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02-22-2013, 04:55 PM
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2- He's 8th in the league in goals this year. Were they by accident?
I am the biggest fan of Matt, I just think that when he gets going he can be great and not a toll on that line (with JT carrying him). It is also obvious to me that Moulson can be a schlub on that line and JT can and will carry him no questions asked. Not that is right or excusable.
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Grabner wasn't the same player for some reason last year as he was 2 seasons ago and this year, but you make good points. If you watch the OT goal, he made a hell of a one touch hard pass right on JT's stick as he was motoring over the blue line. Was beautiful to see. Got me thinking.

I'm all for giving Bailey a shot, but I'd also like to see Grabner-Neilsen-Bailey as someone mentioned last night.

Can't believe Ullstrom rode the bench the past 2 games. He could go in the corners and create some room on the top line but maybe just not yet. Would love to see a 5 game experiment.
Grabner had his sophomore slump last year. He is better and I don't expect him to go into a slump any time soon. If only he could be marginally better on his breakaways and on the shootout, even that little more (percentage better) might have gotten the Isles more points this early season. Think of the few games this season.

Oh and I am all for Grabs-Nielsen-Bail-bonds man

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Grabner wasn't the same player for some reason last year as he was 2 seasons ago and this year, but you make good points. If you watch the OT goal, he made a hell of a one touch hard pass right on JT's stick as he was motoring over the blue line. Was beautiful to see. Got me thinking.
Ahhh, but is the Grabner we see now the Grabner of his rookie year???

I beg to differ and here's why.

He started off with something like 4-2-6 in his first 5 games or so. Good, right? Better than last season?

The thing is, after the lockout, just about every player who was active during the lockout had a natural head start over the other players who were not regularly partaking in games, much less pro games in established leagues.

Seeing that his play since that somewhat torrid start has tailed off considerably, I have no choice but to say (what I feared, because anyone can look at his many all-round deficiencies and realize this) that the Grabner of last season is the real Grabner.

We can't let that little post-lockout start fool us.

I wish the advantage he had through his game-readiness fitness would have lasted 10 games or more instead of just of 5, but it hasn't.

As I wrote in another post recently, this current team will have no sustained success unless Grabner and Okposso are - in addition to what the first line produces - chipping in at a 0.5 PPG pace. And they need to do that primarily 5-on-5 because they're not getting those points on special teams.

Ain't happening. We're 28th in 5-on-5 scoring. We're again on the outside looking in with respect to the playoff picture.

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As things are, we are realistically looking at the season ending with JT having 50 some points, Moulson say 45-50 and Boyes say 40. After that, Streit will likely come in 4th with 30. MAYBE Nielsen gets just over 25. Leaning on Redbull's points about the offense above, do we realistically see ANY other forward (much less player) even getting 20 points? I'm not talking pace in whole, but rather when we look at the 'real' Islanders over the past 10-12 some games where even the non-lockout-active players are now up and running.

It's looking real bleak.

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Grabner had his sophomore slump last year. He is better and I don't expect him to go into a slump any time soon. If only he could be marginally better on his breakaways and on the shootout, even that little more (percentage better) might have gotten the Isles more points this early season. Think of the few games this season.

Oh and I am all for Grabs-Nielsen-Bail-bonds man
I wouldn't mind that line either, especially considering it ended last season well and, to be honest, hasn't been tried yet this year.

But we've gotta get away from thinking Grabner only had a sophomore slump last season.

Just look at how he plays and how few real offensive chances his play allows him to have, or generate. See my point in my previous post, as the difference between his quick post-lockout start and the past 10-12 games is disturbing and directly in line with our downward trend.

And I'm not sure what you mean about not going into a slump anytime soon? After 6 points in the first 5 or 6 games, he's had 3 in the next 11 or 12 and one of those goals was a bit of a fluky thing in the waning moments of a 5-1 victory.

I'd say he's pretty much in the midst of a slump as we speak. I fear however that it's less of a slump and more of his reality. The guy is a streaky 20 goal, 35 point man (over an 82 game season) who could be of real good use to a team that is already well-constructed and has two solid and productive scoring lines (say San Jose, Chicago, St. Louis, etc.). Plug Grabner in on a 3rd line and as a PK specialist with those prerequisites and he can be a FINE and dangerous extra piece to a winner's puzzle.

That's who and what he is.

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Ahhh, but is the Grabner we see now the Grabner of his rookie year???

I beg to differ and here's why.

He started off with something like 4-2-6 in his first 5 games or so. Good, right? Better than last season?

The thing is, after the lockout, just about every player who was active during the lockout had a natural head start over the other players who were not regularly partaking in games, much less pro games in established leagues.

Seeing that his play since that somewhat torrid start has tailed off considerably, I have no choice but to say (what I feared, because anyone can look at his many all-round deficiencies and realize this) that the Grabner of last season is the real Grabner.

We can't let that little post-lockout start fool us.

I wish the advantage he had through his game-readiness fitness would have lasted 10 games or more instead of just of 5, but it hasn't.

As I wrote in another post recently, this current team will have no sustained success unless Grabner and Okposso are - in addition to what the first line produces - chipping in at a 0.5 PPG pace. And they need to do that primarily 5-on-5 because they're not getting those points on special teams.

Ain't happening. We're 28th in 5-on-5 scoring. We're again on the outside looking in with respect to the playoff picture.

Scoring:
As things are, we are realistically looking at the season ending with JT having 50 some points, Moulson say 45-50 and Boyes say 40. After that, Streit will likely come in 4th with 30. MAYBE Nielsen gets just over 25. Leaning on Redbull's points about the offense above, do we realistically see ANY other forward (much less player) even getting 20 points? I'm not talking pace in whole, but rather when we look at the 'real' Islanders over the past 10-12 some games where even the non-lockout-active players are now up and running.

It's looking real bleak.
They could make those points more meaningful by improving their ability to prevent goals. If I am the GM of a normal team that would be my next priority. That would start with making changes so we don't have to start the season with every game against physical clubs an automatic loss.

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