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Greatest Chicago Championship Team Ever

View Poll Results: Greatest Chicago Championship Team
2010 Hawks 10 19.23%
05 White Sox 4 7.69%
98 Bulls 2 3.85%
97 Bulls 1 1.92%
96 Bulls 18 34.62%
93 Bulls 0 0%
92 Bulls 0 0%
91 Bulls 0 0%
85 Bears 13 25.00%
2017 Cubs 4 7.69%
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02-21-2013, 06:33 PM
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Also gotta take into account the attention that 96 Bulls team got

Not only did you have the greatest ever (MJ) who was huge star worldwide but you also had Rodman/Pippen and at time basketball was growing at tremendous pace worldwide

With 96 Olympics set to be in Atlanta the talk was dream team II all year as well and MJ not taking part

Added to attention Bulls received especially with Pippen returning to US Dream Team

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02-21-2013, 06:43 PM
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NBA was at its strongest during Bulls dynasty. You want to talk about talent pool being thin that was the 80's when you had a few superpower teams and no one to stop them

95-96 Bulls went thru 4 strong teams in run to finals

round 1 vs Heat (42-40) = Mourning + Hardaway stars but they were no match and were swept

round 2 vs Kniicks (47-35) = Longtime foes were no match for Bulls bowing out in 5 games. Knicks with Ewing , Oakley , Mason , Starks , etc were one of the best defensive teams in NBA thru 90's

Conf finals vs Magic (60-22) = Bulls swept the 3rd best team in NBA that season. Shaq , Hardaway , Anderon and Grant the star faces on that Magic squad

Finals vs Sonics (64-18) = Bulls won in 6 games vs the 2nd best team in NBA that season. The Sonics had 2 star players (Payton and Kemp) and a solid supporting cast

The Heat was actually viewed as potential trouble matchup for Bulls that year because it was Riley's 1st year in Miami and Hardaway who missed most of regular season was ready for playoffs

The 90's saw Bulls fight there way thru various deep teams such as Jazz , Pacers , Knicks , Trailblazers , Suns , etc

It truly was the last golden age for NBA... And players back then could actually play defense

No constant whistles/flops
The bold is all irrelevant to the regular season. If the Bulls won 68 games no one would be talking about them as the greatest team of all time. The 1980s had Celtics and Lakers as the two best teams, but the Rockets, Suns, Sixers, and Pistons (in later years) were all strong teams. They just weren't as great as the Celtics and Lakers. There were also six less teams that could potentially have beaten them.

Not sure how that era is considered great defensively, team ppg was well above 100 and fg% was well into the .470= region for all of the 80s until the mid 90s. Scoring and fg% hav been really low since the late 90s.

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02-21-2013, 06:46 PM
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'96 Bulls were clearly the best of all these options, coming from someone who likes pretty much all sports. Generally speaking, anyone who doesn't vote for that team is either a Blackhawks homer or doesn't like/doesn't know basketball. Which is perfectly fine. But people who know and appreciate all the relevant sports here know which team was the best.

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02-21-2013, 06:49 PM
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The bold is all irrelevant to the regular season. If the Bulls won 68 games no one would be talking about them as the greatest team of all time. The 1980s had Celtics and Lakers as the two best teams, but the Rockets, Suns, Sixers, and Pistons (in later years) were all strong teams. They just weren't as great as the Celtics and Lakers. There were also six less teams that could potentially have beaten them.

Not sure how that era is considered great defensively, team ppg was well above 100 and fg% was well into the .470= region for all of the 80s until the mid 90s. Scoring and fg% hav been really low since the late 90s.
Do you have Ortg and Drtg handy for that period as well? You have to take pace into account.

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02-21-2013, 06:51 PM
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'96 Bulls were clearly the best of all these options, coming from someone who likes pretty much all sports. Generally speaking, anyone who doesn't vote for that team is either a Blackhawks homer or doesn't like/doesn't know basketball. Which is perfectly fine. But people who know and appreciate all the relevant sports here know which team was the best.
But the 85 Bears are widely regarded as the greatest and most dominate football team ever. They're in the running, that is certain.

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02-21-2013, 06:54 PM
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Do you have Ortg and Drtg handy for that period as well? You have to take pace into account.
I don't have Drtg but Ortg is in the 107-108 range from 83-96 except for 1993 at 106.3 It dipped after 96-1997 and didn't really recover til 2008-2009. This year it's at 105.

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But the 85 Bears are widely regarded as the greatest and most dominate football team ever. They're in the running, that is certain.
Sure, they're in the running, but they're not the #1 choice. The only team to ever put up 70 wins in NBA history, dispatching the two other best teams in the NBA en route to a championship... it's just a little more impressive.

Had the Bears gone undefeated, that team would have been truly transcendent, much like the '96 Bulls were. The choice would be much more difficult in that case.

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02-21-2013, 07:05 PM
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My favorite championship Chicago team was the 2010 Blackhawks.

The most fun team to watch was the 1985 Bears.

But that's not the question. The question is- what's the GREATEST team?

One of the characteristics of All-time great squads is- do it more than once. Reach the pinnacle again. Do something dynastic, even. And on that front, the Bulls win out.

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85 Bears had the best defense of all time, followed closely by the 96 Bulls. Even though I'm not a Sox fan, the 05 Sox had a hell of a playoff run.

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85 Bears and MJ's Bulls will always be remembered nationally and by Chicago media and be first mentioned when talking Chicago championships

Hawks and Sox will never get that love/attention

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85 Bears and MJ's Bulls will always be remembered nationally and by Chicago media and be first mentioned when talking Chicago championships

Hawks and Sox will never get that love/attention
If the Cubs ever win the World Series it would trump all that just because of the drought.

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The Sox didn't have the best record in baseball that year. The St. Louis Cardinals finished 100-62, one game better than the Sox. They had the best record in the AL, and would have had home field throughout the playoffs regardless of who they played in the World Series, but they fell just shy of the best record in MLB that year.
Even if the Cards got past Houston in that NLCS, the Sox still would've had home field advantage in that World Series. The AL won the All Star game that year.

I have to go with the 2010 Hawks...Can't pick anyone else, and that meant the most to me by far too.

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96 Bulls without a shadow of a doubt.

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85 bears or 96 bulls. Only two logical answers. Hopefully this year's Hawks team takes a piece of history.

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Sure, they're in the running, but they're not the #1 choice. The only team to ever put up 70 wins in NBA history, dispatching the two other best teams in the NBA en route to a championship... it's just a little more impressive.

Had the Bears gone undefeated, that team would have been truly transcendent, much like the '96 Bulls were. The choice would be much more difficult in that case.
I just think this is putting way to much emphasis on 1 regular season football game and 1 regular season basketball game (since if the Bulls won 69, this wouldn't be a discussion it seems). The Bears still dominated the playoffs way more than those Bulls did.

So many on this board last year threw away what the Hawks did in the regular season because 'only the playoffs matter'. Anybody who argued that who is arguing for the Bulls here is a hypocrite.

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I just think this is putting way to much emphasis on 1 regular season football game and 1 regular season basketball game (since if the Bulls won 69, this wouldn't be a discussion it seems). The Bears still dominated the playoffs way more than those Bulls did.

So many on this board last year threw away what the Hawks did in the regular season because 'only the playoffs matter'. Anybody who argued that who is arguing for the Bulls here is a hypocrite.
It's a lot easier to be dominant in the playoffs when you only have to play 3 games vs. a minimum of 12. Have to factor that in when comparing across these sports. By definition a Superbowl champion has to go undefeated in the playoffs to win it. An NBA team has to win four separate series of 7. They're quite different, and in the NBA you have a greater chance of losing a game simply because you have to play so many more.

Same reasoning applies to comparing winning percentages of '85 Bears and '96 Bulls during their two regular seasons. It's just silly. It's clear you don't follow the NBA, IU, and let's just leave it at that. There's nothing wrong with not following the league (we all like and dislike different things), but you can't fairly talk about the '96 Bulls if you don't have a clear and charitable grasp of the league they play in.

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I just think this is putting way to much emphasis on 1 regular season football game and 1 regular season basketball game (since if the Bulls won 69, this wouldn't be a discussion it seems). The Bears still dominated the playoffs way more than those Bulls did.

So many on this board last year threw away what the Hawks did in the regular season because 'only the playoffs matter'. Anybody who argued that who is arguing for the Bulls here is a hypocrite.
What if the Bears won 14?

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It's a lot easier to be dominant in the playoffs when you only have to play 3 games vs. a minimum of 12.
I'm too lazy to do a research, but has a team ever came close to the Bears point differential in their 3 games? That's the kind of domination I'm talking about.

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What if the Bears won 14?
They would go from no doubt one of the 3 greatest teams ever to somewhere still in the top 10, since there have been a good amount of 2 loss Super Bowl winners. I still might put them ahead of the Bulls, because I think that football is a harder game to dominate than basketball is when you have the greatest player ever and a number 2 guy who was also in the top 60-70 players ever.

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Don't know why the Jays would be included in this poll tbh
They're not, cause Price will be on the Northside in 2017.


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Biggest losers of the Jordan era were the Jazz. They would have rolled through anyone except the Bulls in 97-98.
I don't know the Pacers and the Knicks don't exactly feel like winners.

Hey why isn't the 1998 Chicago Fire not on this list?

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For me (non Bama championship order):

85 Bears/96 Bulls
2010 Hawks
the other 5 Bulls championship
2005 WS

But as mentioned, if/when the Cubs win the WS it will trump them all and it's not close.

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There's no reason anyone should objectively have the Hawks over the Sox here. Hawks were a minute away from being the brink of elimination in the 1st round, and only really dominated 1 series. Sox dominated all 3, had the best record in the AL, and never trailed in their division. It's a no contest.

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Solid arguments for the Bulls, 7 game playoff series vs 3 single elimination games for the Bears but facts remain where the Bears shutout both the Giants and Rams and held NE to negative yardage at halftime in Superbowl XX.

As far as I can remember, no Superbowl champion has shutout both opponents to get to the Superbowl much less dominated the championship game by that statistical margin.

While impressive, can it be said the Bulls uniquely dominated the playoff series either by score or series win percentage like no other team in the history of the NBA?

In the end though, its everyones personal preference.

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In the end though, its everyones personal preference.
And in the end, we have arguable the 2 greatest teams in the history of their leagues. Hard to complain about that.

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This is probably the correct ranking (if there is such a thing). It isn't just that the '85 Bears were the last Bears Superbowl winning team and that is why they are hyped up, their defense DOMINATED the NFL and the playoffs as few ever had. Their one regular season loss is a very rare thing too. They certainly belong near the top, but that '96 Bulls team....man...

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85 Bears and MJ's Bulls will always be remembered nationally and by Chicago media and be first mentioned when talking Chicago championships

Hawks and Sox will never get that love/attention
Hawks are certainly getting there in recent years in the Rocky Wirtz era. Sox...ain't gonna happen. They will always be in the shadow of the Cubs. And if the Cubs ever win the World Series in my lifetime...they will be the most remembered championship team, perhaps ever, regardless of how "dominant" they are in that future season.

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