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02-28-2013, 05:01 PM
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Flames ownership wants to win games without rebuilding... Adding a 21 year old Selke threat for two picks is brilliant.

they may have added there number 1 C for the next decade with this move
The problem is what do they have beyond ROR and Baertchi (assuming Col doesn't match)?

ROR is a hell of a player, but that organization is a joke. They need to build from within instead of always trading there draft picks.

ROR is great, but Calgary needs to build from within.

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02-28-2013, 05:02 PM
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So the 6.5m QO rule also applies to Calgary too right? Assuming this offersheet goes through.

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Flames ownership wants to win games without rebuilding... Adding a 21 year old Selke threat for two picks is brilliant.

they may have added there number 1 C for the next decade with this move
They can't just fill 1 whole to become good

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So the 6.5m QO rule also applies to Calgary too right? Assuming this offersheet goes through.
Yup.. so they essentially have to overpay or let him walk.

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02-28-2013, 05:05 PM
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If a 1st + 3rd was the compensation, then I'm surprised strong teams didn't offer the same. Qualifying offer at the end of contract would be trouble I suppose for strong teams close to cap.

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The problem is what do they have beyond ROR and Baertchi (assuming Col doesn't match)?

ROR is a hell of a player, but that organization is a joke. They need to build from within instead of always trading there draft picks.

ROR is great, but Calgary needs to build from within.
I like Cervenka, Hudler, and Cammaleri.

Outside of those guys not much, and even less youth

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Who sends a qualifying offer to a guy who makes 5M plus?

Plan is to sign him longterm I assume

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They can't just fill 1 whole to become good
no but they have a fringe playoff team and this will project them to a lower end playoff team off the batt and it's still a better deal then what Toronto gave for Kessel.

very aggressive very smart IMO.

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I like Cervenka, Hudler, and Cammaleri.

Outside of those guys not much, and even less youth
Those guys are nice pieces for sure. Not exactly a great 'core' though.

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Who sends a qualifying offer to a guy who makes 5M plus?

Plan is to sign him longterm I assume
They will need a new captain when Iginla goes/retires

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If a 1st + 3rd was the compensation, then I'm surprised strong teams didn't offer the same. Qualifying offer at the end of contract would be trouble I suppose for strong teams close to cap.
I'm guessing ROR's agent was pushing for the big 2nd year all along before ROR would sign one, since the threat of the huge QO makes it really unlikely that Colorado would match

And it's also likely that no teams wanted to handicap their cap space by locking themselves into paying a 2nd line center 7m in 2years.

Except, apparently, Calgary. Though it's not so bad for them, since right now they have by far the worst center depth in the league. Jankowski notwithstanding.

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The problem is what do they have beyond ROR and Baertchi (assuming Col doesn't match)?

ROR is a hell of a player, but that organization is a joke. They need to build from within instead of always trading there draft picks.

ROR is great, but Calgary needs to build from within.
Look at this as step 1

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02-28-2013, 05:09 PM
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They can't just fill 1 whole to become good
Which does not mean they shouldn't fill this hole now while they can with someone who is still young enough to be a core piece in any future rebuild. A good move for them.

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Would we have the cap space to make an offer at Perry?
.....We could put in an offer on the CBJ entire roster and have the room...

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02-28-2013, 05:11 PM
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Look at this as step 1
I just hate Calgary with every ounce of by body. I know why they did it. Get a proven player rather then go with the unproven prospect, but sooner or later they are going to have to build from within. They're doing the Brian Burke thing and nothing pisses me off more then that.

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02-28-2013, 05:13 PM
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Awesome move by Feaster, he's the perfect fit for Calgary, exactly what they need.

The Flames are quickly becoming a favourite of mine, love their no-tanking, never give up attitude.

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02-28-2013, 05:15 PM
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I just hate Calgary with every ounce of by body. I know why they did it. Get a proven player rather then go with the unproven prospect, but sooner or later they are going to have to build from within. They're doing the Brian Burke thing and nothing pisses me off more then that.
Honestly they are also just not the best drafters either.

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02-28-2013, 05:15 PM
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I just hate Calgary with every ounce of by body. I know why they did it. Get a proven player rather then go with the unproven prospect, but sooner or later they are going to have to build from within. They're doing the Brian Burke thing and nothing pisses me off more then that.
RoR is 22. He is not 32.

It is a good move to build around a player. If they lose their 1st, they have Kipper, Cammy, Iggy, Jaybo, Tangy etc etc they can trade for prospects. They could get their rebuild off and running faster than they would by using picks.

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02-28-2013, 05:16 PM
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The flames make such a smart move. I was curious why no one made an offer sheet at the maximum for a 1st and a 3rd. The massive jump for the QO is a brilliant move. I can't see how Colorado is going to be able to match unless they want to deal with a huge issue in two years.

Lower price than Turris...

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02-28-2013, 05:18 PM
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The Flames finally make a good move!

I love the aggressive play.

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RoR is 22. He is not 32.

It is a good move to build around a player. If they lose their 1st, they have Kipper, Cammy, Iggy, Jaybo, Tangy etc etc they can trade for prospects. They could get their rebuild off and running faster than they would by using picks.
We'll see.

Feaster hasn't exactly given me much to have faith in.

Hopefully this is the move that gets Calgary going in the right direction, but I have little to no faith that it will.

A lot of there moves haven't worked out like they hoped they would: Jokinen, Bouwmeester, Cammalleri (2nd time), Tanguay, etc.

ROR will probably change that trend, but then again, who knows.

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02-28-2013, 05:22 PM
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I just hate Calgary with every ounce of by body. I know why they did it. Get a proven player rather then go with the unproven prospect, but sooner or later they are going to have to build from within. They're doing the Brian Burke thing and nothing pisses me off more then that.
Unless I'm forgetting something, the only deal that Burke made in TO to compare with this would be the Kessel trade. Major assets for an emerging/bankable star. A bad deal but Kessel remains a damn fine player. Calgary is potentially giving up far, far less than Toronto did to get their shiny new toy.

It's not like they're complete garbage this year either. If they succeed here, I doubt they'd be giving up a top 10 pick when all is said and done.

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02-28-2013, 05:22 PM
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Calgary is gonna regret it if ROR doesn't help them stop sucking.
If the worst case scenario happens, and the team is one of the worst in the league, they still have a 21 year old Selke nominee who can put up 50P a season. If I were picking in the top 3 and a guy like Barkov or Monahan turned into such a player, I would be thrilled.

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02-28-2013, 05:26 PM
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The Flames could do the quickest rebuild ever.

Successfully offer sheet RoR
Trade Iginla at trade deadline for a 1st + good forward prospect + young roster player

Under the new CBA teams can hold on to portion of the salary cap.
J-Bo 6.66 make him a 4.0 defensemen and move for huge return (1st + young roster player + good forward prospect)
Kipper 5.3 make a 3.0 goalie and move for solid return (1st)
Cammy 6.0 make him a 4.0 center and move for solid return (1st + good forward prospect)

Team adds RoR + 3 1st round picks + 3 good prospects + two young roster players

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If the worst case scenario happens, and the team is one of the worst in the league, they still have a 21 year old Selke nominee who can put up 50P a season. If I were picking in the top 3 and a guy like Barkov or Monahan turned into such a player, I would be thrilled.
Except those guys will take up much less cap space than ROR, and will also hit their prime at a better time for the organization.

This trade will end up as a lesser version of the Kessel trade, except hopefully not as worse because they only gave up one lottery pick instead of two.

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The Flames could do the quickest rebuild ever.

Successfully offer sheet RoR
Trade Iginla at trade deadline for a 1st + good forward prospect + young roster player

Under the new CBA teams can hold on to portion of the salary cap.
J-Bo 6.66 make him a 4.0 defensemen and move for huge return (1st + young roster player + good forward prospect)
Kipper 5.3 make a 3.0 goalie and move for solid return (1st)
Cammy 6.0 make him a 4.0 center and move for solid return (1st + good forward prospect)

Team adds RoR + 3 1st round picks + 3 good prospects + two young roster players
What? How exactly does giving up a top 3 pick help a rebuild?

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