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09-23-2003, 06:31 AM
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Scouting Report: (Sept. 22nd) Yanic Perreault

Yanic Perreault's pro's and con's have been debated on this board more times than I care to remember. But what the heck, why not one more time.
Yanic's strength's are obvious. He is the best faceoff man in the league, having the best faceoff % each of the past 4 seasons. He also have great hands around the net and a very accurate shot. He is the best on the team, and one of the best in the league at roofing the puck in close, a skill I wish a few of our other players had.
Yanic has never been a good skater or a physical player. These things have been known about him since his junior days (If he was a good skater or a good physical player, he would of been drafted 40 spots higher, instead of 47th overall). The fact that he isn't physical on a team with a lack of physical forwards plus the fact that if he isn't scoring he is next to useless on the ice, makes him a target of angry fans during his scoring slumps.
Perreault's game has always seemed better suited for left wing (less defensive responsibility, and the fact that Perreault is better at finding holes and pouncing on rebounds, than carrying the puck over the blue line and passing to open teammates) but a combination of team weakness at centre and the fact that he is the best faceoff man in the league keep him at centre. If Mike Ribiero could lock up the #2 centre spot on the team (I'm not holding MY breathe) and Saku could stay relatively healthly (again not holding MY breathe) the teams need to keep Perreault and/or keep him at centre would be greatly reduced. In the right situation, with the right linemates, I think Perreault could be a valuable #2 centre, but unforunately that situation isn't present in Montreal at the present time.
Perreault's season last year was a tale of two halves. He was a great asset to the team for the first 36 games of the year, scoring 19 goals on an offensively challenged team, without top line linemates but the remaining 37 games of Perreault's season saw him only find the back of the net 5 times (hmmm......for information that was how many Ribiero scoring all of last season, in 52 games). I expect that Perreault will see significant ice time this upcoming season in Montreal (weather it be at centre or wing, 2nd or 3rd line, blah, blah, blah) and if he improves his consistancy he could once agian challange the 30 goal mark.

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Perreault's season last year was a tale of two halves.

I think that could have been put that little differently. That makes his season look like it was split right down the middle in good and bad halves. It wasnt. He was on track towards 60+ point season, 38pt in 49 games, until Jan 25th injury. That was the real divider for his season. It went all downhill from there - missing three weeks time and more trying to catchup.

But if it didnt happen much fewer people would be complaining here about his offensive consistency and thinking Ribeiro is going to take his place easily...

For the most part I agree though.

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He is at the top of the league in faceoffs and is deadly with the puck from the faceoff circle in. That's pretty well it. There's no point in arguing whether his weaknesses are due to being 'soft', a lack of effort or lack of strength. It doesn't matter, they exist. If you desperately need goals and have no one else to get them, he is useful. I don't see him and Ribeiro on the same team, but if Koivu is in and out of the lineup..........

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You guys have always done great jobs with your reports
I really hope you continue to do them and maybe even start new ones for how each person plays during the season?

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Darz as usual left nothing to be said with another great report.

Guys, remember when we lost Marc Bureau to Philadelphia and suddenly found ourselves near the bottom of the league with faceoffs won?

'Nuff said.

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I agree and i'd just like to say ALOT of hab fans here bash Perreault and keep saying we gotta get rid of this guy but i just don't understand it.

I mean you have role players, there are guys who are there to score, defend, hit, and play gritty etc.

Perreault isn't here for his physical hitting and etc. His job is to score goals and he gets 20+ a year atleast, he has nice hands and i don't understand why people bash him so much?!?

What good is 30 goals if your a -14? Perreault is brutal in his own end, but he does get goals and is good on the PP. I look forward to the days when Perreault, Briseboise, Audette, Dykhuis and Traverse are gone!

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What good is 30 goals if your a -14? Perreault is brutal in his own end, but he does get goals and is good on the PP. I look forward to the days when Perreault, Briseboise, Audette, Dykhuis and Traverse are gone!
Let's hope for a trade sending all of these guys away from Montreal. That would be one the greatest day in the Montreal Canadiens history, IMO!

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One good thing that I would like to see is pairing Perreault with Sundstrom. Sundstrom is the kind of player who would suit perfecly with Perreault style of play, more responsable on defensive and Perreault more on the offense.

Perreault is one of the best second center of the league, for his faceoff skills as well as his scoring skills.

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What good is 30 goals if your a -14? Perreault is brutal in his own end, but he does get goals and is good on the PP. I look forward to the days when Perreault, Briseboise, Audette, Dykhuis and Traverse are gone!
Actually he was 'only' -11 for the season which happens to be his career worst season in that category. If there was any goodwill towards him left from the anti-Perreault crusaders, that could partially explained by his late season injury&slump after. And he did have 7+6 points on pp that dont show on plusminus - and managed to be -3 on his (more or less healthy) first season with Habs. But I guess that was because he had such a good linemates at the time...

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One good thing that I would like to see is pairing Perreault with Sundstrom. Sundstrom is the kind of player who would suit perfecly with Perreault style of play, more responsable on defensive and Perreault more on the offense.

Perreault is one of the best second center of the league, for his faceoff skills as well as his scoring skills.
On paper they do seem to fit together like Lego pieces. Pure offensive type with two-way type. All they need would be another right winger who is aggressive to round out the line. Zednik Ryder and Ward would be best choises imo, in that order.

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I think people bash him so much because USUALLY great faceoff men are great defensive players as well. Perreault is sort of the opposite. He can win a faceoff but can he be relied up on in his own end late in a game when you're up by a goal? I think Darz is right, he's more suited to be a winger than a center but obviously he should take all of the faceoffs regardless.

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Perreault is one of the best second center of the league, for his faceoff skills as well as his scoring skills.
Perreault is one of the worst second liner center in this league. He doesn't bring half of what other second line centers can bring to a team. He played on the third line on the Leafs & the Kings and plays on the second line simply because our other centers aren't good enough. He usually gets third line center ice + PP since you don't want to see him get destroyed against the opponent's top 2 line. Here's a list of current 2nd line center I would take over Perreault:

Cassels, Bonk, Morrison, Arnott, Rolston, Drury, Holik, Gomez, Nedved, Stumpel, Datsyuk, Lang, Damphousse, Nylander, Conroy, Rucchin, Langkow, York, Legwand etc.




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Actually he was 'only' -11 for the season which happens to be his career worst season in that category. If there was any goodwill towards him left from the anti-Perreault crusaders, that could partially explained by his late season injury&slump after. And he did have 7+6 points on pp that dont show on plusminus - and managed to be -3 on his (more or less healthy) first season with Habs. But I guess that was because he had such a good linemates at the time...
Good god, you don't have to look at statistics to know that Perreault doesn't play defense. Like it or not, Perreault is an offensive and faceoff specialist at this point. ALL the other parts of his game are average AT BEST. When on a cold streak (since Perreault is a streaky player), he is a liability on ice and a player you don't want to see besides if there's an important faceoff to take. He is slow, doesn't play a physical game nor a two-way game.

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All they need would be another right winger who is aggressive to round out the line. Zednik Ryder and Ward would be best choises imo, in that order.
I would add Kilger and Hossa to your list.

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I agree and i'd just like to say ALOT of hab fans here bash Perreault and keep saying we gotta get rid of this guy but i just don't understand it.

I mean you have role players, there are guys who are there to score, defend, hit, and play gritty etc.

Perreault isn't here for his physical hitting and etc. His job is to score goals and he gets 20+ a year atleast, he has nice hands and i don't understand why people bash him so much?!?
Because hockey is a TEAM sport. You can't have individuals that are "specialists" at specific aspects of the game and ignore every other dimension. Those mercenary types break systems if they can't develop their weaker aspects of their games.

Take a look at any contending club. Heck, any playoff-calibre club. Tell me how many players you see that are good solely at faceoffs and have a good shot. Or any that have two good attributes and are simply brutal defensively, in the corners, neutral zone, feeding the puck to their wingers, etcetera.

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Put him with defensive minded fowards then, see what happens..
The problem is the center position demands good defensive play. If you have a winger play the center position in the defensive end, it compromises the system, and still means Perreault is a liability in the defensive zone (covering the point, and in terms of pass reception). His lack of speed will also be exposed, as will his poor play along the boards.

There really is no solution to having a brutal defensive player. He's going to be brutal, and he will cause your team a lot of scoring chances against.

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[QUOTE=Saku K.]Cassels, Bonk, Morrison, Arnott, Rolston, Drury, Holik, Gomez, Nedved, Stumpel, Datsyuk, Lang, Damphousse, Nylander, Conroy, Rucchin, Langkow, York, Legwand etc.QUOTE]

I have ranked those players for their average points par minute based on last season stats for your pleasure. You'll see that Perreault is in 9th place, and he had a bad season last year. Datsyuk is one impressive player!


Rank- Player name, gp - pts - average pts per game - average time on ice - average pts per minute

1- Datsyuk, 64 - 51 - .797 - 14:55 - .053
2- Lang, 82 - 69 - .841 - 18:36 - .045
3- Bonk: 70 - 54 - .771 - 17:27 - .044
4- Gomez, 80 - 55 - .688 - 16:00 - .043
4- Cassels: 79 - 68 - .861 - 19:51 - .043
6- Nylander, 80 - 60 - .750 - 18:03 - .042
7- Morrison, 82 - 71 - .866 - 21:08 - .041
8- Arnott, 72 - 47 - .653 - 16:11 - .040
9- Perreault, 73 - 46 - .630 - 16:05 - .039
9- Damphousse, 82 - 61 - .744 - 19:09 - .039
9- Legwand, 64 - 48 - .750 - 19:14 - .039
12- Conroy, 79 - 59 - .747 - 19:32 - .038
12- York (Mike), 71 - 51 - .718 - 19:04 - .038
14- Rolston, 81 - 59 - .738 - 20:04 - .037
14- Nedved, 78 - 58 - .744 - 20:20 - .037
16- Stumpel, 78 - 51 - .654 - 18:06 - .036
16- Drury, 80 - 53 - .663 - 18:21 - .036
18- Rucchin, 82 - 58 - .707 - 21:04 - .034
19- Holik, 64 - 35 - .547 - 18:06 - .030
19- Langkow, 82 - 52 - .634 - 21:00 - .030

Still think Perreault sucks?

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Cassels, Bonk, Morrison, Arnott, Rolston, Drury, Holik, Gomez, Nedved, Stumpel, Datsyuk, Lang, Damphousse, Nylander, Conroy, Rucchin, Langkow, York, Legwand etc.QUOTE]

I have ranked those players for their average points par minute based on last season stats for your pleasure. You'll see that Perreault is in 9th place, and he had a bad season last year. Datsyuk is one impressive player!
Audette had 71 points in 64 games in his career year. Koivu had 71 points in 82 games in his career year. Still think Koivu is better than Audette?

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Audette had 71 points in 64 games in his career year. Koivu had 71 points in 82 games in his career year. Still think Koivu is better than Audette?
In fact it was 78 pts in 76 games for Audette career hi (you didn't count Buf games) but I don't have the average time on ice so I can't calculate average pts per minute...But lets compare both on last season:

Koivu, 82 - 71 - .866 - 19:14 - .045
Audette, 54 - 23 - .426 - 15:29 - .028

Audette was far behind Koivu last season...

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In fact it was 78 pts in 76 games for Audette career hi (you didn't count Buf games) but I don't have the average time on ice so I can't calculate average pts per minute... But lets compare both on last season:

Koivu, 82 - 71 - .866 - 19:14 - .045
Audette, 54 - 23 - .426 - 15:29 - .028

Audette was far behind Koivu last season...
You compared Perreault to those players based on points in one season. I did the same. See how ridiculous it is now?

Ray Ferraro has two seasons that were more productive offensively than Koivu's career year. Think he's better than Koivu?

As soon as you start comparing statistics to make your point that Perreault is a good second line center, the discussion becomes ridiculous. Perreault also put up more points than Mike Peca or John Madden, both of which are far superior to Perreault. Points are one out of many aspects that make a hockey player. No one's arguing that Perreault is poor at racking up the points.

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Cassels, Bonk, Morrison, Arnott, Rolston, Drury, Holik, Gomez, Nedved, Stumpel, Datsyuk, Lang, Damphousse, Nylander, Conroy, Rucchin, Langkow, York, Legwand etc.

...stats...


Still think Perreault sucks?

Yes. Perrault really sucks as a #2 center. I'd take all these centers miles ahead of Perrault because they play DEFENSE, which is as important as offence in today's game. We could make cases about Nylander, Datsyuk, Lang and Stumpel, but please don't tell me you'd take Perrault over these four...

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You compared Perreault to those players based on points in one season. I did the same. See how ridiculous it is now?

Ray Ferraro has two seasons that were more productive offensively than Koivu's career year. Think he's better than Koivu?

As soon as you start comparing statistics to make your point that Perreault is a good second line center, the discussion becomes ridiculous. Perreault also put up more points than Mike Peca or John Madden, both of which are far superior to Perreault. Points are one out of many aspects that make a hockey player. No one's arguing that Perreault is poor at racking up the points.
You talk about some season that are not the same year, I can say that The Rocket Richard is better than Koivu if you dare. I talk about present time, as Saku K. was talking about. Bringing old stats of players who had great season doesn't make sense to me, sorry.

And yes, points is not the only matter. But you must agree that a player who makes more points within the same time may have more offensive skills, right? Maybe his lack of defensive play is not that bad considering he is good on offense and he wins face off (the best). This guy is valuable and you don't see it, like many others but I do.

Remember that the main goal of a player is to score goals, so points do matter.

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Cassels, Bonk, Morrison, Arnott, Rolston, Drury, Holik, Gomez, Nedved, Stumpel, Datsyuk, Lang, Damphousse, Nylander, Conroy, Rucchin, Langkow, York, Legwand etc.QUOTE]

I have ranked those players for their average points par minute based on last season stats for your pleasure. You'll see that Perreault is in 9th place, and he had a bad season last year. Datsyuk is one impressive player!


Rank- Player name, gp - pts - average pts per game - average time on ice - average pts per minute

1- Datsyuk, 64 - 51 - .797 - 14:55 - .053
2- Lang, 82 - 69 - .841 - 18:36 - .045
3- Bonk: 70 - 54 - .771 - 17:27 - .044
4- Gomez, 80 - 55 - .688 - 16:00 - .043
4- Cassels: 79 - 68 - .861 - 19:51 - .043
6- Nylander, 80 - 60 - .750 - 18:03 - .042
7- Morrison, 82 - 71 - .866 - 21:08 - .041
8- Arnott, 72 - 47 - .653 - 16:11 - .040
9- Perreault, 73 - 46 - .630 - 16:05 - .039
9- Damphousse, 82 - 61 - .744 - 19:09 - .039
9- Legwand, 64 - 48 - .750 - 19:14 - .039
12- Conroy, 79 - 59 - .747 - 19:32 - .038
12- York (Mike), 71 - 51 - .718 - 19:04 - .038
14- Rolston, 81 - 59 - .738 - 20:04 - .037
14- Nedved, 78 - 58 - .744 - 20:20 - .037
16- Stumpel, 78 - 51 - .654 - 18:06 - .036
16- Drury, 80 - 53 - .663 - 18:21 - .036
18- Rucchin, 82 - 58 - .707 - 21:04 - .034
19- Holik, 64 - 35 - .547 - 18:06 - .030
19- Langkow, 82 - 52 - .634 - 21:00 - .030

Still think Perreault sucks?
I what ROLSTON!!!!!!

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You talk about some season that are not the same year, I can say that The Rocket Richard is better than Koivu if you dare. I talk about present time, as Saku K. was talking about. Bringing old stats of players who had great season doesn't make sense to me, sorry.
No, I talked about the same year when I said Perreault racked up more points than Peca and Madden last year. Do you think Perreault is better than those two?

Do you not understand the point I'm making, even if you disagree with the examples? The point that statistics are one of many different aspects of being a hockey player?

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No, I talked about the same year when I said Perreault racked up more points than Peca and Madden last year. Do you think Perreault is better than those two?

Do you not understand the point I'm making, even if you disagree with the examples? The point that statistics are one of many different aspects of being a hockey player?
In some ways yes Perreault is better than those two. They aren't the same type of players, you should have compare them to Juneau or Sundstrom. Perreault have his limits, as for Peca and Madden.

Stats are facts, maybe not the only aspect of the game, but surely one clear thing to look at.

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And yes, points is not the only matter. But you must agree that a player who makes more points within the same time may have more offensive skills, right? Maybe his lack of defensive play is not that bad considering he is good on offense and he wins face off (the best). This guy is valuable and you don't see it, like many others but I do.

Remember that the main goal of a player is to score goals, so points do matter.
No, I disagree. Perreault racks up more points because he ignores the defensive aspects of the game. Madden and Peca rack up less points because they focus on the defensive aspects of the game.

There is not a main goal of a player. That's the mindset that results in Perreault being a poor system player. If there is a 'main goal' it should be that they're not a liability to their team; that they're capable of playing the team's system and being productive from within it. If they can't play the system, then they're compromising the system and we see it break down as we have many times over the past few years.

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