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C/LW Jonathan Drouin - Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL (2013, 3rd overall, Tampa Bay) II

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05-26-2013, 12:10 PM
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If Drouin had 'Crosbys Vision' and 'Datsyuks Hands' he'd not only be going 1st overall, but he'd be considered a Generational Talent.

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I actually think Drouin has better hands.
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If Drouin had 'Crosbys Vision' and 'Datsyuks Hands' he'd not only be going 1st overall, but he'd be considered a Generational Talent.
The second quote pretty much sums up all the overrating that is going on with Drouin. The kid is good, dont get me wrong, but like WasTeD said, if he had tools as good as Datsyuk and Crosby, he would no doubt be the top overall pick, and talked about in the same sentence as those superstars.

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The second quote pretty much sums up all the overrating that is going on with Drouin. The kid is good, dont get me wrong, but like WasTeD said, if he had tools as good as Datsyuk and Crosby, he would no doubt be the top overall pick, and talked about in the same sentence as those superstars.
Over-rating?

CHL player of the year, QMJHL player of the year, and QMJHL playoff MVP in his draft year. Highest Points per game average in the CHL. QMJHL champion. Memorial Cup champion or finalist.

Not much more u can achieve in one season for any CHL player.

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Over-rating?

CHL player of the year, QMJHL player of the year, and QMJHL playoff MVP in his draft year. Highest Points per game average in the CHL. QMJHL champion. Memorial Cup champion or finalist.

Not much more u can achieve in one season for any CHL player.
...yet he's not the #1 player in the draft (and the two players who are ranked above him are also in the CHL)...have you considered why that might be.

...and, yes...you are seriously overrating him. he's a great prospect, but your posts and the comparisons you are making are ridiculous.


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Over-rating?

CHL player of the year, QMJHL player of the year, and QMJHL playoff MVP in his draft year. Highest Points per game average in the CHL. QMJHL champion. Memorial Cup champion or finalist.

Not much more u can achieve in one season for any CHL player.
Yes, overrating! You are numero uno here at that.

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...yet he's not the #1 player in the draft (and the two players who are ranked above him are also in the CHL)...have you considered why that might be.

...and, yes...you are seriously overrating him. he's a great prospect, but you're posts and the comparisons you are making are ridiculous.
Serious overrating. He is a great prospect, but he is the most questionable of the top three, because of his quick rise to success, and his game in the NHL is the most questionable of the three.

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Serious overrating. He is a great prospect, but he is the most questionable of the top three, because of his quick rise to success, and his game in the NHL is the most questionable of the three.
That does not make him overrated.

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That does not make him overrated.
yes, but saying he's got "crosby's hands" and "datsyuk's vision" does.

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...yet he's not the #1 player in the draft (and the two players who are ranked above him are also in the CHL)...have you considered why that might be.

...and, yes...you are seriously overrating him. he's a great prospect, but you're posts and the comparisons you are making are ridiculous.
I dont think u give Drouin enough credit. Its alot closer between Mackinnon and Drouin than u think. Between Jones, Mackinnon and Drouin...Drouin has showed the most growth in his game over the last 2-3 years in my opinion. Something that bodes well for his future as his talent is trending upwards very fast, and surely its not a fluke.

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I dont think u give Drouin enough credit. Its alot closer between Mackinnon and Drouin than u think. I think Drouin is more dynamic and is going to be a better player down the road. At the same time, right handed skilled centerman are RARE.
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lol, drouin's a great prospect...maybe better than mackinnon at this point...but nothing about him justifies that kind of comparison.

...in any event, like i said drouin currently isn't as good a prospect as kane was by this point in his draft year. maybe drouin will end up a better player than kane...maybe not. but it would probably be better to wait until he's actually made it to the nhl to speculate like that.
I think I give Drouin more than enough credit. Telling you that your Crosby and Datsyuk comparisons are over the top isn't not giving him enough credit

He might well end up better than Mackinnon...his offensive ceiling is certainly higher, imo.

...but please let's try to keep things in perspective here when discussing him.

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yes, but saying he's got "crosby's hands" and "datsyuk's vision" does.
Other way around.
But yeah, the combination of Datsyuk's hands and Crosby's vision essentially creates the perfect offensive forward, and Drouin isn't Gretzky.

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Other way around.
But yeah, the combination of Datsyuk's hands and Crosby's vision essentially creates the perfect offensive forward, and Drouin isn't Gretzky.

But theres more to a prospect than just hands and vision.

What I think seperates the prospect crosby was from drouin is skating, upper body strength and shot. The key thing though is that these are things that can be worked on vs something innate like elite hockey sense which can't be taught. this why Drouin has such immense upside.

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But theres more to a prospect than just hands and vision.

What I think seperates the prospect crosby was from drouin is skating, upper body strength and shot. The key thing though is that these are things that can be worked on vs something innate like elite hockey sense which can't be taught. this why Drouin has such immense upside.
No one here is disputing that he's an amazing prospect. Some people are getting a bit crazy with descriptions of his game. A Crosby/Datsyuk highbrid would not go any lower then 1st.

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Just in time to read during 1st intermission, Drouin profile:

Jonathan Drouin – The Next Ones NHL 2013 Draft Prospect Profile
- Drouin: Maestro of the Halifax Mooseheads Orchestra


Coming soon to a NHL arena near you, conducting an ice symphony to the tune of blades on ice, composite sticks on rubber, rubber off iron and goal horns erupting in excitement – Jonathan Drouin.

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If Drouin had 'Crosbys Vision' and 'Datsyuks Hands' he'd not only be going 1st overall, but he'd be considered a Generational Talent.
So Robbie Schremp is a generational talent? The reason Drouin is considered to go #3 at the draft is because of size and strenght. The guy is small, not very physical and gives up the puck from time to time because he tries a lot of fancy dekes.

But the truth is Drouin's offensive vision, hockey sense, hands, playmaking abilities and overall offensive game are all just a 10/10 and definitely compares with Crosby or Datsyuk. Crosby and Dats definitely have a lot of other skills though that trumps Drouin. That's why.

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So Robbie Schremp is a generational talent? The reason Drouin is considered to go #3 at the draft is because of size and strenght. The guy is small, not very physical and gives up the puck from time to time because he tries a lot of fancy dekes.

But the truth is Drouin's offensive vision, hockey sense, hands, playmaking abilities and overall offensive game are all just a 10/10 and definitely compares with Crosby or Datsyuk. Crosby and Dats definitely have a lot of other skills though that trumps Drouin. That's why.
Schremp didn't have Crosby's vision lol. He had dirty hands, was able to score a lot in junior because of them and decent wheels but that was about it.

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From the times I've seen Drouin play, I've actually come away impressed by his physical play, which is not anywhere near his linemate MacKinnon's level, but I don't see him as soft. Personally, I see him as a comparable to Kane, but a player more committed to his personal performance, and a more of a willingness to get involved in the dirty areas of play.

His skating is definitely an area of concern, in that it's not a big strength, but his acceleration is very good and is very agile. His shot isn't hard, but it's accurate. Needs to continue to find the quiet areas and go to the net when the opportunity is there, because his hands will not translate into goals the same way it does in juniors.

But he has big time hockey sense and hands. Personally, I think he's getting underrated. In a lesser draft, he would go number one. A team will pick MacKinnon over Drouin in the same vein that any team would pick Toews over Kane for their club 99/100 times.

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His defense can definitely use some work. A pretty bad turn over tonight again

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Interesting read for those interested in advanced stats analysis:

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrh...191115890.html

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Drouin's skating is the reason he isnt on that generational talent level. His shot is also somewhat average. If you look at generational talents like Crosby, Datsyuk, Ovechkin and Malkin the thing that stands out is that offensively they have no weaknesses: shot, skating, passing ability, stick handling.

Drouin is first class in any league at the latter two, but for the first two he is average

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So Robbie Schremp is a generational talent? The reason Drouin is considered to go #3 at the draft is because of size and strenght. The guy is small, not very physical and gives up the puck from time to time because he tries a lot of fancy dekes.

But the truth is Drouin's offensive vision, hockey sense, hands, playmaking abilities and overall offensive game are all just a 10/10 and definitely compares with Crosby or Datsyuk. Crosby and Dats definitely have a lot of other skills though that trumps Drouin. That's why.
That's why he'll go third. He doesn't play a pro game yet, MacKinnon and Jones do. His size and strenght wouldn't be big issues if he was playing a pro style game. He isn't that small in height and what he lacks in weight can be gained via a strong training regimen. It isn't really a concern. His ability to adapt his game to the pro level IS the real concern.

For example, in the second period today, he constantly tried to enter the zone with fancy dekes instead of taking what the defense was giving him. Often, they weren't giving him anything so he should have dumped the puck and let MacKinnon work his magic in the corners. Instead, he caused many turnover by trying time and time again to deke the defense at the blueline. It could have cost the Moosheads big time.

That being said, his vision is unreal and he has great hands. I do agree that he has a vision of the game that can rival Crosby's. However, he doesn't play the game the way Sid does - Sid plays a "fourth liner game" with a lot of skills (weird, I know, but you guys understand). He is a very smart player (his passes in the o-zone show that), but he needs to adapt his game in order to succeed, if he doesn't, he'll bust hard. D-man won't be beaten as easily at the pro level.

MacKinnon and Jones are safer picks with almost as high an upside as Drouin, that's why they will go before Jonathan.

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Drouin is an assist machine, which is why he'll be perfect for TB to pair up with Stamkos soon enough.

As far as better than MacKinnon...no.

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Drouin is an assist machine, which is why he'll be perfect for TB to pair up with Stamkos soon enough.

As far as better than MacKinnon...no.
If TB can find a power forward to put with Drouin and Stamkos, it'll be a VERY VERY VERY dominant line. If Drouin learns to make the smart play, that is

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If I remember correctly, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins was very similar to Drouin terms of fancy dekes and stripping the puck from opponents. He was not known for his goal scoring ability in the juniors but was an amazing playmaker. Still went 1st overall. Yes Drouin should know when to pull off his fancy dekes, but he will learn in time and at the pro levels he will be well surrounded.

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