to complain about nothing.

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You just joined this board a few days ago, right? So you really dont know anything about what "people like me" think or said. lol
This forum is open to browsing by every and anybody.

I know full well your intentions on this forum, and the negative influence you are around here.

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I keep hearing this. Why exactly does a team need an identifiable identity?

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