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02-20-2013, 06:49 PM
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Blake Wheeler to NJ

I think he is a great player with great size, and since the Devils need a top 6 forward how much would he cost to get him?

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02-20-2013, 06:53 PM
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I think he is a great player with great size, and since the Devils need a top 6 forward how much would he cost to get him?
Nothing that the Devils can afford to give up.

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02-20-2013, 07:05 PM
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The cost would be huge. He's a bonafide 1st line RW that seems to get better every year, and doesn't get hurt. Not quite elite, but getting close. On top of that RW is a position that we're very weak, and he's a fan favorite. It would take massive overpayment to pry him from the Jets.

Now if you're still comfortable, here's our needs:

- Quality backup goalie, or #1b that can challenge Pavelec
- Top 4 LHD
- Top 6 forwards, especially RW
- Chevy loves hoarding draft picks

I would imagine this might be a good starting point:

- NJD 1st rounder 2013
- A quality prospect
- Good roster player see above


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02-20-2013, 07:29 PM
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The cost would be huge. He's a bonafide 1st line RW that seems to get better every year, and doesn't get hurt. Not quite elite, but getting close. On top of that RW is a position that we're very weak, and he's a fan favorite. It would take massive overpayment to pry him from the Jets.

Now if you're still comfortable, here's our needs:

- Quality backup goalie, or #1b that can challenge Pavelec
- Top 4 LHD
- Top 6 forwards, especially RW
- Chevy loves hoarding draft picks

I would imagine this might be a good starting point:

- NJD 1st rounder 2013
- A quality prospect
- Good roster player see above
What? You're going to have to qualify that statement because nothing about Blake Wheeler says "elite winger" to me.

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02-20-2013, 07:46 PM
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I said he wasn't elite. But he is getting better all the time. It also depends on your definition of elite. Other teams seem to pay him a lot of respect, he constantly gets double teamed coming into the zone with the puck.

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Henrique for Wheeler

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Henrique for Wheeler
Not doable for NJ. Henrique is too important to the Devils as he can play center and wing and has shown an ability to play two-way hockey.

Young, cost-controlled for several more years, and productive already.

I've never been a big Wheeler fan or impressed from when I saw him on the Bruins. But good to see him starting to find a home in Winnipeg and maybe making a name for himself.

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02-20-2013, 07:57 PM
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He's an RFA at the end of the year with arbitration rights and only 2 RFA years left.. he's not getting Henrique.

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Wheeler is a bonafide 1st line RW?

No, he's a good 2nd liner who is playing top RW on the jets. Please dkm with these statements. Also, he is NOWHERE near elite

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How about....

Larsson + Henrique + 1st round draft pick

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Wheeler + Ladd

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The cost would be huge. He's a bonafide 1st line RW that seems to get better every year, and doesn't get hurt. Not quite elite, but getting close. On top of that RW is a position that we're very weak, and he's a fan favorite. It would take massive overpayment to pry him from the Jets.

Now if you're still comfortable, here's our needs:

- Quality backup goalie, or #1b that can challenge Pavelec
- Top 4 LHD
- Top 6 forwards, especially RW
- Chevy loves hoarding draft picks

I would imagine this might be a good starting point:

- NJD 1st rounder 2013
- A quality prospect
- Good roster player see above
That's a package I'd offer Evander Kane, not Blake Wheeler

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How about....

Larsson + Henrique + 1st round draft pick

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Wheeler + Ladd
Give me one good reason why the Devils do this. Easily one of the worst proposals I've seen on HFBoards, and that's saying something.

Exactly. The first round pick added in there is like a slap in the face.

Henrique has more value than Wheeler, arguably. Larsson with his potential has way more value than Ladd. Both Wheeler and Ladd are very good second line wingers who are good, not great, first liners.

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Wheeler is a bonafide 1st line RW?
Jagr, Semin, Burrows, Ryan, Alfredsson all had similar TOI/G and less points than Wheeler last year. Don't forget Wheeler mostly played with Bryan Little, who is not considered a 1st line center.

Now imagine if he played with someone like Backstrom, Sedin, Spezza, or Getzlaf.

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That's a package I'd offer Evander Kane, not Blake Wheeler
We'll keep him then.

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Due to lack of depth on the RW, the Jets would be very hard pressed to deal him. Nothing anywhere near good value will get it done because it will just leave the Jets with a massive hole on the right side.

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Jagr, Semin, Burrows, Ryan, Alfredsson all had similar TOI/G and less points than Wheeler last year. Don't forget Wheeler mostly played with Bryan Little, who is not considered a 1st line center.

Now imagine if he played with someone like Backstrom, Sedin, Spezza, or Getzlaf.
Still doesn't make him a first line winger.

He's a second line winger who can ride off a top line center and put up good points. Pretty much like all the guys you named there.

Understandable if his value to the Jets is a first line winger, but it doesn't make his value elsewhere a first line winger.

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How about....

Larsson + Henrique + 1st round draft pick

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Wheeler + Ladd


Quite possibly worst proposal in HFBoards history.

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Jagr, Semin, Burrows, Ryan, Alfredsson all had similar TOI/G and less points than Wheeler last year. Don't forget Wheeler mostly played with Bryan Little, who is not considered a 1st line center.

Now imagine if he played with someone like Backstrom, Sedin, Spezza, or Getzlaf.
Semin and Ryan (and they didn't play with Backstrom and Getzlaf) had disappointing years, but none of those other guys are 1st line wingers anyway. Alfredsson is a shell of his former self but also didn't play with Spezza last year.

I like Wheeler though he's a solid player.

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He's a second line winger who can ride off a top line center and put up good points. Pretty much like all the guys you named there.
You guys are confused. Bryan Little is not a #1c. He usually floats around the 40th-50th in points for centers. I know NHL.com doesn't always have positions correct, but it gives you an idea. Little plays more like a winger anyways. His best year he played as a RW.

Ladd was #28 in LW points last year and is #14 currently(#5 in goals)

Wheeler was #14 in RW points last year and is #25 currently

Little was #42 in C points last year and is #47 currently

Those guys I mentioned before produced less points with a better center. Imagine if Ladd and Wheeler played with a true #1C. Little is holding them back.

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You guys are confused. Bryan Little is not a #1c. He usually floats around the 40th-50th in points for centers. I know NHL.com doesn't always have positions correct, but it gives you an idea. Little plays more like a winger anyways. His best year he played as a RW.

Ladd was #28 in LW points last year and is #14 currently(#5 in goals)

Wheeler was #14 in RW points last year and is #25 currently

Little was #42 in C points last year and is #47 currently

Those guys I mentioned before produced less points with a better center. Imagine if Ladd and Wheeler played with a true #1C. Little is holding them back.
Except none of them played with the centre that you listed.

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You guys are confused. Bryan Little is not a #1c. He usually floats around the 40th-50th in points for centers. I know NHL.com doesn't always have positions correct, but it gives you an idea. Little plays more like a winger anyways. His best year he played as a RW.

Ladd was #28 in LW points last year and is #14 currently(#5 in goals)

Wheeler was #14 in RW points last year and is #25 currently

Little was #42 in C points last year and is #47 currently

Those guys I mentioned before produced less points with a better center. Imagine if Ladd and Wheeler played with a true #1C. Little is holding them back.
I acknowledged that.

I just said that they are very good second line wingers at best. They aren't your ideal first line forward, they could ride shotgun to one and put up points.

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Give me one good reason why the Devils do this. Easily one of the worst proposals I've seen on HFBoards, and that's saying something.

Exactly. The first round pick added in there is like a slap in the face.

Henrique has more value than Wheeler, arguably. Larsson with his potential has way more value than Ladd. Both Wheeler and Ladd are very good second line wingers who are good, not great, first liners.
Ok...what if we include one of Alexander Burminstrov or Postma?

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How about....

Larsson + Henrique + 1st round draft pick

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Wheeler + Ladd
You've actually just got to be kidding me...

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Ok...what if we include one of Alexander Burminstrov or Postma?
What is this...I don't even...

Include Burminstrov, Ladd, Kane and Wheeler and then we'll consider it.

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Except none of them played with the centre that you listed.
Other than Alfie and Semin, behindthenet.ca disagrees with you.

Burrows #1 linemate Sedin
Ryan #1 linemate Getzlaf
Jagr #1 linemate Giroux

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