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02-24-2013, 08:04 PM
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Interesting. Do you happen to have a link to the actual wording in the CBA?
http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf

Section 10.2 lists out RFA stuff, 10.3 has offer sheets. This is the official 2005 CBA. There isn't anything official yet for the 2013 CBA, but as far as I know nothing (major) has changed with RFA status and offer sheets.

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02-24-2013, 08:07 PM
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No actually I'm not. I'm just pointing out why your skepticism is unwarranted and misguided, and you don't want to admit to that. You are just incorrect if you think people develop a master plan to make up mild rumors about something five years in advance, with no incentive, and using vague details, and withholding info for personal reasons. You don't really understand people's motivations, and the way they lie.

Not to mention the fact that you think he's telling the truth. So again, which is it? He's lying and I'm naive, or he's telling the truth because of the reasons I said?
Master plan? Five years? What?

I want you to do something for me. Save these last few posts between you and I. Revisit them in 5 or 10 years. The results may surprise you.

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02-24-2013, 08:08 PM
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This is so frustrating. I don't see how the Avs can get much more than Little if he's coming the other way.

They'll probably get a mediocre prospect, and neither guy will have nearly the impact on a contending team that O'Reilly would have had.
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Trouba is, in all likelihood, an absolute non-starter for Cheveldayoff. I mean, unless for some reason between drafting him and Trouba playing where he's at something has come up, it is an absolute pipe dream in my opinion.

That doesn't mean that GM Greg Sherman may not ask for him, and that doesn't mean that Cheve WOULDN'T deal him, but I see no reason why they would. Would it be nice to get a Little+Trouba package? It would.

The ONLY conceivable way I see that happening is if we also were to include Siemens. And at this point, with Siemens being the youngest in his draft class (was nearly not eligble) those two players are essentially a wash, at this stage in their young careers.

Siemens would have been a Top-10 player had Couturier not slipped, Philadelphia had told him that he was "their guy" at that slot, people forget that.
Based on what? You guys are funny...because some Jets fans freak out because they'd prefer to give up a 'small package' for RoR (surprise, surprise) you guys are sure we're going to get screwed over??

Don't kid yourselves, the Avs ARE in the driver's seat and we WILL get a very good return on this trade!

Ask yourselves THIS: What is the difference between Jacob Trouba, selected 9th overall, playing very well in College Hockey and coming off a strong WJC and Thomas Hickey, selected 4th overall and being selected as captain for Team Canada in the WJC the year after he was drafted? Do you guys think that when fans of other teams were approaching Kings fans about Hickey following his draft selection, that they weren't also laughed at, scoffing and saying he was basically untouchable??

What about when the Avs selected Vaclav Nedorost 14th overall and was shortly thereafter widely considered as 'the best player not in the NHL'?? It was also shortly thereafter he made his debut in the NHL that he was then tagged as 'why is this player IN the NHL'??

Those are 2 very extreme examples that show that anything can really happen with an 18-19 year old prospect even after they show a lot of promise.

I personally don't believe that Trouba will bust but there isn't anyone on this whole planet that can guarantee that he'll be as good as expected.

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02-24-2013, 08:09 PM
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Did you really ask why someone would ever lie on the internet?
Unless someone is absolutely diabolical about their methods to make something up, it's pretty obvious when someone is lying about their connections to someone on this board, or with rumors they're aware of.

And if they are that diabolical to set something up like that five years in advance, make sure to not make the story too crazy, and put that much time into something, they're not wasting their time on a hockey message board. They're trying to con someone out of money, which is why there's no incentive.

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02-24-2013, 08:15 PM
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Master plan? Five years? What?

I want you to do something for me. Save these last few posts between you and I. Revisit them in 5 or 10 years. The results may surprise you.
Do you know something about him I don't? Otherwise that's just a pointless thing to say.

He's been here five years. Why would I give a **** about this in 5 years to remember it and look it up? That's why someone wouldn't wait that long to start making things up about their connections to players in Ontario.

You're not being logical, you're being paranoid.

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02-24-2013, 08:47 PM
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Unless someone is absolutely diabolical about their methods to make something up, it's pretty obvious when someone is lying about their connections to someone on this board, or with rumors they're aware of.

And if they are that diabolical to set something up like that five years in advance, make sure to not make the story too crazy, and put that much time into something, they're not wasting their time on a hockey message board. They're trying to con someone out of money, which is why there's no incentive.
Not that I think TPS is one, but some people are just pathological liars who are smart enough to learn that as long as they don't go too crazy with their lies no one will doubt them.

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02-24-2013, 09:22 PM
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Scouts from the following teams are at the Avs/Ducks game:

Rangers, Sabres, Hurricanes, Philly, Tampa Bay, Montreal, Boston and Winnipeg.

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02-24-2013, 09:24 PM
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Not that I think TPS is one, but some people are just pathological liars who are smart enough to learn that as long as they don't go too crazy with their lies no one will doubt them.
It's possible I just don't see it. They just don't go about it the way he has. It almost always comes off a little fishy in some way, and they're usually new posters that just come and go.

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Scouts from the following teams are at the Avs/Ducks game:

Rangers, Sabres, Hurricanes, Philly, Tampa Bay, Montreal, Boston and Winnipeg.
We're not getting Gardiner?

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02-24-2013, 09:47 PM
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Guys , Stop the assumption regarding TPS . He's a regular , a valuable key member , like all of you, and if there's something that need to be look at , let us handle this .

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We're not getting Gardiner?
I actually like Gardiner....

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02-24-2013, 09:56 PM
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I actually like Gardiner....
I don't mind him. I think he can be a good #3. A better version of Liles. Perhaps even more.

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We're not getting Gardiner?
there's always trading Hunwick for him

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We're not getting Godiner?
You spelled it wrong...

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Did you really ask why someone would ever lie on the internet?
Is that what you honestly got out what I wrote?

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Scouts from the following teams are at the Avs/Ducks game:

Rangers, Sabres, Hurricanes, Philly, Tampa Bay, Montreal, Boston and Winnipeg.
And those are all the top rumored teams to have shown the most interest.

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Is that what you honestly got out what I wrote?
It was a rhetorical question.

Most people who lie in the internet do it because it gives them enjoyment. No big motive. Just entertainment.

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02-24-2013, 10:29 PM
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It was a rhetorical question.

Most people who lie in the internet do it because it gives them enjoyment. No big motive. Just entertainment.
And they're easy to spot because of that.

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02-24-2013, 10:31 PM
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And those are all the top rumored teams to have shown the most interest.
Except Ottawa.

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02-24-2013, 10:39 PM
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Except Ottawa.
True. And they were the team McKenzie thought was the leading candidate.

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True. And they were the team McKenzie thought was the leading candidate.
Just because they weren't scouting tonight doesn't mean that they are "out of it" so to speak.

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Except Ottawa.
PL code of silence. ROR's going to the Sens.

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Just because they weren't scouting tonight doesn't mean that they are "out of it" so to speak.
No, I know. I just re-read that before I saw your post actually and realized that's what it looked like I was saying.

Just thought it was interesting. Maybe they did back out, maybe they didn't. Maybe they already know who they would ask for, or maybe it means nothing.

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No, I know. I just re-read that before I saw your post actually and realized that's what it looked like I was saying.

Just thought it was interesting. Maybe they did back out, maybe they didn't. Maybe they already know who they would ask for, or maybe it means nothing.
Didn't they scout the Avs/Kings game?

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