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02-19-2013, 11:13 PM
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T.J. Brennan could be had for a 3rd or a 4th

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02-19-2013, 11:14 PM
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No, he took on the job as "top offensive defenseman" on a team that already had the league's best forward from the previous year (Damien Brunner) and had just added one of the top players in the world in Henrik Zetterberg. Diaz was the third most important player on the team, with Linus Omark being #4.

As for a trade to Vancouver...

How about Kronwall and Franzen for Hamhuis and Booth?
Hamhuis is our most untouchable player after the Sedins.

Either way, Kronwall isn't exactly a PMD, and imo Hamhuis is actually better offensively.

If we did go after someone, I'd want it to be someone like Streit, Visnovsky, Wisniewski, Ehrhoff, etc.

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02-19-2013, 11:27 PM
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Then your best bet is to go after Marc Andre Bergeron.
Or tank for a high draft pick like the Habs?

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... you have to be kidding. Diaz is not getting a 1st, never mind our best prospect on top of it. That value assessment is absurd.

This trade is pointless. We are not benching any of our current defense, thus there is not reason to make any trade. People need to accept our defense is some variation of:

Edler - Garrison
Hamhuis - Bieksa
Ballard - Tanev
based on his play right now, his numbers, his age and his contract - you don't think Diaz would command a first?

1) you aren't watching enough of your habs play
2) you completely underrate the value of quality dmen in NHL

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Or tank for a high draft pick like the Habs?
habs didn't tank. they were run by an idiot last year

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02-19-2013, 11:39 PM
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based on his play right now, his numbers, his age and his contract - you don't think Diaz would command a first?

1) you aren't watching enough of your habs play
2) you completely underrate the value of quality dmen in NHL
I've watched every game and sixteen do not warrant a first for a guy who was former a throw in. Most GMs are going to err on the side of caution and assume he is a product of Markov. Maybe you get that from somewhat desperate or foolish GM at the deadline, like Poile, but otherwise, no. It is not a knock at Diaz, who has played exceptionally well, but the reality of this year's draft.

If Diaz keeps it up, then we shall see.

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Ballard was a puck moving defenseman when he came to Vancouver. Vignault beat it out of him. He used to throw bodychecks as well, but you don't see that any more. Edler doesn't do it, either. I think they have been told to lay off until playoffs, but that fractures their game, making them less effective overall.

I do not think Vancouver needs new pieces on defense. I think the players they have are good enough, but are confined by the system. It looks like the system was designed to limit adventurous play by the defense. It's slipping, though and guys are trying to shoot more and join the rush. It's like the team is moving towards a new model without management's consent. It's a movement. LOL! Look at the goal totals for defensemen. Look at the number of fights the team has had. They are morphing into something outside the design parameters!

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02-20-2013, 12:04 AM
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Garrison hasn't been a great puck mover, too slow. Vancouver needs to learn how to utilize his slap shot more. Edler has been pretty good, Bieksa decent, and that's about it. Would like to see Ballard get some time on the PP, if only for his puck moving.
I'd go after Demers, Subban, or Carlson (only if they are available).

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Garrison hasn't been a great puck mover, too slow. Vancouver needs to learn how to utilize his slap shot more. Edler has been pretty good, Bieksa decent, and that's about it. Would like to see Ballard get some time on the PP, if only for his puck moving.
I'd go after Demers, Subban, or Carlson (only if they are available).
I think Subban or Carlson would cost an arm and a leg, with Demers costing less but I don't see as a real upgrade over what we have. If a team like the Islanders are out of contention, and we can pick up either one of Streit or Visnovsky for futures, then that would be the ideal trade for me.

I do agree that it might be time to give Ballard a shot to regain his pre-Vancouver form as an offensive Dman.

Maybe run

Edler-Bieksa
Ballard-Garrison

on the PP units and see how that works out.

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02-20-2013, 12:15 AM
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I think Subban or Carlson would cost an arm and a leg, with Demers costing less but I don't see as a real upgrade over what we have. If a team like the Islanders are out of contention, and we can pick up either one of Streit or Visnovsky for futures, then that would be the ideal trade for me.

I do agree that it might be time to give Ballard a shot to regain his pre-Vancouver form as an offensive Dman.

Maybe run

Edler-Bieksa
Ballard-Garrison

on the PP units and see how that works out.
We're probably going to trade Ballard in the off season, seems like it's inevitable with the cap unless the Canucks do something big before then. There will be an open spot on the third pairing IMO.

I like the idea of a Ballard-Garrison tandem, Ballard is a quick skater and would help compensate for Garrison's slow skating. Hopefully Ballard can tee up some nice one timers for Garrison.

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Wideman sounds like the player you want.

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02-20-2013, 12:22 AM
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Wideman sounds like the player you want.
He would, but having just been signed to a large contract, I can't see us having cap space for him unless we move two defensemen out of our top-5. But with Hamhuis-Bieksa having NTCs and Garrison/Edler having just been (re-)signed, I don't think it's likely. A veteran rental would be best, if we do decide to add someone, I think.

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02-20-2013, 12:32 AM
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Then your best bet is to go after Marc Andre Bergeron.
No kidding. Jensen is a tough sell but Lack is most certainly available given our goaltending depth.

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He would, but having just been signed to a large contract, I can't see us having cap space for him unless we move two defensemen out of our top-5. But with Hamhuis-Bieksa having NTCs and Garrison/Edler having just been (re-)signed, I don't think it's likely. A veteran rental would be best, if we do decide to add someone, I think.
Mark Streit, he's kinda expensive though. (Cap wise)

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Streit or Visnovsky could be dealt at the deadline.

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Streit or Visnovsky could be dealt at the deadline.
What would it take to get Visnovsky?

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Boyle for Jensen+1st in the offseason?

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Hamhuis is our most untouchable player after the Sedins.

Either way, Kronwall isn't exactly a PMD, and imo Hamhuis is actually better offensively.

If we did go after someone, I'd want it to be someone like Streit, Visnovsky, Wisniewski, Ehrhoff, etc.
Wrong. Ryan Kesler is. (Your Kesler hate aside that is)

Then I would say Alex Burrows , then I would say Hamhuis.

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Wideman sounds like the player you want.
Too bad the flames overpaid him, we could have used him at his true value of 3mil

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Tyler Kennedy + Matt Niskanen for Mason Raymond + any defenseman not named Ballard, Garrison, Barker or Alberts.

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Tyler Kennedy + Matt Niskanen for Mason Raymond + any defenseman not named Ballard, Garrison, Barker or Alberts.
Alright, Raymond + Vandermeer.
Raymonds been having a good year though, he's much more valuable to us than Kennedy would be IMO.

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Alright, Raymond + Vandermeer.
Raymonds been having a good year though, he's much more valuable to us than Kennedy would be IMO.
Yeah, pass on Vandermeer.

Niskanen has turned his game around big time since last season, TK is just having a down year but the guy is a 45pt guy that is a solid 3rd liner that is a beast on the forecheck and physical for his size.


343GP 75G 90A 165PTS (16PTS 51GP Playoffs)
342GP 71G 88A 159PTS (22PTS 67GP Playoffs)

Guess which one is which for those stats. One of these guys gets more top 6 minutes and better line mates, the other not so much.

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He would, but having just been signed to a large contract, I can't see us having cap space for him unless we move two defensemen out of our top-5. But with Hamhuis-Bieksa having NTCs and Garrison/Edler having just been (re-)signed, I don't think it's likely. A veteran rental would be best, if we do decide to add someone, I think.
Well well personally I would keep Wideman so how about Blowmeester? We eat 2mil of his horrendous contract but he's actually returning to form... for now. Offer? I doubt it would happen since its in the same division but just to spice things up!

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What about Kassian and Schroeder for Rundblad, Miele and a 4th?
Is this a joke?

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Too bad the flames overpaid him, we could have used him at his true value of 3mil
New CBA, you can keep some cap hit in trades. Not sure on exact rules.

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