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10-07-2013, 05:44 PM
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fishman is the next gm anyway. you guys would soooo hate that

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10-07-2013, 05:47 PM
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the division is no longer a cakewalk.
the division is in complete disarray. it sure could be a cakewalk

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10-07-2013, 05:55 PM
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fishman is the next gm anyway. you guys would soooo hate that
Fishman is an accountant.

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10-07-2013, 06:05 PM
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the division is in complete disarray. it sure could be a cakewalk
True. We sure could win a cup without competent defense or a shutdown line too. Anything that could technically happen could technically happen.

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10-07-2013, 07:26 PM
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a. fishman is an attorney. like McPhee. he does handle the salary cap, but he has been an assistant gm for 7 years now. he negotiates the contracts. if you think there is no chance that fishman is the next gm, you need to look again.

b. other than the pens who are one goalie issue away from trouble, what metro division teams are looking solid right now? the competition is not frightening. ive said it already...if the caps win the division it will be dubbed the new southeast

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10-07-2013, 07:53 PM
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a. fishman is an attorney. like McPhee. he does handle the salary cap, but he has been an assistant gm for 7 years now. he negotiates the contracts. if you think there is no chance that fishman is the next gm, you need to look again.
He has a law degree/license. His job is as an accountant. There is no reason to believe he has any background in evaluating hockey talent, which is a GM's primary responsibility. Is there something you know that everyone else doesn't?

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10-07-2013, 07:58 PM
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http://capitals.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=77986

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Prior to joining the Capitals, Fishman served as general counsel of two Washington, D.C., city government agencies, the Office of Cable Television and the Department of Parks and Recreation. In his role with District government, he worked as part of the local host committee that successfully bid for the 2009 NCAA Men’s Hockey Frozen Four, held at Verizon Center in April 2009. Fishman also worked as a corporate and communications lawyer in Washington and Los Angeles with Latham & Watkins and Ervin, Cohen & Jessup.
So yeah, not at all.

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10-07-2013, 07:59 PM
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He has a law degree/license. His job is as an accountant. There is no reason to believe he has any background in evaluating hockey talent, which is a GM's primary responsibility. Is there something you know that everyone else doesn't?
the scouting staff evaluates the talent. bad scouts makes for bad drafting as with McPhee's early tenure. good scouts make for good drafting. McPhee makes decisions as a manager of a large staff who gets input from many people.

for instance. fishman sets the budgets and negotiates the contracts. McPhee signs off on it but its fishman that does that work.

its about the decisions. McPhee also does a lot more than just set the roster.

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10-07-2013, 08:04 PM
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the scouting staff evaluates the talent. bad scouts makes for bad drafting as with McPhee's early tenure. good scouts make for good drafting. McPhee makes decisions as a manager of a large staff who gets input from many people.

for instance. fishman sets the budgets and negotiates the contracts. McPhee signs off on it but its fishman that does that work.

its about the decisions. McPhee also does a lot more than just set the roster.
Yup, Fishman does the ACCOUNTING work.

Mahoney and Yingst are both much more likely to be the next GM than Fishman.

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the scouting staff evaluates the talent. bad scouts makes for bad drafting as with McPhee's early tenure. good scouts make for good drafting. McPhee makes decisions as a manager of a large staff who gets input from many people.

for instance. fishman sets the budgets and negotiates the contracts. McPhee signs off on it but its fishman that does that work.

its about the decisions. McPhee also does a lot more than just set the roster.
The GM should be the best scout in the organEYEzation. He does more than set the roster, and most of that could be done by anyone. His role as GM is to judge hockey information and make hockey decisions. If you don't think that McPhee's primary responsibilities are essentially "scouting" and making judgments about how hockey teams should be constructed, you must think half of this board could be competent in his place.

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10-07-2013, 08:11 PM
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Fishman would probably be interviewed, but I highly doubt he'd get the job. He is part of the hockey analytics panel for the Sloan Sports conference at MIT.

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Fishman would probably be interviewed, but I highly doubt he'd get the job. He is part of the hockey analytics panel for the Sloan Sports conference at MIT.
Unless txpd knew that about the panel, he's still wildly wrong.

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10-07-2013, 08:14 PM
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ok...fishman is a cpa with a law degree
McPhee is going to resign before he gets fired. when he does you guys are going to jump and cheer and then leonsis is going to announce fishman and your head is going to explode.....and you know I am right.

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I have heard GMGM say that he stays out of the locker room and doesn't get involved at all, and has to rely on what the coaches tell him for information about players and the culture.

Don't you think a GM that's responsible for ALL personnel on the team would be better off knowing what's going on a bit more?

How can you tell who's working out and who isn't if you're only hearing select bits of information from a single voice?

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you must think half of this board could be competent in his place.
funny....more than half of this board thinks they would be more competent in his place.

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I have heard GMGM say that he stays out of the locker room and doesn't get involved at all, and has to rely on what the coaches tell him for information about players and the culture.

Don't you think a GM that's responsible for ALL personnel on the team would be better off knowing what's going on a bit more?

How can you tell who's working out and who isn't if you're only hearing select bits of information from a single voice?
most gm's are not in the room much. most coaches only slightly more. remember most coaches talk to the captain who talks to the players. hunter didn't talk to anyone. he's not the only one.

McPhee commented on seeing oleksy at the showcase game last season. I recall him saying that he hadn't seen him play before. we saw 24/7 and saw McPhee watching practice and so forth and didn't show Shero doing that. Shero talked to Bylsma who rated the players play.

McPhee callet Pothier Potheeya. remember? He still calls Johansson JOEhansson. He may have seen Wilson play live once before they drafted him. Maybe not at all. He gets video presentations from scouting and goes over that material.

this is the stuff that we on the outside have a take on that often time bares no resemblance to reality.

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10-07-2013, 08:29 PM
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ok...fishman is a cpa with a law degree
McPhee is going to resign before he gets fired. when he does you guys are going to jump and cheer and then leonsis is going to announce fishman and your head is going to explode.....and you know I am right.
Nobody thinks you're right, oh king of straw men.

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Ха ха ха! Что рыбе-человек знает о хоккее? Вода замерзает!

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Don Fishman is an adequate choice for GM but Jim Nill or Paul Fenton are too risky.

These are the actual thoughts of a George McPhee supporter. Pretty much says it all.

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Where does the experimenting end though?
It should never end so long as there's actual method behind it and it's deemed necessary due to circumstances. Whether it's burying Erat, Fehr at center or rushing Carrick, none seem necessary.

Knowing what they have and reacting accordingly shouldn't take that long. Between their late spring and early season decisions, adjustments have been a struggle for this staff. If there's a clear standard of play at even-strength it's not apparent. Maybe some of that is leadership but a clear organizational standard should be what informs all evaluations. (It's also what should have made the 4-7D a clear area of concern.) Without that standard there's fairly aimless regular season, results-based thinking. No wonder when one ends up with mediocre execution, a lot of individual play and, uh, hope.

In a more competitive division they're likely to miss the playoffs if they operate with no standard aside from remaining competitive. They end up on their heels from the start and it's certainly not the mentality of a contender.

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So worried George will pull off another Forsberg-like move to save his job.

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The real question you should ask yourself is if you feel Ted can find someone better. Remember Ted is the same guy who got "blown away" by Cassidy.

To me Yzerman had that lucky streak his first year but I contend he's doing a miserable job in Tampa. I don't like much of what he is doing.

Everyone loves the heck out of some Ray Shero. The Pens are perennial contenders after all and under his watch won a cup and went to another.

But...on closer examination look at the drafting records. Shero is winning with all of Patrick's guys. He made a couple nice trades but his drafting has been downright atrocious. Are we so sure Craig Patrick couldn't have done the same? The guy was part of 2 Pens Cups before that and made some insanely good trades through the years.
I don't know, to be honest. Given his track record with the Caps and Wizards, no, I don't have a lot of confidence in him making the right choice.

The problem with George is that he's close to being fairly solid. His drafting has been reasonably good -- we have some real offensive talent in the pipeline. He's really just one move away from this team being a serious threat, and that's trading for a 2LD. Instead, he's too concerned with rewarding the grinders for being "good soldiers" rather than looking at the team objectively. Nobody can look at Laich at 2LW or Erskine at 2LD and say that these guys give us the best chance to win in their current position.

We have so many borderline D prospects in Hershey that they can't all dress. We have so many RW's we traded away a legit 3C so we could plug one in in his spot. Package a RW, or Erat, plus Erskine and/or a prospect and pick, or some combination of the above, and get someone at 2LD and we're in business.

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So worried George will pull off another Forsberg-like move to save his job.
Eh, not sure if I'm super concerned. I think he'll make a bone headed move, but he's not going to trade Kuz, Wilson, Grubauer, or Burakovsky and there are no other prospects in our system I'd be really butt hurt over losing, save for maybe Riley Barber.

Edit: if he does trade one of those 4, pitchforks and torches to Kettner.

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Eh, not sure if I'm super concerned. I think he'll make a bone headed move, but he's not going to trade Kuz, Wilson, Grubauer, or Burakovsky and there are no other prospects in our system I'd be really butt hurt over losing, save for maybe Riley Barber.

Edit: if he does trade one of those 4, pitchforks and torches to Kettner.
People are actually hyped over Grub?

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funny....more than half of this board thinks they would be more competent in his place.
you do realize makfi built teams have won a grand total of 6 playoff rounds, 3 of which came during one playoff year, in 15 seasons?

nobody on this board is qualified to do better, but one has to think there's somebody else out there, in the game, who could?

dont ya??

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