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02-27-2013, 07:32 AM
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Stamkos and Yakupov

I'm not sure if this deserves its own thread, but I watched the Tampa/Sabres game last night and was amazed at how many times a game Stamkos gets his one timer off. I'm not sure why Yak gets so few of these opportunities. It seems to me his one-timer is pretty comparable to Stamkos', and he would be scoring alot more if he had more opportunities to shoot (like we saw against Chicago).

I guess it comes down to a few possibilities:
  1. Stamkos is a right handed shot, and teams are more accustomed to covering the other wing.
  2. Kreuger is not putting the sets in to get Yak the puck in an open space for the one timer.
  3. Other Oiler players are not as good at recognizing him being open and/or can not get the puck to him.
  4. Yak is not finding the open ice.

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02-27-2013, 07:37 AM
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...or Stamkos is just so much better, and have better teammates who passes him often becuse they know that he is good

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...or Stamkos is just so much better, and have better teammates who passes him often becuse they know that he is good
Are you saying Belanger isn't as good as St. Louis??


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02-27-2013, 08:03 AM
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in he next 2 years we will end up seeing RNH and yak as permanent linemates, thats just my opinion. and the reasoning will be exactly what you just described. like the new hull/oates

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02-27-2013, 08:19 AM
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in he next 2 years we will end up seeing RNH and yak as permanent linemates, thats just my opinion. and the reasoning will be exactly what you just described. like the new hull/oates
That would be outstanding and I agree, Yakupov will get more opportunity as he develops as pro.


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02-27-2013, 08:58 AM
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i think ralph will start to work on getting yak more looks as well. he got off 2 consecutive one timers in phoenix and again in chicago, he will get his snipes/

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...or Stamkos is just so much better, and have better teammates who passes him often becuse they know that he is good
In 2012-13, Steven Stamkos is a much better player.

In 2008-09, Steven Stamkos scored at a slightly slower rate (0.58 points per game split evenly between goals and assists) than Nail Yakupov is scoring at now (0.61 points per game split pretty evenly between goals and assists).

I continue to be amazed at how similar these two players' stats are at similar points in their careers. Admittedly Yakupov's rookie stats are coming from an incomplete sample but they have very similar pedigrees and skill sets.

Let's hope the trend continues.

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02-27-2013, 09:34 AM
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The PP in Tampa is built around Stamkos. By Yakupov's 2nd or third year the PP will be built around him. I also agree with RNH and Yakupov being a permanent fixture on the PP and 5 on 5 with Hall and Eberle being the other duo.

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02-27-2013, 09:49 AM
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Yaks isn't as good at getting open for those opportunities yet.

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02-27-2013, 09:58 AM
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The PP in Tampa is built around Stamkos. By Yakupov's 2nd or third year the PP will be built around him. I also agree with RNH and Yakupov being a permanent fixture on the PP and 5 on 5 with Hall and Eberle being the other duo.
Those would be good duos to go with. Now we just need to find a big LWer to play with RNH and Yaks and a big capeable center to play with Hall & Eberle.

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Adding to this, I have to wonder how different Yakupov's adjustment to the NHL game would be right now if he were playing on his natural wing when playing with talented players instead of being shoehorned into LW. IMO his one-timer opportunities could only increase for a left handed RW.

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02-27-2013, 11:25 AM
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He should be playing RW. would give him more opportunities to get his one timer off. Hemsky is a puck hog all too often and waits until the D catches up to try to make a pass.

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Tampa also almost traded Stamkos to the NYR when he was struggling. It takes players time sometimes.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...Vq92kFkpEFVBMI

Edit, NM he wasn't struggling, it was during his 46 goal year! WOW.

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I hope Yak can figure out how to best use his skill set. If he can accept that he's never going to be Bure or Ovechkin, but instead tries to play like Hull or Stamkos he could get 50 goals one day with a good playmaker on his line. The fact that he is playing the left side makes that difficult though. I'd love to see him more on the right side and on the top PP unit as well. I'd love to see these lines since I think Eberle could transition seamlessly to the left and maybe even benefit from it.

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
Eberle-RNH-Yakupov

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its because the players on this team on the PP are selfish and know HOW-TO-WIN (whoops). he just sits on the RW side waiting and either the passes are bad, they dont happen, or he passes the puck back because the puck movement doesnt give an optimal shot... either way, he should be getting them far more so they create chaos. most of his shots are going to give up major rebounds for players to crash the net on.


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Michael Del Zotto, Evgeny Grachev, Ryan Callahan, Brandon Dubinsky and Dan Girardi.

what a garbage trade. that TB GM should be banned immediately for even considering that trade + having Barry Melrose on staff.


and my lines would be:

Hall - Gagner - Eberle
Jones - RNH - Hemsky
Magnus - don't care - Yak

Jones size/smarts/grit will help those two fancy boys

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marty st louis is one of the most under appreciated players in the NHL. Love his game

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Hope Yakupov developes Stamkos's relentless workout regiment. Stamkos goes hard year round. The guy does everything you need to do to be great.

But Yakupov sure looks like him on the ice. Crosses fingers and toes.

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02-27-2013, 12:06 PM
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I have found Hemsky to be looking off Yakupov on too many occasions this year.

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In 2012-13, Steven Stamkos is a much better player.

In 2008-09, Steven Stamkos scored at a slightly slower rate (0.58 points per game split evenly between goals and assists) than Nail Yakupov is scoring at now (0.61 points per game split pretty evenly between goals and assists).

I continue to be amazed at how similar these two players' stats are at similar points in their careers. Admittedly Yakupov's rookie stats are coming from an incomplete sample but they have very similar pedigrees and skill sets.

Let's hope the trend continues.
More to this point on Stamkos' rookie season that most forget - he was 79gp, 23-23-46 in 08-09. That's 0.58. However, in the first 40 games of the season, he was 4-10-14 for a 0.35 clip, and in the last 39, 19-13-27 for a 0.69 clip.

Yak is 18gp, 6-5-11 for that 0.61 pace you mention, but he's far ahead of Stamkos' first half season in the league.

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02-27-2013, 12:10 PM
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I have found Hemsky to be looking off Yakupov on too many occasions this year.
I get the sense that Hemsky views Yakupov more as a rival than a teammate.

I really hope Tambellini is able to move Hemsky for a fair return at the deadline.

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Adding to this, I have to wonder how different Yakupov's adjustment to the NHL game would be right now if he were playing on his natural wing when playing with talented players instead of being shoehorned into LW. IMO his one-timer opportunities could only increase for a left handed RW.
all of yaks goals i can picture have been from the right wing side.

off the top of my head
1 timer vs chicago
2 batted passes
onetimer vs dallas
there was an empty netter

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I hope Yak can figure out how to best use his skill set. If he can accept that he's never going to be Bure or Ovechkin, but instead tries to play like Hull or Stamkos he could get 50 goals one day with a good playmaker on his line. The fact that he is playing the left side makes that difficult though. I'd love to see him more on the right side and on the top PP unit as well. I'd love to see these lines since I think Eberle could transition seamlessly to the left and maybe even benefit from it.

Hall-Gagner-Hemsky
Eberle-RNH-Yakupov
having 2 off wing shots with an elite set up man is the perfect set up. imo

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Wow, some Oiler fans kill me. Maybe it's because Stamkos is in his fifth year and has played 344 NHL games while Yakapov is a 19 year old rookie who's played 18. Patience....

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Remember, it took Stamkos 3 full months in the NHL before he was scoring at least semi-regularly. Not saying that him and Yakupov are comparable, but even for the best, it takes time. Stamkos had 14 points in his first 40 games.

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